Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

Half the roster filled with youth, are you kidding me?? was the spurs roster half way filled with yutes, what about miami, dallas, boston, lakers, houston.

You need 1 or 2 quality youngins in your rotation, thats it, anymore and your a first round exit at best.

No im not kidding, the Knicks have to that many so they can find the tony Parker , Ginobli, and Duncan yes the Spurs have them now but where the hell do you think they came from. Miami is a unique situation where they landed the best player in the NBA but they also already had Wade who was top 5 at the time, Lebron can make every situation work but he isnt on the Knicks roster and he never will be. Dallas Nowitzi, Boston Pierce, Lakers Kobe. In case you havent noticed all those teams developed at least 1 superstar themselves.

Do Knick fans really think Marc Gasol, Caledron and Melo making 53 million out of 66 million dollar projected cap is going to win an NBA title? Unless the Knicks hit on a young star making next to nothing they arent competing for championships they will be competing for 5 seeds

Why do u think the Cavs situation was so attractive for Lebron? They will have room for another max player plus multiple high pick players on rookie deals. They will have a an All Star core and the Bird rights of #1 picks waiting in the wings

Free agents want to play with other stars but they also want to get paid. During Melo's tenure the Knicks have only had the 3.6 exception to work with. Next offseason will be the first that the Knicks have a star and cap space. I don't think players consider home grown talent as a criteria for where they choose to go. I think they just want to play with another really good player. The Knicks have to hope that they can be like the teams you mentioned that had a star and were able to acquire a second and in some cases a third. In regards to having half the roster with youth I don't think that translates to success. Yes you have to develop youth and pick smart but the really good teams are able to get really good vets on value contracts because those guys want to compete for a championship. The Knicks unless Melo misses all of next year with an injury are not going to luck into a situation like the spurs did and they don't have the picks to get anything more than guys that might make the rotation.

It may depend on the star
It may depend on the money
It may depend on the roster
It may depend on ability to win
It may depend on all of the above

The Lakers, Heat, Rockets didn't really capitalize to the degree you'd think they could for various reasons

The Mavs, Hornets, Bulls, Pelicans did fairly decent and a couple teams here would have been thought of as not prime destinations

Some players may end up being turned off by guys like Kobe and Melo but we'll see soon enough.

Agree. Guys we know that wanted to play with Melo include, Wade, LBJ, Paul, Rondo, Noah (and possibly Rose), Kobe, D12, and Dirk. Hopefully after a year of Phil running things and Fisher coaching the perks of playing in ny will not just be to play with Melo but also to be a part of a winning organization.

Pau Gasol raises an eyebrow to this post who took less to play in Chicago.

Ran from Kobe, right pass Melo stopped where Noah and Rose are located

As does

Parsons-Dallas/Dirk adored him near equal offer, $12mil less than Melo
Bosh-Houston adored him equally offered max

Lebron-wouldn't allow us to talk to his agent Rich Paul
Rondo-started recruiting Love early who isn't free

Love-publicly pleading for a trade to Cleveland or GSW when he could wait to become a free agent to play here
Paul-had 2 chances to force a trade here like Melo and passed

Not quite sure I can see what you're getting at.

EDIT: I should add Chicago, Houston, Dallas were the list of teams Melo chose. The only team who came in hot pursuit late were the Lakers

Pau took more than the Knicks could pay. The Lakers are reloading for 2016. Melo never was in play for Houston. Bosh was their back up plan. Love is a UCLA guy and wants out of Minny. NY isn't an option at this point. If he can play with LBJ or go to Golden State why should he put things on hold for a year. A lot of factors on where and why guys went places but I don't see any other reason in NY other than the only thing to offer was a 3.6 mil contract that was given to Jason Smith. Is Jason Smith ever mentioned in the salary context of the guys that I believe you suggest are shunning Melo and the 3.6 mil his team has to offer?

LOL you will eventually have to face facts. nobody of any import is coming to new york to play with carmelo! he screwed the pooch on that with his greed and selfishness.

the only hope is that "system basketball" successfully trumps this douchebag... and you know what-- it just might. but that is the forced gamble jackson had to make, apparently. betcha he had to hold his nose on that one.

and unlike his doing (in jackson-speak) "exactly what we kind of asked him to do," (LOL) in terms of his ridiculous and disgusting contract, you had better pray he does exactly what he is being asked to do, no "kind of" qualifiers.

next season the knicks absolutely need to make the playoffs or you can kiss the following four years goodbye.

screw melo and GO KNICKS!!!

Truly sig worthy line. You're HATE/love neurosis is nothing if not entertaining.

And if the Knicks make the playoffs, you can complain about our shehitty first round pick.

If we miss the playoffs you'll fall in love with the pick, especially if it lands very high in the lottery.

Care to provide me an answer how old Duncan, Ginobli, Parker were when they won their first chip? What about their second?

If questions prove to be very difficult to answer how about some follow-ups

When the Spurs went through their Finals appearance-championship drought from 2008-2012 what got them over the hump?

Was it signing a bunch of old vets, trying to find the next Carmeloans?

or

Was it trading for, signing, drafting younger players?

Condescending Much?

As far as the Spurs are concerned, it ain't that deep. Tim Duncan is an alltime great. You win 'chips in this league with all time greats. The spurs knew this and tanked to get him in the draft.

Over the last twenty years, with the exception of the Pistons in '04, all time great have won 'Chips

LeBron
Duncan
Wade
Shaq
KG
Dirk
Kobe
MJ
Hakeem

You ain't got an all time great, odds are against you ever winning a 'chip. That's reality. But FANatic and Reality do not mix. With the exception of a few teams, most NBA teams do not have an alltimers but FANatics still show up, root and hope. In the end, you hope for great memories and enjoyable rides ala '99 Knicks, '89 Knicks, '84 Knicks. None of those teams had a shot in hell to win it all, but those teams still remain near and dear to my heart. Best shot we had was '94, but Hakeem is/was a better player than Ewing...It was that simple.

Am I any more FANatical[rebuild philosophy] compared to fans still believing Lebron is angling to play in New York?

It's not reality to think he is nor Kevin Love for the matter, I get your point though

All I'm saying is trying to use Philly as a model is pathetic. No one wants to rebuild perpetually in the lottery

You should only compare to greatness not failure. So anytime Philly is mentioned I'm drawing up Spurs

Most teams in the playoffs currently have a Lottery Core it can't be denied or scoffed at. Most of them drafted their core

When I say core, I'm referring to players who are high usage contributors to their success

Hypothetically speaking if you will/// give consideration to humoring me. What do you think Carmeloans trade value is/was if he were put out there prior to new deal?

As a side note Philly is going to be good in 2yrs. They are in year 2 of full blown rebuild

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:We have to really suck or be surprisingly good

Brilliant. So tank or chip, is that your outlook on life? When you play pickup, if you're not destroying the other team immediately, do you throw the game so you can get on a better team that's got next? Really, ever try watching the Sixers and their neverending quest to lose 70 games?

We have the best volume shooting scorer we've ever had (yes, Bonn, I know that's not worth the bits I just used to type that), we have PJax, we have some quality yoots that if you believe in PJax, he's going to develop and not trade for an Al Harrington or [tkf bait alert) some loser like Paul Boy George, and we seem to have a nice, strong coaching staff that's all on the same page. No pepsi throwing, no banishment tension of Rambis to the tape library. Just win baby. Even though it's only Summer League.

JR is humble and would trade himself.

And Dolan's very quiet. Not even a hot dog vendor or security guard firing to mention

How young were Duncan, Ginobli, Parker when they won their first Chip?

Fill free to post their exact ages in the same manner Tim Duncan's salary was posted here reflecting his contract history

You are basing NBA success on one year of tanking (DRobinson played in 6 games that season) and winning the lottery and getting Tim Duncan as a rational way to approach dynasty building? You conveniently leave out that San Tone's record for the 7 years prior to that season on purpose, right?

Answer my question above, please.

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:Condescending Much?

As far as the Spurs are concerned, it ain't that deep. Tim Duncan is an alltime great. You win 'chips in this league with all time greats. The spurs knew this and tanked to get him in the draft.

Over the last twenty years, with the exception of the Pistons in '04, all time great have won 'Chips

LeBron
Duncan
Wade
Shaq
KG
Dirk
Kobe
MJ
Hakeem

You ain't got an all time great, odds are against you ever winning a 'chip. That's reality. But FANatic and Reality do not mix. With the exception of a few teams, most NBA teams do not have an alltimers but FANatics still show up, root and hope. In the end, you hope for great memories and enjoyable rides ala '99 Knicks, '89 Knicks, '84 Knicks. None of those teams had a shot in hell to win it all, but those teams still remain near and dear to my heart. Best shot we had was '94, but Hakeem is/was a better player than Ewing...It was that simple.

Am I any more FANatical[rebuild philosophy] compared to fans still believing Lebron is angling to play in New York?

It's not reality to think he is nor Kevin Love for the matter, I get your point though

All I'm saying is trying to use Philly as a model is pathetic. No one wants to rebuild perpetually in the lottery

You should only compare to greatness not failure. So anytime Philly is mentioned I'm drawing up Spurs

Most teams in the playoffs currently have a Lottery Core it can't be denied or scoffed at. Most of them drafted their core

When I say core, I'm referring to players who are high usage contributors to their success

Hypothetically speaking if you will/// give consideration to humoring me. What do you think Carmeloans trade value is/was if he were put out there prior to new deal?

As a side note Philly is going to be good in 2yrs. They are in year 2 of full blown rebuild

F500NE - You state we need to suhhuck or be surprisingly good.
You state tanking should only be mentioned when it works (San Tone), but not when it doesn't (Philly) That's a great strategy for discussion, only examples that work need apply.

And then you point out that Philly is going to be good in 2 years.

Lebron, Shaq, KG. These examples don't count, either, right?

Last year was their true first year to rebuilding.

You're using a team who just started the process last year come on

A better example would have been the Timberwolves to state your case, but let's be fair they play in an incredibly tougher conference we don't.

Then let's look at what's on their horizon a potential Kevin Love[lottery pick] for Wiggins[ lottery pick kid is for real] swap

Not necessarily a bad thing and exactly what could change the course for the Wolves

Going back to Philly they haven't been perpetually in the lottery. Remember this is the same team who beat the Bulls in the playoffs a couple yrs ago.

Year 1 - They drafted MCW, traded Jrue Holiday for Noel[who was injured] and a 2014 pick

Year 2 - Following year they drafted Joel Embid and Dario Saric[comes over next year]

Year 3 - If in lottery again they draft the best 2 guard in a year with crazy cap space///more in comparison

In 2015 They have all 5 positions locked up

PG-MCW - 20
G-2015 lottery pick - 18/19
SF-Saric - 21
F-Noel - 20
C-Embid - 20

All of them high upside young talent, cheap, whole career and best yrs ahead of themselves with no short windows to be good.

The fact they have 5 all on 1 team says at least 40% will prove to be cornerstone type talent, maybe more

Didn't-Doesn't take long does it

Now which year of Phil's 5 do you absolutely see us competing at a high level? Is it when we sign Durant in 2yrs?

Okay count the yrs that have passed since trading for Melo and where does this place us, yr 7

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:We have to really suck or be surprisingly good

Brilliant. So tank or chip, is that your outlook on life? When you play pickup, if you're not destroying the other team immediately, do you throw the game so you can get on a better team that's got next? Really, ever try watching the Sixers and their neverending quest to lose 70 games?

We have the best volume shooting scorer we've ever had (yes, Bonn, I know that's not worth the bits I just used to type that), we have PJax, we have some quality yoots that if you believe in PJax, he's going to develop and not trade for an Al Harrington or [tkf bait alert) some loser like Paul Boy George, and we seem to have a nice, strong coaching staff that's all on the same page. No pepsi throwing, no banishment tension of Rambis to the tape library. Just win baby. Even though it's only Summer League.

JR is humble and would trade himself.

And Dolan's very quiet. Not even a hot dog vendor or security guard firing to mention

How young were Duncan, Ginobli, Parker when they won their first Chip?

Fill free to post their exact ages in the same manner Tim Duncan's salary was posted here reflecting his contract history

You are basing NBA success on one year of tanking (DRobinson played in 6 games that season) and winning the lottery and getting Tim Duncan as a rational way to approach dynasty building? You conveniently leave out that San Tone's record for the 7 years prior to that season on purpose, right?

Answer my question above, please.

How old were Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli when they won their first championship?

It's a simple question that was asked of you first

I'll address this post in a bit, I'll wait

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

F500ONE wrote:We have to really suck or be surprisingly good

Brilliant. So tank or chip, is that your outlook on life? When you play pickup, if you're not destroying the other team immediately, do you throw the game so you can get on a better team that's got next? Really, ever try watching the Sixers and their neverending quest to lose 70 games?

We have the best volume shooting scorer we've ever had (yes, Bonn, I know that's not worth the bits I just used to type that), we have PJax, we have some quality yoots that if you believe in PJax, he's going to develop and not trade for an Al Harrington or [tkf bait alert) some loser like Paul Boy George, and we seem to have a nice, strong coaching staff that's all on the same page. No pepsi throwing, no banishment tension of Rambis to the tape library. Just win baby. Even though it's only Summer League.

JR is humble and would trade himself.

And Dolan's very quiet. Not even a hot dog vendor or security guard firing to mention

How young were Duncan, Ginobli, Parker when they won their first Chip?

Fill free to post their exact ages in the same manner Tim Duncan's salary was posted here reflecting his contract history

You are basing NBA success on one year of tanking (DRobinson played in 6 games that season) and winning the lottery and getting Tim Duncan as a rational way to approach dynasty building? You conveniently leave out that San Tone's record for the 7 years prior to that season on purpose, right?

Answer my question above, please.

How old were Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli when they won their first championship?

It's a simple question that was asked of you first

I'll address this post in a bit, I'll wait

I'll answer it but I have a question for you. Duncan 26, Manu 25, Parker 20. What was your former user name here?

Thank You! Fan of 5 to win one=F500ONE

Used 2 00 because I thought it looked cool

Are we going to discuss basketball on the merits of our informed points or are we veering off so it becomes personal