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StarksEwing1
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7/11/2014  1:13 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Kyrie is maxed. Lebron is going to get paid. They'll have to pay Wiggins soon. I don't see Melo going to CLE for 14 mil or less a year.

And does this make Chicago and lighting candles for Rose's knees any more attractive?

I would respect Melo if he went to the Bulls, its not like going to the Heat with LeBron there. His rep would still take a hit if he followed up this movie of the week ending with LeBron and the Cavs, and bailed.

If melo went to the bulls for less it would show that he is serious about winning right now. Personally i like the youth movement so getting mcdermott and first rounder sis intruging to me. However if melo tells Phil he wants to come back for a lot less in order to help the Knicks build better around him i will give him props

Puts pressure on Anthony.

James is getting the $$, but he was most likely going to get another chance at a title if the big three came back and Riley fine-tuned the Heat roster.

As you said, you can respect Anthony if he takes less to go to Chicago in a S&T with the Knicks, or if he works out his contract with the Knicks to take less than Max so we can sign another star. If he simply demands the Max from Phil and we are somehow limited in roster flexibility because of that I will be pissed off.

Exactly. Thats the only point i've been trying to make through thsi whole process. It doesnt mean i dislike melo or dont wnat him on teh Knicks it simply means its will benefit everyone in the knicks organization(including melo) if he takes less and we have more flexibility to sign better talent. I mena lest be honest melo can build a mansion out of %100 bills so taking less wot hurt him
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7/11/2014  1:13 PM
OasisBU wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess notorious groupie Brian Whinhorst is moving back to Cleveland. I'm coming home in a sense

if you got paid by a huge company to follow axl rose, wouldnt you do it?

Axl '91 or Axl 2014?


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7/11/2014  1:13 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess notorious groupie Brian Whinhorst is moving back to Cleveland. I'm coming home in a sense

if you got paid by a huge company to follow axl rose, wouldnt you do it?

Axl '91 or Axl 2014?

2014 much more pleasant to be around lol

You know that based on? He is supposedly bipolar and has always been either a doll or nightmare to be around, depending on the day.

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7/11/2014  1:15 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
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nyk4ever wrote:i have to say, i kinda got goosebumps reading that essay by lebron. good for him for going home, i think it's great for the league and clearly its where lebron wants to be. great move and great way to put it out there.

almost, if not entirely, makes up for departure and the crap that went with it.

You have to respect how much he has grown since then and he really has achieved a lot - 4 straight finals, 2 championships. Now he is going back to Cleveland to resurrect their franchise. Its huge.

I am not a big fan of Lebron but I definitely respect him more after the past few years and now this.

Winning 1 title with the Cavs is worth 3 more with the Heat.

How many players have won championships with multiple teams as the key player? Shaq maybe? But even then Wade was beginning to take over.
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7/11/2014  1:17 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Kyrie is maxed. Lebron is going to get paid. They'll have to pay Wiggins soon. I don't see Melo going to CLE for 14 mil or less a year.

And does this make Chicago and lighting candles for Rose's knees any more attractive?

I would respect Melo if he went to the Bulls, its not like going to the Heat with LeBron there. His rep would still take a hit if he followed up this movie of the week ending with LeBron and the Cavs, and bailed.

If melo went to the bulls for less it would show that he is serious about winning right now. Personally i like the youth movement so getting mcdermott and first rounder sis intruging to me. However if melo tells Phil he wants to come back for a lot less in order to help the Knicks build better around him i will give him props

Puts pressure on Anthony.

James is getting the $$, but he was most likely going to get another chance at a title if the big three came back and Riley fine-tuned the Heat roster.

As you said, you can respect Anthony if he takes less to go to Chicago in a S&T with the Knicks, or if he works out his contract with the Knicks to take less than Max so we can sign another star. If he simply demands the Max from Phil and we are somehow limited in roster flexibility because of that I will be pissed off.

I agree, asking for the max and talking championships out of the other side of his mouth would be tough to swallow for some fans. Melo should get paid what the market says he's worth, but it will be hard to square Melo taking the max with his dreams of getting a ring.
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7/11/2014  1:18 PM
Whats Miami gonna do with the close to 40mm of cap holds that are gonna be released when Lebron and Bosh sign elsewhere. And where does Dwayne go?
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7/11/2014  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2014  1:19 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i have to say, i kinda got goosebumps reading that essay by lebron. good for him for going home, i think it's great for the league and clearly its where lebron wants to be. great move and great way to put it out there.

almost, if not entirely, makes up for departure and the crap that went with it.

You have to respect how much he has grown since then and he really has achieved a lot - 4 straight finals, 2 championships. Now he is going back to Cleveland to resurrect their franchise. Its huge.

I am not a big fan of Lebron but I definitely respect him more after the past few years and now this.

Winning 1 title with the Cavs is worth 3 more with the Heat.

How many players have won championships with multiple teams as the key player? Shaq maybe? But even then Wade was beginning to take over.

has to be very few, if any (not including shaq)-- though that probably is impacted by lack of fa way back and even more recent, how many teams lost their best player after winning a title or making multiple finals in a row.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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7/11/2014  1:20 PM
Wow, this was rumoured to be a possibility all season, but i never in a million years thought it was true! Respect to Lebron- he's really matured these past few years. Kind of awkward when Melo announces he's doing the opposite of Lebron and going to the Bulls!

At this point, my dream would be to trade melo to the Cavs for Wiggins & Bennett and a pick. However, looks like they're about to land Love (also note Lebron makes no mention of Wiggins and Bennett in his letter). Number two would be a S& T with the Bulls, number 3 is Melo at the max.
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7/11/2014  1:21 PM
smackeddog wrote:Wow, this was rumoured to be a possibility all season, but i never in a million years thought it was true! Respect to Lebron- he's really matured these past few years. Kind of awkward when Melo announces he's doing the opposite of Lebron and going to the Bulls!

At this point, my dream would be to trade melo to the Cavs for Wiggins & Bennett and a pick. However, looks like they're about to land Love (also note Lebron makes no mention of Wiggins and Bennett in his letter). Number two would be a S& T with the Bulls, number 3 is Melo at the max.

Who does Bron want to play with more - Love or Melo? I'd gladly take that package in a S&T.
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7/11/2014  1:22 PM
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i have to say, i kinda got goosebumps reading that essay by lebron. good for him for going home, i think it's great for the league and clearly its where lebron wants to be. great move and great way to put it out there.

almost, if not entirely, makes up for departure and the crap that went with it.

You have to respect how much he has grown since then and he really has achieved a lot - 4 straight finals, 2 championships. Now he is going back to Cleveland to resurrect their franchise. Its huge.

I am not a big fan of Lebron but I definitely respect him more after the past few years and now this.

Winning 1 title with the Cavs is worth 3 more with the Heat.

Completely agree. Same goes for if Melo wins 1 in NY as opposed to multiple in LA or Chi.


Yup...

Mark Messier won multiple Stanley Cups with the Oilers, but is more revered and famous for the single Cup he won with the Rangers.

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7/11/2014  1:25 PM
I remember that Le Batard Heat journalist (remember him from some racist crap back in the LJ days) gloating when Lebron signed with the Heat in 2010 and laughing saying "New York, welcome to another decade of irrelevance!" etc. Well, what goes around, comes around...

Heat fans are terrible- at least Cavs fans will truly appreciate a championship, Heat fans even turned up late to playoff games.
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7/11/2014  1:27 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Wow, this was rumoured to be a possibility all season, but i never in a million years thought it was true! Respect to Lebron- he's really matured these past few years. Kind of awkward when Melo announces he's doing the opposite of Lebron and going to the Bulls!

At this point, my dream would be to trade melo to the Cavs for Wiggins & Bennett and a pick. However, looks like they're about to land Love (also note Lebron makes no mention of Wiggins and Bennett in his letter). Number two would be a S& T with the Bulls, number 3 is Melo at the max.

Who does Bron want to play with more - Love or Melo? I'd gladly take that package in a S&T.

Love is the better fit for the Cavs, to be honest. Maybe something personal comes into it. However, I can't see Cleveland ticking the boxes for nice places for his family to live.
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7/11/2014  1:27 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess notorious groupie Brian Whinhorst is moving back to Cleveland. I'm coming home in a sense

if you got paid by a huge company to follow axl rose, wouldnt you do it?

Axl '91 or Axl 2014?

2014 much more pleasant to be around lol

You know that based on? He is supposedly bipolar and has always been either a doll or nightmare to be around, depending on the day.

Yea but you mix bipolar and hard drugs and things get ugly like it did in the 90s
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7/11/2014  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2014  1:30 PM
Here it is:

Around the 1.47 min mark, and again at the 2.33min mark. Man, that annoyed me so much 4 years ago!
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7/11/2014  1:30 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i have to say, i kinda got goosebumps reading that essay by lebron. good for him for going home, i think it's great for the league and clearly its where lebron wants to be. great move and great way to put it out there.

almost, if not entirely, makes up for departure and the crap that went with it.

You have to respect how much he has grown since then and he really has achieved a lot - 4 straight finals, 2 championships. Now he is going back to Cleveland to resurrect their franchise. Its huge.

I am not a big fan of Lebron but I definitely respect him more after the past few years and now this.

Winning 1 title with the Cavs is worth 3 more with the Heat.

Completely agree. Same goes for if Melo wins 1 in NY as opposed to multiple in LA or Chi.


Yup...

Mark Messier won multiple Stanley Cups with the Oilers, but is more revered and famous for the single Cup he won with the Rangers.

Yup. It would be the same if someone lead the Knicks to their first championship in 41+ years
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7/11/2014  1:35 PM
smackeddog wrote:I remember that Le Batard Heat journalist (remember him from some racist crap back in the LJ days) gloating when Lebron signed with the Heat in 2010 and laughing saying "New York, welcome to another decade of irrelevance!" etc. Well, what goes around, comes around...

Heat fans are terrible- at least Cavs fans will truly appreciate a championship, Heat fans even turned up late to playoff games.

Miami media and fans are the worst. They don't deserve a good team. If not for Riley Miami basketball would be non existent
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7/11/2014  1:43 PM
I thought LeBron was a great player before the infamous "Decision". A great player isn't only able to dominate in a basketball court, but lead a group of men into becoming a team that can win together. LeBron became a joke for me when he went to Miami with all the parties and immature quotes.

But today I think that changed for all, including me. May be shameless manipulation to clean his image, but it takes courage to admit your mistakes and take a big decision like this one. Amazing how a simple essay can turn a villain into a hero that I'm sure will make fans root for him whenever he reaches an NBA Finals again. I want my Knicks to win first, but it will be memorable whenever LeBron gets that championship with Cleveland.

Great news for an intense fanbase that suffered losing someone they truly see as a son. This is great for the league.

Good job, LeBron.

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7/11/2014  1:45 PM
smackeddog wrote:Wow, this was rumoured to be a possibility all season, but i never in a million years thought it was true! Respect to Lebron- he's really matured these past few years. Kind of awkward when Melo announces he's doing the opposite of Lebron and going to the Bulls!

At this point, my dream would be to trade melo to the Cavs for Wiggins & Bennett and a pick. However, looks like they're about to land Love (also note Lebron makes no mention of Wiggins and Bennett in his letter). Number two would be a S& T with the Bulls, number 3 is Melo at the max.

That would be the ultimate factor to separate Melo and LeBron. Compared so many times, yet really different.

But we will see what Melo does...

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7/11/2014  1:47 PM
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i have to say, i kinda got goosebumps reading that essay by lebron. good for him for going home, i think it's great for the league and clearly its where lebron wants to be. great move and great way to put it out there.

almost, if not entirely, makes up for departure and the crap that went with it.


This. I was impressed with the power and clarity of his words. I bought it all
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7/11/2014  3:05 PM
THIS IS no surprise. There were strong indications that he was going back to cleveland.. just some knick fans were holding out this unrealistic hope of he and carmelo in new york...

Now look for kevin love to go to cleveland and the cavs can dangle wiggins and Thompson to the wolves.. good for both teams..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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