ToddTT wrote:We traded Tyson and Felton, got back Dirk, Calderon, Larkin, 1st round draft picks for the next 5 years, and a 1995 Honda Civic.

Yeah man

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You can also take back 3.6mil extra in trades without having to match the salary I believe.

COuldnt we say trade Dalembert, Odom, Shumpert and get back a player making 11 million. Dalembert is non guaranteed at 4 mil , shump makes 1.6, and Odom gets 1.4. Thats 7 million in salary plus the exception gets u to 10.6

Is Dalembert able to be packaged with other players?

No idea was looking at non guaranteed deals that teams wouldn't have to take on if they didnt want. We have 5.5 million in non guaranteed plus the exception

Im not sure if u can use an exception like that anyway. We might be only able to trade for a 3.6 million dollar player

No, I am positively sure 100%, that we are unable to do that
In no way can the exemption be combined with any other exemptions or players salaries to take back a larger salary

What I am unsure about is

1- if we can straight up SIGN a player with the exemption gained

2- if CA walks for nothing, can we use our 5m MLE first then use the trade exemption by signing a FA or trade for one, thus having 3.6m (with 120% = 4.32, so can we take back 4.32m starting salaries in trades)

3- with the cap set at 5m higher than the predicted the cap set at about 63.2m, raising the tax threshold to $71.7 million to $77 million

a) if we are under the projected 63.2m cap, we can bid for amnestied players, pick up waived players, like possible Boozer/Lin, not sure how the order works but we can easily make moves to stay under the cap, though we would only have the 2m + LLE aka Bi Annual Exemption vs MLE *3.2m or 5m* (last used on JR Smith during the lock out year and the trade exemption

- Which moves would actually be better for the franchise moving forward, we have a lack of ROSTER SPOTS, but outside of draft pick 35 (Cleanthony Early can have be team option of at least 3 years in unguaranteed money, not sure about the 51 pick (Thanasis Antetokounmpo, has a 2 year deal *and another team can pull a poison pill on us like Lin/Fields unless we use part of exemptions for a 3 year deal* who I think can contribute right away and also has a high potential/possibly even higher than Early, though NEITHER player would be needed to be signed to contracts if we wanted to stash them/letting them develop in the D League/Europe, till we have more roster spots available, and possibly even for contract/salary reasons for our future depended on the 2015-16 (Kevin Love/Dragic and 2nd *like Rhondo/Marc Gasol/Parker*/3rd tier Stars like Rudy Gay/Jeff Green/Thad Young/DeAndre Jordan/ Al Jefferson/Millsap and GOOD role players like Gereld Green/Lin/Kosta Koufos 2016-17 (Durant/Noah, maybe Lebron with Rumors)

Some other solid players that have TEAM player options for either 2015-16 or 16/17 include

Monta Ellis

Randy Foye

Wilson Chandler
Ilyasova

Speights
Hickson

MosGoV

b) does it make a difference because we over the 63.2m team or the 77m tax threshold? (especially being penalized more for being in the tax threshold for 3 years with more limitations in possible moves)

c) can we SIGN a player vs only trading for a player if we are over/under the predicted 63.2m or luxury tax of 77m with the trade exemption?

Finestrg wrote:Another quick question and forgive me in advance if this has been answered already --

How does this exception work regarding a multi-year offer to a FA? The amount is $3.6mm -- is that a total amount for only 1 yr or could we start a player at that amount in year one and offer multiple years i.e. 3 yrs/$10.8mm? If so, how many years total could we offer a player? 3, 4?

Dissect the trade for me please in your expert opinion

Finestrg wrote:Another quick question and forgive me in advance if this has been answered already --

How does this exception work regarding a multi-year offer to a FA? The amount is $3.6mm -- is that a total amount for only 1 yr or could we start a player at that amount in year one and offer multiple years i.e. 3 yrs/$10.8mm? If so, how many years total could we offer a player? 3, 4?

The exemption allows you to sign and trade for a player with a starting salary of 3.6mm. They could have a contract with the requisite raises afterward the value would be a bit more than 10.8mm.

We could also use the exemption to trade for a player that is in a similar salary slot already (within the standard salary matching buffer).\

VDesai wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Another quick question and forgive me in advance if this has been answered already --

How does this exception work regarding a multi-year offer to a FA? The amount is $3.6mm -- is that a total amount for only 1 yr or could we start a player at that amount in year one and offer multiple years i.e. 3 yrs/$10.8mm? If so, how many years total could we offer a player? 3, 4?

The exemption allows you to sign and trade for a player with a starting salary of 3.6mm. They could have a contract with the requisite raises afterward the value would be a bit more than 10.8mm.

We could also use the exemption to trade for a player that is in a similar salary slot already (within the standard salary matching buffer).\

Thanks for responding, Des.

Right, was thinking the same thing...Didn't know the exact amounts but figured there were incremental raises involved.

All I'm thinking about now is how we could use this exception for the players I want -- Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill and Jerryd Bayless.

Perfect world, I'd love to see something like this: grab Aldrich for his vet minimum (he's a 5 year player I believe. Someone mentioned he's entitled to a 120% raise increase over last year's pay); Jerryd Bayless for part or all of the mini-MLE (depending on how much competition there is for him--does Boston or Memphis want him back?) and I'd also love to get Jordan Hill, possibly for something involving this trade exception. I just feel Hill will command more than $3.6mm. He feels like a $5mm/year player to me, maybe more. Plus, I would think the Lakers would want him back...

I'd also see if I could pry C Jeff Withey away from New Orleans somehow.

We'll see what Phil can do here..

Jr is a knuckle head and is annoying but is still a quality player when healthy. Hopefully Fisher and Co. will use him proably and take the ball out of his hands more. He needs to go back to being a Korver/ Redick type player and not a Jaamal Crawford/kobe lite-guy. Jr shot 46% from three on catch and shoots last year. The triangle will hopefully allow him to do more of that.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I get that people have their guys that they like but Bayless is not that good to spend money on if you are the knicks. They have a stock of 2 guards already plus JR is really a better version of Bayless.

Jr is a knuckle head and is annoying but is still a quality player when healthy. Hopefully Fisher and Co. will use him proably and take the ball out of his hands more. He needs to go back to being a Korver/ Redick type player and not a Jaamal Crawford/kobe lite-guy. Jr shot 46% from three on catch and shoots last year. The triangle will hopefully allow him to do more of that.

JR has great upside. I say that because when he's right between the ears he is simply an impact player. He's a very good defender and a much better passer than I ever thought. That being said I trust him as far as I trust TFK with Melo's rookie card and a sharpie.

I do suspect rather than try to just move him they give him a chance to play in this system. The guy is such a wild card I hate depending on him for anything at all. In Phil we trust

And JR does seems to get the odd clutch rebound or two per week, too. At least most of the games I listened to he seems to rebound fairly well for his position.
That said, I'm really not that interested in looking up his reb stats.

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Another quick question and forgive me in advance if this has been answered already --

How does this exception work regarding a multi-year offer to a FA? The amount is $3.6mm -- is that a total amount for only 1 yr or could we start a player at that amount in year one and offer multiple years i.e. 3 yrs/$10.8mm? If so, how many years total could we offer a player? 3, 4?

The exemption allows you to sign and trade for a player with a starting salary of 3.6mm. They could have a contract with the requisite raises afterward the value would be a bit more than 10.8mm.

We could also use the exemption to trade for a player that is in a similar salary slot already (within the standard salary matching buffer).\

Thanks for responding, Des.

Right, was thinking the same thing...Didn't know the exact amounts but figured there were incremental raises involved.

All I'm thinking about now is how we could use this exception for the players I want -- Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill and Jerryd Bayless.

Perfect world, I'd love to see something like this: grab Aldrich for his vet minimum (he's a 5 year player I believe. Someone mentioned he's entitled to a 120% raise increase over last year's pay); Jerryd Bayless for part or all of the mini-MLE (depending on how much competition there is for him--does Boston or Memphis want him back?) and I'd also love to get Jordan Hill, possibly for something involving this trade exception. I just feel Hill will command more than $3.6mm. He feels like a $5mm/year player to me, maybe more. Plus, I would think the Lakers would want him back...

I'd also see if I could pry C Jeff Withey away from New Orleans somehow.

We'll see what Phil can do here..

enyspree loves Bayless also... what about the glut of guards?

I just prefer Bayless' overall talent level, skill level and potential over some of the other names I'm hearing -- Steve Blake, etc.

Bayless is a scoring point. He'll always be a scoring point. I get that. People will even say he's a 2 trapped in a one's body. I get that too to a degree. The man also has all the requisite skills to run the point: superb handle, awesome speed with the ball, terrific blow-by ability, quickness, hops, strength, etc.. My thing is why couldn't he be tamed slightly to involve his teammates a little more than what he's shown thus far as a pro? I think he could and I think Derek Fisher is a good coach to get him to do that. The man can make plays for others -- it's not like he can't. I've seen it in college and seen it in the pros. Granted, this area needs some more improvement but I think he could get there. Why not? New team, new coach (a former PG no less, which should help), NYC, more responsibility/an expanded role, Phil Jackson in his ear every so often telling him what he wants and expects -- I dunno man -- combine that with this kid's potential and skill-set and the fact that we could probably get him at a good price, I'd take a chance with him..

Come on, you guys know talent when you see it -- tell me with a straight face this dude's not talented. Everything about this man's game is straight up ELECTRIC. I also think this kid could be much more efficient an offensive player than what he's shown (I'd be counting on improvement in this area with a defined, expanded role). There's terrific potential here as a scorer and shooter (either from mid-range or from deep)...There's potential here for so much more than what he's shown. I see honest to goodness potential to replicate what he did at Arizona as a freshman. This man is young, supremely skilled & confident. In the right setting and in the right scenario, he could be a stud. I'd take the chance here. If by chance we got him and he didn't take off like I'd expect, we'd still have a very skilled/young combo guard (probably at a good salary) that we could either utilize to the fullest or move later. I'd love to see Phil show some guts and some vision here. Be bold -- get this guy, give him the keys and let's see what he can do. Sometimes that's all that it takes -- a new setting where there's trust along with an expanded role and more responsibility. Did wonders for Kyle Lowry in Toronto, no?

he is a godawful defender

fishmike wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Another quick question and forgive me in advance if this has been answered already --

How does this exception work regarding a multi-year offer to a FA? The amount is $3.6mm -- is that a total amount for only 1 yr or could we start a player at that amount in year one and offer multiple years i.e. 3 yrs/$10.8mm? If so, how many years total could we offer a player? 3, 4?

The exemption allows you to sign and trade for a player with a starting salary of 3.6mm. They could have a contract with the requisite raises afterward the value would be a bit more than 10.8mm.

We could also use the exemption to trade for a player that is in a similar salary slot already (within the standard salary matching buffer).\

Thanks for responding, Des.

Right, was thinking the same thing...Didn't know the exact amounts but figured there were incremental raises involved.

All I'm thinking about now is how we could use this exception for the players I want -- Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill and Jerryd Bayless.

Perfect world, I'd love to see something like this: grab Aldrich for his vet minimum (he's a 5 year player I believe. Someone mentioned he's entitled to a 120% raise increase over last year's pay); Jerryd Bayless for part or all of the mini-MLE (depending on how much competition there is for him--does Boston or Memphis want him back?) and I'd also love to get Jordan Hill, possibly for something involving this trade exception. I just feel Hill will command more than $3.6mm. He feels like a $5mm/year player to me, maybe more. Plus, I would think the Lakers would want him back...

I'd also see if I could pry C Jeff Withey away from New Orleans somehow.

We'll see what Phil can do here..

enyspree loves Bayless also... what about the glut of guards?

I just prefer Bayless' overall talent level, skill level and potential over some of the other names I'm hearing -- Steve Blake, etc.

Bayless is a scoring point. He'll always be a scoring point. I get that. People will even say he's a 2 trapped in a one's body. I get that too to a degree. The man also has all the requisite skills to run the point: superb handle, awesome speed with the ball, terrific blow-by ability, quickness, hops, strength, etc.. My thing is why couldn't he be tamed slightly to involve his teammates a little more than what he's shown thus far as a pro? I think he could and I think Derek Fisher is a good coach to get him to do that. The man can make plays for others -- it's not like he can't. I've seen it in college and seen it in the pros. Granted, this area needs some more improvement but I think he could get there. Why not? New team, new coach (a former PG no less, which should help), NYC, more responsibility/an expanded role, Phil Jackson in his ear every so often telling him what he wants and expects -- I dunno man -- combine that with this kid's potential and skill-set and the fact that we could probably get him at a good price, I'd take a chance with him..

Come on, you guys know talent when you see it -- tell me with a straight face this dude's not talented. Everything about this man's game is straight up ELECTRIC. I also think this kid could be much more efficient an offensive player than what he's shown (I'd be counting on improvement in this area with a defined, expanded role). There's terrific potential here as a scorer and shooter (either from mid-range or from deep)...There's potential here for so much more than what he's shown. I see honest to goodness potential to replicate what he did at Arizona as a freshman. This man is young, supremely skilled & confident. In the right setting and in the right scenario, he could be a stud. I'd take the chance here. If by chance we got him and he didn't take off like I'd expect, we'd still have a very skilled/young combo guard (probably at a good salary) that we could either utilize to the fullest or move later. I'd love to see Phil show some guts and some vision here. Be bold -- get this guy, give him the keys and let's see what he can do. Sometimes that's all that it takes -- a new setting where there's trust along with an expanded role and more responsibility. Did wonders for Kyle Lowry in Toronto, no?

not as high on his as you but this could be a good situation, if given minutes.... but with Calderon, JR, THjr and Larkin certainly in the mix whats your thought process? Balance the roster and get some bigs for those guys then add Bayless?

You're right -- something might have to give in the backcourt. Maybe some guys go in a S&T for a guy like Jordan Hill, or to New Orleans for C Jeff Withey, I dunno. What I do know is we already need another ball-handler for more depth at PG. Can't possibly think we're covered there with just Calderon and Larkin. We're gonna need 1 more guy here for PG depth. So on that alone, there's room for him. Look, I know this isn't gonna happen but if it were my fantasy -- I'd give Bayless full reign as my lead guard. My primary backup would be Larkin (Bayless and Larkin together for stretches could be really electric) and Jose Calderon (even at $7mm a pop) would be my 3rd PG. I'd either trade or buy out Pablo and slide Calderon into the Pablo role as auxillary 3rd PG (where I think Calderon would be an upgrade over Prigioni actually) until I figured out a way to move him later on. That's just me.. F Steve Blake, come on.. Shoot for something much bigger than that, man. Let's shoot for the stars... That's my mindset here fellas.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I get that people have their guys that they like but Bayless is not that good to spend money on if you are the knicks. They have a stock of 2 guards already plus JR is really a better version of Bayless.

Jr is a knuckle head and is annoying but is still a quality player when healthy. Hopefully Fisher and Co. will use him proably and take the ball out of his hands more. He needs to go back to being a Korver/ Redick type player and not a Jaamal Crawford/kobe lite-guy. Jr shot 46% from three on catch and shoots last year. The triangle will hopefully allow him to do more of that.

JR has great upside. I say that because when he's right between the ears he is simply an impact player. He's a very good defender and a much better passer than I ever thought. That being said I trust him as far as I trust TFK with Melo's rookie card and a sharpie.

I do suspect rather than try to just move him they give him a chance to play in this system. The guy is such a wild card I hate depending on him for anything at all. In Phil we trust