H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

Is it really any different when Pau was traded to Lakers//////

For what he was making and stood to make with extension at his age

Silverfuel wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

Now we need to consider the context and other players salaries? Its OK not to consider context when saying we missed the playoffs last year and that's Melo's fault. Yeah, he is a ball hog with no one to pass the ball to. No context necessary. No one wants to bring up Amare's or Andrea's salary or what Donnie Walsh did with Zach Randolph and David Lee. Lets blame Melo for everything and not consider context or those circumstances. Mike D'Antoni sucked in NY but that was Melo's fault. No context necessary there. Gallo is injury prone. That's Melo's fault!!

If sane people decide point out that every single superstar FA has taken the money they can get and that doesn't single out Melo, then its time to change the conversation. Cleveland is closer to winning a championship so its OK for Kevin Love to expect the max. But a superstar decides to stay in our city and he is evil because he didn't give up one meal a day? What the actual **** is wrong with these people?! Some of these hypocrites argued with me when I brought up Allan Houston's contract in threads 10 years ago. Nothing but trolls running this forum now. They take over every thread and spread their negativity.

What did you not understand about the discussion surrounding Melo's contract? Do you not understand that these deals aren't being made in a vacuum? The majority of the disappointment in Melo's deal came from the fact that we don't believe it will be realistically possible to build a contender around Melo considering the salary cap ramifications, our lack of assets, and Melo's age.

The Love contract is a completely different situation. He's going to a team that's already better than the Knicks. He's younger than Melo and probably better. And his contract won't be an albatross when it's ending.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Instant championship favorites

Shouldn't you consult your metrics first before making such bold claims

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Instant championship favorites

Shouldn't you consult your metrics first before making such bold claims

I've looked at Love's metrics in a lot of detail

He shoots way too many threes. Lets hope that stops in Cleveland.

Silverfuel wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

Now we need to consider the context and other players salaries? Its OK not to consider context when saying we missed the playoffs last year and that's Melo's fault. Yeah, he is a ball hog with no one to pass the ball to. No context necessary. No one wants to bring up Amare's or Andrea's salary or what Donnie Walsh did with Zach Randolph and David Lee. Lets blame Melo for everything and not consider context or those circumstances. Mike D'Antoni sucked in NY but that was Melo's fault. No context necessary there. Gallo is injury prone. That's Melo's fault!!

If sane people decide point out that every single superstar FA has taken the money they can get and that doesn't single out Melo, then its time to change the conversation. Cleveland is closer to winning a championship so its OK for Kevin Love to expect the max. But a superstar decides to stay in our city and he is evil because he didn't give up one meal a day? What the actual **** is wrong with these people?! Some of these hypocrites argued with me when I brought up Allan Houston's contract in threads 10 years ago. Nothing but trolls running this forum now. They take over every thread and spread their negativity.

What did you not understand about the discussion surrounding Melo's contract? Do you not understand that these deals aren't being made in a vacuum? The majority of the disappointment in Melo's deal came from the fact that we don't believe it will be realistically possible to build a contender around Melo considering the salary cap ramifications, our lack of assets, and Melo's age.

The Love contract is a completely different situation. He's going to a team that's already better than the Knicks. He's younger than Melo and probably better. And his contract won't be an albatross when it's ending.

What did you not understand about my posts? People said Melo was selfish for taking the max when other superstars do not do that. Now it turns out all of them take what money is coming to them.

What do you not understand about context? Do you truly not understand that we aren't a good basketball team and the easiest way to improve is with cap space? Or are you being purposely obtuse?

Silverfuel wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

Now we need to consider the context and other players salaries? Its OK not to consider context when saying we missed the playoffs last year and that's Melo's fault. Yeah, he is a ball hog with no one to pass the ball to. No context necessary. No one wants to bring up Amare's or Andrea's salary or what Donnie Walsh did with Zach Randolph and David Lee. Lets blame Melo for everything and not consider context or those circumstances. Mike D'Antoni sucked in NY but that was Melo's fault. No context necessary there. Gallo is injury prone. That's Melo's fault!!

If sane people decide point out that every single superstar FA has taken the money they can get and that doesn't single out Melo, then its time to change the conversation. Cleveland is closer to winning a championship so its OK for Kevin Love to expect the max. But a superstar decides to stay in our city and he is evil because he didn't give up one meal a day? What the actual **** is wrong with these people?! Some of these hypocrites argued with me when I brought up Allan Houston's contract in threads 10 years ago. Nothing but trolls running this forum now. They take over every thread and spread their negativity.

What did you not understand about the discussion surrounding Melo's contract? Do you not understand that these deals aren't being made in a vacuum? The majority of the disappointment in Melo's deal came from the fact that we don't believe it will be realistically possible to build a contender around Melo considering the salary cap ramifications, our lack of assets, and Melo's age.

The Love contract is a completely different situation. He's going to a team that's already better than the Knicks. He's younger than Melo and probably better. And his contract won't be an albatross when it's ending.

What did you not understand about my posts? People said Melo was selfish for taking the max when other superstars do not do that. Now it turns out all of them take what money is coming to them.

What do you not understand about context? Do you truly not understand that we aren't a good basketball team and the easiest way to improve is with cap space? Or are you being purposely obtuse?

I understand context and I think you are being purposely obtuse. What I don't understand is why you are ONLY policing me about context. Where are you and your context when others on this forum single out Melo and blame him for all of the issues the Knicks are dealing with right now. Also, stop being a dick with the "what do you not understand" line cause you are not the only one who can be a dick.

Silver.. your spot on. First its Melo is selfish. Oh wait.. all these other guys took crazy money too. OK, well lets switch gears to circumstance and figure out reason why its OK for these guys to cash in but for Melo its bad.

Just goes to show... Phil Jackson, Jesus Christ... it doesnt matter who pulls the strings, guys are going cry and moan

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see how love taking max money available to join Lebron and Irving is the same as he Melo trade or Melo taking $124m?

They are getting paid to do the same job. One company is in a better position then the other, but the job is still the same. Be a max player. If the Knicks use their cap space to sign DeAndre Jordan next year is OK then? I feel like we may have discussed this before once or twice but Melo is a max player. Knicks are a decent team coming off a bad year. Let Phil Jackson build the team no? He seemed to think having Melo would be an OK starting point. More is needed thus all the moves and not giving up any picks and maintaining $25mm plus in cap space for next year.

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see how love taking max money available to join Lebron and Irving is the same as he Melo trade or Melo taking $124m?

it's.not.even.close to the same situation. just like you can't look at stats in a vacuum you can't look at these major transactions in a vacuum.

the cavs are in win-now mode for the next two seasons, when lebron's contract ends. lebron on any team brings legitimacy. the dude is already changing his body to suit what he anticipates his new duties are going to be with his two running-mates. he may be a douche in some people's eyes but he's an absolute genius. as it is the cavs now have a 40% chance of winning a title. THAT'S why you pay love that much money!

back in 2010-2011 the knicks were in rebuild mode, not win-now mode. 28-26 and a 7th or 8th seed, first round exit team. all melo had to do was WAIT. but he didn't, couldn't wouldn't. the melo trade yanked the knicks into win-now mode, although it was always going to be an exercise in futility for reasons that have been painfully clear. the reason remains the same: chemistry. some players, especially the so-called "scorers," just don't have it. but lebron at essence is a chemistry guy, like almost ALL the all-time greats.

the knicks, meanwhile, are going to have to wait at least an entire season and then cross their fingers that they can be in win-now mode a year and change from now. so we are paying this guy 24 million dollars for a season where the knicks have a 2% chance in winning a title.

i have a theory as to why melo is the most overpaid player in the league and is still, agonizingly, a knick: he knew he would have failed to win elsewhere playing for less money. think about it: harden and melo? no. rose and melo? no. bryant and melo? no no no!

so he manages to save face, puts the burden on jackson and fisher to pull a rabbit out of a hat (pace nixluva), and basically can remain blithely free of any responsibility!