knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:

franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.

yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.

Papabear Says

DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?

some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:

17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%

as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.

the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.

Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.

And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.

Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.

The three are not the same.

Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there

Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team

Not the same here either

Melo left just prior to a labor stoppage where the owners were telling the players they were changing free agency and would make it much harder and much less lucrative for star players to leave their current teams.

he could have signed the extension in Denver like they offered him immediately.

So True

Judging by what he did on this contract I think Melo was looking further into the future too

My gut says he wanted to go to a team assuring him of another rich deal

New York was the most likely option he could go to, without doubting he'd get another richer deal

Not sure Denver goes another round with him again.

I think they would have traded him to a team of their destination once extension was signed/////

Placing his next deal at risk.

We've been a team making decisions on save face premises, which of course sharks smell this blood very easily

Fortunately for him and his agent spotting the sucker Dolan/////

Melo didn't make 1 bad financial decision when placing Denver in the rear view

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.