sidsanders wrote:

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would pay him. The idea is to get two guys or possibly even three guys like Melo. Even if I pay him the super max I can still add another max guy next year. Also Im not that concerned about having to pay him $20mm when he's turning 35. I find this notion of losing all flexibility because MElo is making $20mm when he's 35 and in the last year of his contract laughable.

My #1 desire is to win. Melo for all his faults (and there are plenty) has had exactly one losing season in the league. He plays hurt. His game improves each year and his production is outstanding.

Im not interested in going back to the annual losing and debates over who has the best chance on the roster to ever crack and all star game (David Lee won that pony race) while we win 30ish games every year.

Folks say they are tired of Melo. Thats fine and ok, but this "lets go in a different direction" talk is funny. Is there another elite scorer and impact player waiting to come here? I dont see one... sorry if I missed something.

The Knicks are better with Melo, whether he makes $17mm or $22mm.

If people want Melo to be like Duncan with his contract, then MElo would sign for the super max and at 35 take a two year $20mm extension. THATS what Duncan did. When Duncan was Melo's age he was making super max $20mm plus, not the discount he gave the Spurs when he hit the wrong side of 35.

Its funny... NY Knicks were a team that could never get elite players. Now the fan base doesnt want to pay one. Reminds me of when Ewing was up for big contract and fans were calling into the FAN killing him for the same reasons. Ewing was Jordan or Hakeem. Melo isnt Lebron or Durant. He's still good though and easy to put parts around.

Biggest complaint the last 3 years hasnt been Melo. Its been the moves around him (Bargs, Lin, Felton, Tyson, etc) that have not worked. Lets see Phil build a team. An elite scorer is a useful pawn to have.

Mavs, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets... all will be offering Melo the max. Im fine with paying our best player market value. If the market is high sucks for us. Thems the breaks.

why do you find it laughable?

for the second bold part -- no one has been able to put parts around him easily except for 1 season out of 12 (billups/den season, last year was not one to me) -- easily i take to mean building a contender. perhaps it isnt so easy to do? if he is maxed out and they do continue a trend of poor choices, wouldnt/couldnt the first bold part come back to strike the team again? lots can happen over the seasons that could make it work out... seems like its just not wise to max this guy out though. i do not feel its easy to build around him, and it would be fair to note it is based on what has happened not what might happen (maybe jackson is good at his new job).

if he goes, and they stink again... shocker. they have been awful most of this century so im used to it now...
lowered expectations...

Look at Melo's record in the NBA. Denver was a bottom dwelling lottery team for 5? 8? years before Melo? It was an extended period of time. The drafted him and every season they had a winning record and went to the playoffs. The Knicks were bad for years in a row and we add Melo and suddenly its playoffs 3 out of 4 years and advancing as well once. An oversimplification? Maybe, but there is a large sample size for both the Knicks and Nugs before and after MElo, and both dramatically improved after adding him.

If I could swap Melo with another star/elite player I would not have an issue. Im not half the fan of MElo folks would assume I am. I am a fan of having elite talent and an impact player.

What does it tell you that ALL the teams with cap space or potential cap space trying to build a super team to compete for a title are throwing themselves at Melo?

What I find laughable is the fear of a 35 year old MElo making $20mm a year somehow justifies letting him walk for nothing and pretending that we are better off. Maybe we can start the Durant to NY chatter like we did with Lebron 4 years ago.

One clear trend I have noticed, elite players do not what to go to startups. NY is not a fun place. The media is relentless and nasty. No star is coming here to rescue NY. Melo has taken some good lumps here in NYC and continues to be a good soldier. He can handle it.

My thought process is simple: Im willing to pay market value for my talent. When 4-5 teams are offering your best player the max guess what his market is? The max. I didnt make up the market. The Bulls (12am tomorrow), the Mavs, the Rockets and the Lakers will make the market. If it hurts the Knicks 5 years from now thems the breaks. Show the situation where a team let high caliber talent walk for nothing and that move was the right thing to do.

i dont think there is any examples of folks walking for nothing and where it works great for the old team, though i cant think of too many times has that really happened.

for the rest, i dont know what jacksons plan is. i suspect he would like more $ to work with and the max wont help him do some of what he wants. no idea if thats a reality or not. if he stays at max, then maybe jackson planned for that and we shall see what he has next.

You just have to realistic. We arent paying Phil and Fish all this cash to let the elite talent walk and get the most from THrj and Cleanthoy Early. It just doesnt make sense. We need elite talent.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

I don't want to pay him MAX $$ either, but now you're getting into ridiculous territory...$13mil per year? hard to take you seriously with posts like that.

CA put up huge numbers but given to fact that Woodson's system or lack of one, was build on CA hoisting jumpers, all FT attempts for technicals, majority of all end of quarter shots in all games, despite who is hot/has the better match up, I believe CA's STAT's have been very misleading with the points above

Moonangie wrote:

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

I don't want to pay him MAX $$ either, but now you're getting into ridiculous territory...$13mil per year? hard to take you seriously with posts like that.

if he wants to win in a knick uniform he should accept something close to this figure.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

so your smarter than the Mavs, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets and Phil Jackson. There are so many statements here that are utterly made up I dont know where to begin.

several of these teams are closer to contending than the knicks. they also pay one less year in the long term. they also have players that are better players than our local hero. dirk is better. noah is better. the rockets have a couple of players that are equal to or better then him as well. if bryant comes back and has not aged too much even he is better.

i predict you and your fellow fluffing yahoos are in for a rude shock.

So all these other credible, contending teams are making moves to try and give Melo the most they can, and I doubt ANY OF THEM are dumb enough to offer Melo your idiotic 50% discount.

I predict you and your sisterhood of beyatching Melohating miscreants will be dismally unhappy with what the market price is for your impossible to build around PIECE, rebounding and non-defensive leader in steals for most of the season, leading among NBA PF in assists, who plays more minutes while being fat and out of supreme shape.

You want him gone so bad you don't care how stupid you sound.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

so your smarter than the Mavs, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets and Phil Jackson. There are so many statements here that are utterly made up I dont know where to begin.

several of these teams are closer to contending than the knicks. they also pay one less year in the long term. they also have players that are better players than our local hero. dirk is better. noah is better. the rockets have a couple of players that are equal to or better then him as well. if bryant comes back and has not aged too much even he is better.

i predict you and your fellow fluffing yahoos are in for a rude shock.

So all these other credible, contending teams are making moves to try and give Melo the most they can, and I doubt ANY OF THEM are dumb enough to offer Melo your idiotic 50% discount.

I predict you and your sisterhood of beyatching Melohating miscreants will be dismally unhappy with what the market price is for your impossible to build around PIECE, rebounding and non-defensive leader in steals for most of the season, leading among NBA PF in assists, who plays more minutes while being fat and out of supreme shape.

You want him gone so bad you don't care how stupid you sound.

what do you care what other teams are doing? what bearing does that have on the knicks fanbase? are you a bulls fan? a mavs fan? go root for them to pay him as much money as possible.

you are a melo fan. go root for melo to make as much as possible no matter what.

me? i am a knick fan. all i care about is how much he is worth to the knicks, and that is 12-14 million.

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

Now you are disagreeing with Clyde about Melo being in supreme shape. Nice!

never heard of clyde saying that about carmelo anthiny. provide a link otherwise you're just hurling poop from your perch.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this player is impossible to build around. he is a piece not THE piece. that calls for a discount #1.

he isn't a two-way player. that, too, calls for a discount #2. you have to find and pay others to take up the defensive slack.

he doesn't facilitate adequately. that calls for a discount #3.

he isn't in supreme shape. that too calls for a discount #4.

there are four big reasons why melo should take a discount.

25 million a year? never

13 million per year is about right for this level of player if you want to have the best chance of building a winner.

Now you are disagreeing with Clyde about Melo being in supreme shape. Nice!

never heard of clyde saying that about carmelo anthiny. provide a link otherwise you're just hurling poop from your perch.

I believe we can structure a contract where year 2 is a 15% discount. Pay him what it takes in years 1-3-4-5 and get that help in 2015.