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gunsnewing
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8/6/2014  10:34 AM
Point guards average less assists in the triangle but team assists should go up. We should be solid offensively at PG. Defense is a major concern as well as lack of penetration between Calderon and Prigs

That's where Larkin is key. He needs to prove that he is an NBA caliber pg
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8/6/2014  10:36 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo had no issues passing when there were shooters who he was confident in. The thing about the Triangle is that there are so many more possessions where the players have a chance to pass to a cutting teammate. It's just an entirely different way to play compared to any system Melo has been in before. I often complained about Woodson's offense because he didn't have anything going on in his sets. Players were often going East and West and none of the plays really led to the basket. We didn't have a lot of back cuts or curls etc. Well in the triangle the off ball motion and players presenting themselves for the pass are plentiful. It's just a constant rotation of players moving to scoring spots or headed towards the basket. That's gonna lead to more assists for Melo by virtue of the flow of the offense. No special effort on Melo's part.

A good example is the 2010 Lakers against the superb defense of the Celtics. It's one example that can at least come close to showing what it does for a team having all that ball and player motion and spacing. The defense is never able to settle in and focus on one player. This has been the problem for Melo here in NY. When teams can't focus on defending Melo he'll go to another level.

Melo has always had issues passing.

I bet he does it more this year than ever before. It's a system that lends itself to getting more assists. When you pass to teammates who are in scoring position more often it really helps. Melo will still see defensive attention. He'll have to pass, but now his teammates will be moving rather than just standing around watching him. It's the nature of the offense. Constant ball and player movement. Everyone on the floor is engaged and has something to do on every play. We've NEVER played like that since Melo has been here. Melo will get more catch and shoot looks, but when he posts up, he'll have passing opportunities right in his sight lines.

So how many assists do you predict that he will average this year?


My prediction is 4. I haven't researched the triangle to see if my estimate should be higher.

Correct I say 4.5-4.7
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8/6/2014  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2014  10:37 AM
Expecting 12assists from Jose in the Triangle is utterly insane
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8/6/2014  10:40 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo had no issues passing when there were shooters who he was confident in. The thing about the Triangle is that there are so many more possessions where the players have a chance to pass to a cutting teammate. It's just an entirely different way to play compared to any system Melo has been in before. I often complained about Woodson's offense because he didn't have anything going on in his sets. Players were often going East and West and none of the plays really led to the basket. We didn't have a lot of back cuts or curls etc. Well in the triangle the off ball motion and players presenting themselves for the pass are plentiful. It's just a constant rotation of players moving to scoring spots or headed towards the basket. That's gonna lead to more assists for Melo by virtue of the flow of the offense. No special effort on Melo's part.

A good example is the 2010 Lakers against the superb defense of the Celtics. It's one example that can at least come close to showing what it does for a team having all that ball and player motion and spacing. The defense is never able to settle in and focus on one player. This has been the problem for Melo here in NY. When teams can't focus on defending Melo he'll go to another level.

Melo has always had issues passing.

I bet he does it more this year than ever before. It's a system that lends itself to getting more assists. When you pass to teammates who are in scoring position more often it really helps. Melo will still see defensive attention. He'll have to pass, but now his teammates will be moving rather than just standing around watching him. It's the nature of the offense. Constant ball and player movement. Everyone on the floor is engaged and has something to do on every play. We've NEVER played like that since Melo has been here. Melo will get more catch and shoot looks, but when he posts up, he'll have passing opportunities right in his sight lines.

So how many assists do you predict that he will average this year?


My prediction is 4. I haven't researched the triangle to see if my estimate should be higher.

Correct I say 4.5-4.7


That's almost double his average last year. I don't think anyone has come remotely close to that kind of change in the triangle.
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8/6/2014  10:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo had no issues passing when there were shooters who he was confident in. The thing about the Triangle is that there are so many more possessions where the players have a chance to pass to a cutting teammate. It's just an entirely different way to play compared to any system Melo has been in before. I often complained about Woodson's offense because he didn't have anything going on in his sets. Players were often going East and West and none of the plays really led to the basket. We didn't have a lot of back cuts or curls etc. Well in the triangle the off ball motion and players presenting themselves for the pass are plentiful. It's just a constant rotation of players moving to scoring spots or headed towards the basket. That's gonna lead to more assists for Melo by virtue of the flow of the offense. No special effort on Melo's part.

A good example is the 2010 Lakers against the superb defense of the Celtics. It's one example that can at least come close to showing what it does for a team having all that ball and player motion and spacing. The defense is never able to settle in and focus on one player. This has been the problem for Melo here in NY. When teams can't focus on defending Melo he'll go to another level.

Melo has always had issues passing.

I bet he does it more this year than ever before. It's a system that lends itself to getting more assists. When you pass to teammates who are in scoring position more often it really helps. Melo will still see defensive attention. He'll have to pass, but now his teammates will be moving rather than just standing around watching him. It's the nature of the offense. Constant ball and player movement. Everyone on the floor is engaged and has something to do on every play. We've NEVER played like that since Melo has been here. Melo will get more catch and shoot looks, but when he posts up, he'll have passing opportunities right in his sight lines.

So how many assists do you predict that he will average this year?


My prediction is 4. I haven't researched the triangle to see if my estimate should be higher.

Correct I say 4.5-4.7


That's almost double his average last year. I don't think anyone has come remotely close to that kind of change in the triangle.
He averaged 3.1 last year. My math says double is 6.2.
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8/6/2014  10:59 AM
I will bet that we will see at least 4-4.5.

Just having Calderon hitting shots that Felton always missed alone may get him there. System should help too.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:03 AM
Yea probably closer to 4 than 5
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8/6/2014  11:06 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea probably closer to 4 than 5

yeah probably.

If Kobe was at 4.6, I am not sure if Carmelo wants to do better.

Kobe was one of the kings of all time chucking though.

Melo can definitely do 5 if he wanted to. I hope that he surprises me - he is certainly capable of doing it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2014  11:13 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo had no issues passing when there were shooters who he was confident in. The thing about the Triangle is that there are so many more possessions where the players have a chance to pass to a cutting teammate. It's just an entirely different way to play compared to any system Melo has been in before. I often complained about Woodson's offense because he didn't have anything going on in his sets. Players were often going East and West and none of the plays really led to the basket. We didn't have a lot of back cuts or curls etc. Well in the triangle the off ball motion and players presenting themselves for the pass are plentiful. It's just a constant rotation of players moving to scoring spots or headed towards the basket. That's gonna lead to more assists for Melo by virtue of the flow of the offense. No special effort on Melo's part.

A good example is the 2010 Lakers against the superb defense of the Celtics. It's one example that can at least come close to showing what it does for a team having all that ball and player motion and spacing. The defense is never able to settle in and focus on one player. This has been the problem for Melo here in NY. When teams can't focus on defending Melo he'll go to another level.

Melo has always had issues passing.

I bet he does it more this year than ever before. It's a system that lends itself to getting more assists. When you pass to teammates who are in scoring position more often it really helps. Melo will still see defensive attention. He'll have to pass, but now his teammates will be moving rather than just standing around watching him. It's the nature of the offense. Constant ball and player movement. Everyone on the floor is engaged and has something to do on every play. We've NEVER played like that since Melo has been here. Melo will get more catch and shoot looks, but when he posts up, he'll have passing opportunities right in his sight lines.

So how many assists do you predict that he will average this year?


My prediction is 4. I haven't researched the triangle to see if my estimate should be higher.

Correct I say 4.5-4.7


That's almost double his average last year. I don't think anyone has come remotely close to that kind of change in the triangle.
He averaged 3.1 last year. My math says double is 6.2.

I accidentally looked at 2012-13. You're right.
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8/6/2014  11:14 AM
1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2014  11:16 AM
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year
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8/6/2014  11:18 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

whats your prediction for his assist numbers next year?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2014  11:19 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

Did Mreinman just pull a Bonn on Bonn? You don't hit Bonn with sample sizes he hits you.
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yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

Did Mreinman just pull a Bonn on Bonn? You don't hit Bonn with sample sizes he hits you.

perhaps subliminally

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2014  11:22 AM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

whats your prediction for his assist numbers next year?


I think there will be an increase. Maybe something like 3.8842
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8/6/2014  11:23 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

whats your prediction for his assist numbers next year?


I think there will be an increase. Maybe something like 3.8842

joking aside, you are predicting 3.9?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  11:25 AM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

whats your prediction for his assist numbers next year?


I think there will be an increase. Maybe something like 3.8842

joking aside, you are predicting 3.9?

I was just kidding. I'd prob go with his career avg. of course he could be a great distributor in the triangle but he also could struggle.
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8/6/2014  11:27 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:1 year is not a good sample size.

His career is 3.1.


You're corect. I thought he averaged around 2.5 fir 2 straight years. I didn't realize he returned to his career avg. last year

whats your prediction for his assist numbers next year?


I think there will be an increase. Maybe something like 3.8842

joking aside, you are predicting 3.9?

I was just kidding. I'd prob go with his career avg. of course he could be a great distributor in the triangle but he also could struggle.

Struggle? WTF?? Nixluva? Can you get in here??

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/6/2014  12:07 PM
bryant averaged around 5 assists and had a usage:assist rate ratio of 1.33
jordan avenraged closer to 7 assists and had a usage:assist rate of around 1.35

both are better all-round players than carmelo anthony, and although all three can be considered wings, these two guys are essentially shooting guards.

what you want to see from melo is 4.5 to 5 assists in the triangle, and his usage:assist go down to around 1.5 or lower.

lastly, jordan's eFG was elite, completely smoking bryant and melo. jordan's TS% is also considerably better than the other two.

the main issue for melo is how talented and coachable is he actually? his numbers have always been purely borderline for all his accolades. now that he will be put in the same of reference as jordan and bryant, we will be able to get a better gauge of how special carmelo anthony is.

this is what i want to see:

1) 58%TS
2) 5 assists/game
3) 52%eFG
4) usage to assist rate ratio of 1.5 or lower
5) no more than 17 shots per game

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/6/2014  12:13 PM
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yea probably closer to 4 than 5

yeah probably.

If Kobe was at 4.6, I am not sure if Carmelo wants to do better.

Kobe was one of the kings of all time chucking though.

Melo can definitely do 5 if he wanted to. I hope that he surprises me - he is certainly capable of doing it.

Melo better average 4.5+ in the triangle. If he doesn't be is chucking too much. The beauty of the triangle is it promotes finding the best shot. When the defense keys in on Jordan and Kobe it makes finding that shot even easier. Here why their assists went up under Phil
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