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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
6/26/2014 10:21 AM
I would have interest in Gereld Green, also on a contract year at 3.5m, as well, who played his career year after getting NO MINUTES on the Pacer's
However, I feel he fits best in an uptempo system, with a PG that pushes consistently with the ability to penetrate and finish, spread the floor, facilitate, and has an HIGH IQ with smart players/with the ability to shoot/spread the floor |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35476 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
6/26/2014 10:25 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I think everybody that is upset about calderon's contract is going overboard. Yes I dont love teh contract but its not like he makes amare/bargs money. We will still have plenty of cap spacetkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Exactly, plus he isn't Bargnani, Stoudemire, Felton, etc. His contract is easy to move because he can play. If we need to trade him we can. |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/26/2014 10:28 AM
NardDogNation wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:gunsnewing wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow like john paxon calderon can hit the three, he will be taking a lot of open jumpers hopefully... but I agree, pick and roll is his bread and butter.... the key is calderon is a pretty good shooter... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/26/2014 10:30 AM
NardDogNation wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I think everybody that is upset about calderon's contract is going overboard. Yes I dont love teh contract but its not like he makes amare/bargs money. We will still have plenty of cap spacetkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow the problem is our tax situation it makes getting those guys very hard.. which is why I didn't like that bargnani deal..... it limited us getting those types of players when you factor in the tax situation we were in. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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TheSage
Posts: 21039 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/20/2003 Member: #386 |
6/26/2014 10:34 AM
Bledsoe has had 3 knee operations and is an injury waiting to happen. He a fine player but would not want to give up much unless getting more back. Have no problems with trading the newly acquired assets with a view to building with or without CA although Melo is perfect for the triangle. From what I have seen of Barry's son he could be a real compliment to Melo, nota ball hog, pass first pg and and fine shooter although at his height will never be a threat on the boards
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H1AND1
Posts: 21747 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/9/2013 Member: #5648 |
6/26/2014 11:07 AM
NardDogNation wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:gunsnewing wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Calderon is a crazy efficient shooter. I'd argue he is just as good a shooter as he is at the pick and roll...Take a look at this shot chart titled "one of the best pure shooters in the NBA" |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
6/26/2014 11:24 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:NardDogNation wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Larkin, dalembert, Ellington for mayo works. Does Phil go there? You fabricated an argument I wasn't making. I don't like either Tyson Chandler or Raymond Felton but that doesn't mean I'd trade them for any and everything. I've widely criticized Felton as being the worst PG in the league but that didn't mean he wasn't tradeable. He only had 2 years and $16 million on his deal. Was it that unfathomable to think he could be traded with $3 million as a salary dump in 2015? |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
6/26/2014 11:28 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's get one thing straight... Shane Larkin is a legit prospect. He's no Fred Jones!!! If you ever saw Larkin play you'd know that he's a much better prospect than Jones. Larkin has legit NBA talent. I wanted the Knicks to get this kid in the draft and i'm happy to see we get a chance to see if we can develop him.RELEVANT ADVANCED STATS: 3.4% steal percentage. Impressive for a guy his size. Omer Asik didn't want to be in Houston either. The Rockets managed to get an $8 million trade exception for him AND a 1st round pick from a perennial lottery team. I don't care for Tyson Chandler but we should've done better in maximizing Tyson Chandler's trade value. |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
6/26/2014 11:36 AM
NardDogNation wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's get one thing straight... Shane Larkin is a legit prospect. He's no Fred Jones!!! If you ever saw Larkin play you'd know that he's a much better prospect than Jones. Larkin has legit NBA talent. I wanted the Knicks to get this kid in the draft and i'm happy to see we get a chance to see if we can develop him.RELEVANT ADVANCED STATS: 3.4% steal percentage. Impressive for a guy his size. They took Raymond from off our hands you take that deal and run. No offense but I'm with Phil on this one |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
6/26/2014 11:48 AM
fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:then please tell me what you do with Ray Felton who makes $4mm then? Do you forget about him? Because he was the worst PG in the NBA last year. He defended nobody and is the albatross on our roster. Your options are cut him and pay him or trade him in a package. In this case that package got us a better starter who is good floor general and one of the leagues best sharp shooters.StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I think everybody that is upset about calderon's contract is going overboard. Yes I dont love teh contract but its not like he makes amare/bargs money. We will still have plenty of cap spacetkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow By virtue of Felton being the worst PG in the league, we could have easily upgraded the position with a minimum salaried player. Hell, we could've traded Shumpert for Collision just this past season, so upgrading the position was not some impossible feat. The fact is that Felton only has 2 years and $16 million left on his contract. He's an awful player but by the last year of the deal, his play becomes irrelevant and his value as an expirer comes into play. Considering that he'd only be making $4 million, is it that unreasonable to presume that we could've moved him and $3 million in a salary dump? Instead, what we did is acquire a 33 year old, owed $22 million (unless Phil already has something up his sleeve). That isn't smart managing. For all of Tyson Chandler's flaws, he was a respected player around the league, which is evident by the recognition he gets for being the key piece to the Mavericks championship run and his DPOY award. You don't sell low on that, especially when the worst case scenario is that he walks away for nothing (which ain't all that bad considering our circumstances). If the offers we were getting sucked, we should've held onto him and pumped up his value to move him at the deadline. Do you have any doubt that he would've played very well in his contract year, especially considering how well he played before getting injured last season? At the moment, I just think the fanbase is happy to see any kind of change because of how bad we were last season. But there is bad change and there is good change. With those factors considered, I think this is bad change and reminiscent of when we moved Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford as they were peaking. |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
6/26/2014 11:54 AM
gunsnewing wrote:NardDogNation wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's get one thing straight... Shane Larkin is a legit prospect. He's no Fred Jones!!! If you ever saw Larkin play you'd know that he's a much better prospect than Jones. Larkin has legit NBA talent. I wanted the Knicks to get this kid in the draft and i'm happy to see we get a chance to see if we can develop him.RELEVANT ADVANCED STATS: 3.4% steal percentage. Impressive for a guy his size. I respect that but feel that we took Calderon off their hands too. Yes, Felton sucked but his contract was manageable. Like I said before, is it that unimaginable to package him in his last year with $3 million to dump on another team with cap space? We could've focused on getting better assets from Tyson and still gotten rid of Felton through this process. Like I said to another poster, I'll try to stop being a Debbie Downer because what is done is done BUT I suspect that there will be plenty more people in my camp by game 41. All we need is time to figure out how this will play out. |