mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Dagger wrote:Amare fanboys are too funny, you guys talk about this guy like he's still a star athlete, he hasn't been relevant for years. If you took a poll asking coaches around the nba who the top 10 PF's in the game are amare's name would not come up. What we can hope for is an efficient bench player that doesn't pass and plays horrendous defense, but can hopefully give us a bit of inside scoring and decent rebounding. Amare's nba days are numbered and his act is stale. We can talk about his glory days until the cows come home, but that's not the player we have had the past 3 seasons.

who on this site is an Amare fanboy? Im hoping we get what we got last year. That would be huge. Why did we finish 16-5?

Amar'e really only has had issues with his health as opposed to his skills. In terms of his ability to be productive he's been one of the most efficient players for his entire career. His career TS% is 59.7%. In NY his avg TS% is 57.2%

2011 56.5%
2012 54.1%
2013 63.7%
2014 59.6%

Keeping Amar'e healthy is the only real issue. He can still play. With so many other bigs, they can try to keep Amar'e fresh all year.

His defense, turnovers and his usg -> assist ratio are the issues. Not TS. Please lets not continue to tout his TS and ignore everything else.

The point wasn't to ignore his flaws, but to point out that he's still been able to do what he was KNOWN MOST for which was his efficient scoring acumen. He was an All Star because of his scoring and not his passing and defense. His scoring was very efficient and so much so that often he was the best shot on the floor. Of course we want him to be a better passer this year especially in the Triangle offense where he'll have more opportunities to do that. But the fact that he still has his offensive skills is a HUGE part of his worth to this team. He used to be part of teams that won a lot of games flaws and all. If STAT is able to give this team highly efficient post scoring that is a huge plus. He'll be expected to make the right pass and do his job on D, but if he's not able to score he won't be on the floor. In the end we have a lot of other bigs who can make it easier for STAT since he won't have to log heavy minutes.

Though I think that the Stat signing was one of the dumbest monumental disasters, I like him and root for him to succeed. He is not a smart bball player and is limited outside of a PnR scorer, so I don't see him being that good in the triangle in which you need quick smart passes (which he is awful at imho).

He has had a great 15 footer at points in his career and I hope we can leverage that next year.

Either way, I think that what he does next year is quite meaningless since it is a rebuilding year and there is pretty much zero chance that he will return.

I don't give him credit for coming here (when no one else would) since we overpaid him 40 million for it. No sainthood act there ...

Lets hope he has a successful season and he goes out feeling good about himself.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amare will play over 60 games and average close to 28 minutes. Just a hunch but I think his knee issues are behind him for the most part kind of like mcdyess. He'll probably sit out for maintenance a few games but will be otherwise clean.

TS% above 60 and 8 rebs is what I'm looking for. Just a hunch.

What do you predict for his RPM's?

Hopefully better then #425 out of 430 players.

I don't know probably not good but I am not sold on RPM just yet

I am not sold on it either but it certainly arches a brow.

It does but its just one stat.

Side note do you visit APBR forums?

No I don't - please enlighten me.

They describe the board as "The discussion of the analysis of basketball through objective evidence, especially basketball statistics." since you seem like a metrics guy I thought you might like that board.

http://apbr.org/metrics/viewforum.php?f=2

Great! i will check it out.

ramtour420 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Dagger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Dagger wrote:Amare fanboys are too funny, you guys talk about this guy like he's still a star athlete, he hasn't been relevant for years. If you took a poll asking coaches around the nba who the top 10 PF's in the game are amare's name would not come up. What we can hope for is an efficient bench player that doesn't pass and plays horrendous defense, but can hopefully give us a bit of inside scoring and decent rebounding. Amare's nba days are numbered and his act is stale. We can talk about his glory days until the cows come home, but that's not the player we have had the past 3 seasons.

who on this site is an Amare fanboy? Im hoping we get what we got last year. That would be huge. Why did we finish 16-5?

You are definitely one! There's no shame in it!

I am an Amar'e fanboy and I'm not ashamed to admit it!

+1

+1

TripleThreat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amare will play over 60 games and average close to 28 minutes. Just a hunch but I think his knee issues are behind him for the most part kind of like mcdyess. He'll probably sit out for maintenance a few games but will be otherwise clean.

TS% above 60 and 8 rebs is what I'm looking for. Just a hunch.

With usage of your projected 28 minutes per game, STAT would be injured about 8-9 games into that experiment, considering back to backs.

STAT is not a player who has aged well or put in the work to age well. He's a 12-15 minute a night reserve big now who can still give you some pick up offense, but needs to be hidden defensively. My guess is STAT headlines the 2nd unit and gets paired with Smith in the front court. I doubt he will be a critical factor in the 4th quarter of any game.

Something that I think a lot of fans don't consider is that good team defense requires a certain synergy to it. When you play good team defense, one player putting it all out there and making a stop energizes the whole unit. The whole unit builds on that confidence and execution. On the flip side, all it takes is one single sieve or lazy player, and that synergy explodes in your face. No player wants to exert max effort and lock it down only to watch STAT blow yet another assignment or get caught in the wrong place or just not care and give up easy points.

The Bulls player lock down team defense because the mindset is "I Am Not Going To Be The One To Let My Brothers Down" I think you can see that mentality in classic Knicks like Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley. STAT has none of that in him. (When is the last time you saw him dive for a loose ball?)

STAT sadly is like Chris Johnson of the Jets and formerly of the Titans in the NFL, a guy who is more happy to be seen as a celebrity athlete than someone who is passionate about the game. STAT's eyes light up when he gets to do an interview and wear his stupid hats and sports jackets. But do you see his eyes light up when he's in the paint and he can man handle a guy in the post? ( The trick part of that is STAT would never manhandle someone in the post, he might ruin his manicure)

Remember Major League, when Tom Berenger, who plays the catcher on his last legs of a career, criticizes Corbin Bernsen, the prima donna last legs third basemen who won't dive for a ball anymore, not for the team. That's STAT, the ass hole at third base past his prime who won't even dive for the ball anymore.

Do you remember the movie Miracle? Where Kurt Russell is screaming at his players, that the name in front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back? Yeah, not for STAT.

When you are a NY Knick, that should mean something. That should mean something about playing with intensity and leaving it all out on the floor each night. Getting old is part of the game. Getting hurt is part of the game. Having a leaking mangina because you care about which stupid hat you are going to buy next instead of actually doing something legit to help your team win is a choice.

Can wait until he proves you haters wrong, and if he doesn't, i'll be the first to kick his ass to the curb

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amare will play over 60 games and average close to 28 minutes. Just a hunch but I think his knee issues are behind him for the most part kind of like mcdyess. He'll probably sit out for maintenance a few games but will be otherwise clean.

TS% above 60 and 8 rebs is what I'm looking for. Just a hunch.

With usage of your projected 28 minutes per game, STAT would be injured about 8-9 games into that experiment, considering back to backs.

STAT is not a player who has aged well or put in the work to age well. He's a 12-15 minute a night reserve big now who can still give you some pick up offense, but needs to be hidden defensively. My guess is STAT headlines the 2nd unit and gets paired with Smith in the front court. I doubt he will be a critical factor in the 4th quarter of any game.

Something that I think a lot of fans don't consider is that good team defense requires a certain synergy to it. When you play good team defense, one player putting it all out there and making a stop energizes the whole unit. The whole unit builds on that confidence and execution. On the flip side, all it takes is one single sieve or lazy player, and that synergy explodes in your face. No player wants to exert max effort and lock it down only to watch STAT blow yet another assignment or get caught in the wrong place or just not care and give up easy points.

The Bulls player lock down team defense because the mindset is "I Am Not Going To Be The One To Let My Brothers Down" I think you can see that mentality in classic Knicks like Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley. STAT has none of that in him. (When is the last time you saw him dive for a loose ball?)

STAT sadly is like Chris Johnson of the Jets and formerly of the Titans in the NFL, a guy who is more happy to be seen as a celebrity athlete than someone who is passionate about the game. STAT's eyes light up when he gets to do an interview and wear his stupid hats and sports jackets. But do you see his eyes light up when he's in the paint and he can man handle a guy in the post? ( The trick part of that is STAT would never manhandle someone in the post, he might ruin his manicure)

Remember Major League, when Tom Berenger, who plays the catcher on his last legs of a career, criticizes Corbin Bernsen, the prima donna last legs third basemen who won't dive for a ball anymore, not for the team. That's STAT, the ass hole at third base past his prime who won't even dive for the ball anymore.

Do you remember the movie Miracle? Where Kurt Russell is screaming at his players, that the name in front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back? Yeah, not for STAT.

When you are a NY Knick, that should mean something. That should mean something about playing with intensity and leaving it all out on the floor each night. Getting old is part of the game. Getting hurt is part of the game. Having a leaking mangina because you care about which stupid hat you are going to buy next instead of actually doing something legit to help your team win is a choice.

honestly this tells me you know nothing of this guy and havent followed his career at all. Kill him for the bad defense or the holes in his game, but his dedication and work cant be questioned, they simply cant.

+1

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:STAT has proved time and again that he will push thru pain and do what he has to do in order to get back on the court and play. Most guys would take the money and run when faced with as many set backs as STAT has. He never gives up. He has his flaws, but he isn't some quitter, prima donna.
I'm pulling for him to stay healthy and have a good season.

this i will agree with. he believes in ball movement as well and that's why he could flourish again if healthy.

Thats gotta be a joke ... no?? Right its a joke?

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:STAT has proved time and again that he will push thru pain and do what he has to do in order to get back on the court and play. Most guys would take the money and run when faced with as many set backs as STAT has. He never gives up. He has his flaws, but he isn't some quitter, prima donna.
I'm pulling for him to stay healthy and have a good season.

this i will agree with. he believes in ball movement as well and that's why he could flourish again if healthy.

Thats gotta be a joke ... no?? Right its a joke?

He certainly does care about ball movement. Move the ball to amare so he can move it in the hoop.

and he believes in moving the ball to the other team ... mr turnover.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:2.7 turnovers per game vs 1.5 assists.

2.7 is defined as MR Turnover? Dude please.

Cant Imagine how you felt about Patrick Ewing back in the day.

Dude you please.

I thought that his assist -> turnover ratio sucked.

Are you saying that Amare did not have a turnover problem? Never saw him go 1 on 5 and turn the ball over?

Are you one of those guys that kill Melo for what the way he pissed that day but are blind to anything negative about amare? If yes, I will move along ... no patience for blind extremism.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:2.7 turnovers per game vs 1.5 assists.

2.7 is defined as MR Turnover? Dude please.

Cant Imagine how you felt about Patrick Ewing back in the day.

Dude you please.

I thought that his assist -> turnover ratio sucked.

Are you saying that Amare did not have a turnover problem? Never saw him go 1 on 5 and turn the ball over?

Are you one of those guys that kill Melo for what the way he pissed that day but are blind to anything negative about amare? If yes, I will move along ... no patience for blind extremism.

Actually I dont rate SCORERS by their assists to turnovers....it's a dumb way to rate them.

But if under 3 is turnovcer prone or even a problem in your book, your book is best left closed.

My issues with Amare is his defense, outside of that i have none.

My issue with melo is his salary when he is not worth the price on the court, but in his case, if he shoots 43% from the field....yeah he should pass. When he hits over 50% for his CAREER like Amare does no matter when he plays....he aint gotta pass at all.

Inferring that I rate players by assist to turnovers is dumb in itself. I did not state that.

Melo shoots 43%?

If your only issue with Amare is defense then you know very little about basketball. I am assuming that you then probably have more issues with Amare other than defense. HOW ABOUT REBOUNDING? Fukk passing ... that is only for losers. Did you know that his USG -> Assists ratio is one of the worst possible? Oh right ... Ewing didn't pass either (which happens to be his biggest asterisk) so its perfect.