knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Okay I like Quincy Acy he has a major motor although offense needs work.

Other than this the trade is not good

How many posters here were high on Jeremy Tyler?

I was never high on Tyler, but then again I'm just a fan. Tyler had zero motor so if Acy has a motor he's an upgrade IMO. Nothing about Tyler ever gave me confidence the kid would ever "put it all together" despite his considerable talents.

Okay so Tyler never was a high potential upside player?

All fabricated oversold imagination

Nevertheless ACY is much like Larkin.

He'll either lock in the books next year or he won't

Which means we may end up giving Ellington-Tyler-Pick for nothing.

That's why the trade isn't good

There's really no fall back.

The pick already belonged to the kings. The kings are waiving both guys they get in the trade. The deal for the Kings was for cap space. They have too many power forwards already. The kings extended the date for when Acy's contract had to be picked up. It probably was done so they could move him.

the pick only belonged to sac if the Knicks stunk the year of the 2016 draft, it was well prtotected.

not really concerned with the pick, but felt the need to clarify.

It was Top 37 protected.

If we're good 2015-2016 year they'd get, it if not we'd keep it

So in essence the pick was still ours.

It's very much the same nonchalant-cavalier attitude with the Bargs trade and the 2016 1st pick

We should have traded a 2018 second unprotected

We now for a certainty have no picks in 2016

it's the other way around, the only way sac would have got it is if we were bottom 7 in record aka lotto.

But yes, the pick was still ours.

Imo though I think Phil has something he can get done at anytime, but is bolstering the bench first.

I understand Top 37 to mean Top 37.

A 37th pick is a somewhat high second rounder

This would only go to a team who had a bad record 2015-2016

So if we were bad this season we'd keep it, if we were good they get it

What I mean by good, in the playoffs.

Technically they could have received the pick even if we missed the playoffs[8th worst record]

Phisher had to see something in the SL practices and games that they did not like- don't think they would have been so quick to sign Aldrich and then Smith if Tyler had shown them anything.

You never had the feeling that Tyler, with all his great physical ability, could consistently play like a 6'11" player. Should have come in with some new moves in the post, and not rely on his jumper, which is actually great for a big man. I also don't think that Phil and Fish thought he could move the ball around and make decisions they way they wanted him to in the Triangle.

Feel bad losing him, because he's a young guy with potential, but the Knicks want people who can contribute now, I suppose.

Not an Outlaw fan, just a wasted spot on the roster if he is on the team- always looked a bit sickly to me.

Saw Acy have a decent game- probably the one he had against the Knicks, but I have never followed him. Maybe Fisher puts him in when the Knicks are getting pushed around.

Fisher would have seen him play a number of times over the last two years...maybe he saw some things he like when Acy was an opponent.

Hope he keeps the beard.

From what I can see, by the way, Acy has a team option for THIS year as well as next year. When do the Knicks have to pick up the option or let him go?? Has anyone heard whether they are just going to let him go?

WaltLongmire wrote:So the Tyler era is over, and the Ellington era was aborted.

Phisher had to see something in the SL practices and games that they did not like- don't think they would have been so quick to sign Aldrich and then Smith if Tyler had shown them anything.

Feel bad losing him, because he's a young guy with potential, but the Knicks want people who can contribute now, I suppose.

From what I can see, by the way, Acy has a team option for THIS year as well as next year. When do the Knicks have to pick up the option or let him go?? Has anyone heard whether they are just going to let him go?

Somewhat short fuse with Tyler considering this was his first crack at a real system right?

Phil and Fisher didn't think they could reach him

We already contacted ACY's people, we're picking up his option this year

Next year is to be determined, we have a whole season to decide

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So the Tyler era is over, and the Ellington era was aborted.

Phisher had to see something in the SL practices and games that they did not like- don't think they would have been so quick to sign Aldrich and then Smith if Tyler had shown them anything.

Feel bad losing him, because he's a young guy with potential, but the Knicks want people who can contribute now, I suppose.

From what I can see, by the way, Acy has a team option for THIS year as well as next year. When do the Knicks have to pick up the option or let him go?? Has anyone heard whether they are just going to let him go?

Somewhat short fuse with Tyler considering this was his first crack at a real system right?

Phil and Fisher didn't think they could reach him

We already contacted ACY's people, we're picking up his option this year

Next year is to be determined, we have a whole season to decide

I believe Tyler was the only non guaranteed deal the Knicks had that could be moved. Also, I think the organization has seen enough of Tyler to make a decision like this on him. Kings are waiving him. What does that say about Mike Malone?

Says he's not familiar with Tyler like we were and they are probably booked on roster spots.

Back at the ranch Thenansis looks more and more like an overseas stash after trade

WaltLongmire wrote:So the Tyler era is over, and the Ellington era was aborted.

Phisher had to see something in the SL practices and games that they did not like- don't think they would have been so quick to sign Aldrich and then Smith if Tyler had shown them anything.

You never had the feeling that Tyler, with all his great physical ability, could consistently play like a 6'11" player. Should have come in with some new moves in the post, and not rely on his jumper, which is actually great for a big man. I also don't think that Phil and Fish thought he could move the ball around and make decisions they way they wanted him to in the Triangle.

Feel bad losing him, because he's a young guy with potential, but the Knicks want people who can contribute now, I suppose.
Not an Outlaw fan, just a wasted spot on the roster if he is on the team- always looked a bit sickly to me.

Saw Acy have a decent game- probably the one he had against the Knicks, but I have never followed him. Maybe Fisher puts him in when the Knicks are getting pushed around.

Fisher would have seen him play a number of times over the last two years...maybe he saw some things he like when Acy was an opponent.

Hope he keeps the beard.

From what I can see, by the way, Acy has a team option for THIS year as well as next year. When do the Knicks have to pick up the option or let him go?? Has anyone heard whether they are just going to let him go?

Having a hard time understanding why people keep referring to losing a "young" guy like Tyler. Tyler is 23 and Acy is 24....so youth is not the issue. I liked Tyler's potential, but Acy appears to have been acquired because of his D, toughness and hustle.....also his contract is very favorable with the Knicks holding team options for the next two years in a contract that is only around $1 million. Outlaw offers 1 year of roster protection (at $3 mil) as insurance for Early's development. I didn't like giving up the 2nd rounder - but understand as the Knicks are taking an educated gamble that Sacramento would have the pick anyway....even without the trade.

This is the type of non-flashy sound move that you want your GM to make to build a solid roster foundation. Aquire a guy who you will control for the next 2 years at a very low salary and hope he turns into an Oakley type player. If not, his salary will make him tradeable along the way. Very smart move.

Phil is building even this years team in the mold of what he wants the team to be and the only thing that will change as we move forward is the quality of the players in those roles. Phil's targeting similar players like Thanasis and Acy shows a window into what he thinks the team needs. A great shooting PG like Jose is basically a tradition for Phil so no mystery there. If you look at his past teams he always has a big like Jason Smith. There's a method to his madness.