Just how good was Lin in 2012-2013?

Morey’s analysis, as always, is backed up by the numbers. Jeremy Lin was indeed the 5th best NBA pick-and-roll point guard in terms of points created for the roll man, setting up Rocket screeners nicely as they cut to the basket. This stat is even more impressive considering the somewhat limited offensive skillset of the recipient of most of those passes, Omer Asik. As I laid out in my last piece, the pick-and-roll is a fundamental part of the Rockets’ offense, and with Dwight Howard now on the floor, Lin and the Rockets will only become more dangerous in this facet of the game.

Lin was a good distributor of the ball in other parts of the offense last season too, dishing out 497 total assists (15th best in the NBA) at 6.1 assists per game (20th best). The majority of Lin’s assists led to dunks, close shots and three-pointers, showing both his ability to set teammates up for high quality shots that fit the game plan and his competence in running the fast break.

As a creator of his own offense, his performance dipped compared to his hot streak on the Knicks — Jeremy’s points per possession in isolations went down from 1.02 to 0.68. However, one thing that stood out was his ability to draw fouls while in the act of shooting. He finished 12th among point guards in And1% (And1s/FGA), and 17th in free throw rate (FTA/FGA), putting him above the likes of Kyrie Irving in both categories.

Lin was effective defensively too, and is probably a bit underrated in that part of the game. While he seemed to struggle staying in front of some of the quicker guards, Lin still contributed 1.6 steals per game (11th best among PGs in the NBA), 0.35 blocks per game (also 11th best), and took 0.27 charges per game (12th best among PGs). When you combine the previous 3 stats into a jumbo defensive rating, Lin was the 9th best defensive PG in the NBA.

http://toondad.blogspot.com/2012/11/jeremy-lin-is-excellent-defender.html

VCoug wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

VCoug wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Houston is the best scenario at this point. Parsons asik and picks. Parsons is interested in improving his "brand" so I think NY would appeal to him.

We wouldn't be able to get Parsons because Houston declined his option making him a RFA. That means we would have to agree to a S&T and we can't receive S&T players because we're too far over the cap.

I thought we could still do sign and trades, we just had less leeway in getting the salaries to match?

This new cba is such a head f***!

Wouldn't we not be over the cap if we traded melo??

Even if we took back $0 salary in any Melo deal our cap number would still be $77M, about $13M over the projected cap for next year.

The salary cap is increasing by $5 million. That means that the luxury tax and apron should increase as well accordingly. $78 million should be the new threshold if all things remain consistent.

fitzfarm wrote:If melo leaves I would love for him to go to Houston. We could get Lin back and dump Felton on them as well... Houston would be a disaster with Howard,harden,melo... And I would love every second of it plus I'd love to see Lin,jr,shump,amare,brags with Timmy 6th, hoping we trade Tyson for draft picks screw that duche as well. In a rebuild year not bad

Morey has been an analytics guru and has seldom made personnel/trade mistakes. What makes you think that you'd have more insight into the virtues of a Harden-Melo-Howard trifecta than him?

gunsnewing wrote:

franco12 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Great give us Asik and Lin and picks. I like Parsons but I don't want him hogging space after 2015. He wants north of 10 mil a year. No thanks at that price.

+1 on all points. If they will include Parsons, great but it would be only so we could trade him. He's a nice player but he's about to be badly overpaid.

Melo for Lin, Parsons, 2 first round picks (which would prob be around 25 to 30), and returning our 2 second round picks (2014, 2015) would be reasonable. Those second round picks might be around 35. I'd love to get more but don't see it happening.

I'd rather have Asik than Lin- not sure if Lin would suit the triangle, plus I think you could actually move Asik on and get a pick or something.

No one prefer striking a deal with the Bulls than the Rockets?

I think Lin is the perfect PG for the triangle- you need to be smart.

Look what he did in the last system he ran in!

I bet if we swap Melo for Lin & filler - we end up with a better record next year than this past season.

Agreed. I'm sure Phil and fisher know this

We would have a much better record than we did his year with melo

So Melo, the guy who had taken a 19 win roster into the playoffs for the Nuggets, is all of a sudden the reason we sucked last year?

nixluva wrote:You guys are over thinking this PG thing. You don't really need a "PG" as much as you need a player who can at the least be a threat. Lin is enough of a threat to keep the defense moving. Also Lin is a better defender than people give him credit for.

Just how good was Lin in 2012-2013?

Morey’s analysis, as always, is backed up by the numbers. Jeremy Lin was indeed the 5th best NBA pick-and-roll point guard in terms of points created for the roll man, setting up Rocket screeners nicely as they cut to the basket. This stat is even more impressive considering the somewhat limited offensive skillset of the recipient of most of those passes, Omer Asik. As I laid out in my last piece, the pick-and-roll is a fundamental part of the Rockets’ offense, and with Dwight Howard now on the floor, Lin and the Rockets will only become more dangerous in this facet of the game.

Lin was a good distributor of the ball in other parts of the offense last season too, dishing out 497 total assists (15th best in the NBA) at 6.1 assists per game (20th best). The majority of Lin’s assists led to dunks, close shots and three-pointers, showing both his ability to set teammates up for high quality shots that fit the game plan and his competence in running the fast break.

As a creator of his own offense, his performance dipped compared to his hot streak on the Knicks — Jeremy’s points per possession in isolations went down from 1.02 to 0.68. However, one thing that stood out was his ability to draw fouls while in the act of shooting. He finished 12th among point guards in And1% (And1s/FGA), and 17th in free throw rate (FTA/FGA), putting him above the likes of Kyrie Irving in both categories.

Lin was effective defensively too, and is probably a bit underrated in that part of the game. While he seemed to struggle staying in front of some of the quicker guards, Lin still contributed 1.6 steals per game (11th best among PGs in the NBA), 0.35 blocks per game (also 11th best), and took 0.27 charges per game (12th best among PGs). When you combine the previous 3 stats into a jumbo defensive rating, Lin was the 9th best defensive PG in the NBA.

http://toondad.blogspot.com/2012/11/jeremy-lin-is-excellent-defender.html

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NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

franco12 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Great give us Asik and Lin and picks. I like Parsons but I don't want him hogging space after 2015. He wants north of 10 mil a year. No thanks at that price.

+1 on all points. If they will include Parsons, great but it would be only so we could trade him. He's a nice player but he's about to be badly overpaid.

Melo for Lin, Parsons, 2 first round picks (which would prob be around 25 to 30), and returning our 2 second round picks (2014, 2015) would be reasonable. Those second round picks might be around 35. I'd love to get more but don't see it happening.

I'd rather have Asik than Lin- not sure if Lin would suit the triangle, plus I think you could actually move Asik on and get a pick or something.

No one prefer striking a deal with the Bulls than the Rockets?

I think Lin is the perfect PG for the triangle- you need to be smart.

Look what he did in the last system he ran in!

I bet if we swap Melo for Lin & filler - we end up with a better record next year than this past season.

Agreed. I'm sure Phil and fisher know this

We would have a much better record than we did his year with melo

So Melo, the guy who had taken a 19 win roster into the playoffs for the Nuggets, is all of a sudden the reason we sucked last year?

Papabear Says

I hope he just sign and walk away with us getting nothing back. Like I said Phil turned Melo off by what he said in the media. Now lets see what Phil can do. We don't need Melo you just want him gone. TkF would be willing to give up a draft pick to see him gone. It's gonna take Phil more than 5 years in order to make the knicks a champ.

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

franco12 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Great give us Asik and Lin and picks. I like Parsons but I don't want him hogging space after 2015. He wants north of 10 mil a year. No thanks at that price.

+1 on all points. If they will include Parsons, great but it would be only so we could trade him. He's a nice player but he's about to be badly overpaid.

Melo for Lin, Parsons, 2 first round picks (which would prob be around 25 to 30), and returning our 2 second round picks (2014, 2015) would be reasonable. Those second round picks might be around 35. I'd love to get more but don't see it happening.

I'd rather have Asik than Lin- not sure if Lin would suit the triangle, plus I think you could actually move Asik on and get a pick or something.

No one prefer striking a deal with the Bulls than the Rockets?

I think Lin is the perfect PG for the triangle- you need to be smart.

Look what he did in the last system he ran in!

I bet if we swap Melo for Lin & filler - we end up with a better record next year than this past season.

Agreed. I'm sure Phil and fisher know this

We would have a much better record than we did his year with melo

So Melo, the guy who had taken a 19 win roster into the playoffs for the Nuggets, is all of a sudden the reason we sucked last year?

Papabear Says

I hope he just sign and walk away with us getting nothing back. Like I said Phil turned Melo off by what he said in the media. Now lets see what Phil can do. We don't need Melo you just want him gone. TkF would be willing to give up a draft pick to see him gone. It's gonna take Phil more than 5 years in order to make the knicks a champ.

So you'd be willing to see us suck, just to prove a point? I think that Phil has gone about this poorly by venting too much to the media but Melo needs to accept some responsibility in all of this. I find it so ironic that he wants to be a free agent now but was more than willing to compromise our team to get him, just 3 years earlier. Had he been willing to give up a $2-$3 million per year, we would've been able to use that same package to acquire CP3. In spite of that, I do sympathize with Melo but he is certainly no "good guy" in all of this.

gunsnewing wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Melo on Houston would just be terrible...

It would be- Melo and Harden are not defensive monsters, to put it lightly! A void of leadership, and not enough shots to go round.

Exactly. I was thinking from the view of us getting nothing back for him though which is why I thought it'd be so bad. But Melo and Harden just don't seem like a good fit to me.

Durant and Harden fit just fine. Not sure why Melo and Harden would be such a stretch.

Exactly if anything harden is more of a playmaker than Westbrook

He's not a good defender and he can hold the ball just as much as melo. Melo is good with catching and shooting so if he buys into that then they shouldn't be too bad but right now I just don't know

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

franco12 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Great give us Asik and Lin and picks. I like Parsons but I don't want him hogging space after 2015. He wants north of 10 mil a year. No thanks at that price.

+1 on all points. If they will include Parsons, great but it would be only so we could trade him. He's a nice player but he's about to be badly overpaid.

Melo for Lin, Parsons, 2 first round picks (which would prob be around 25 to 30), and returning our 2 second round picks (2014, 2015) would be reasonable. Those second round picks might be around 35. I'd love to get more but don't see it happening.

I'd rather have Asik than Lin- not sure if Lin would suit the triangle, plus I think you could actually move Asik on and get a pick or something.

No one prefer striking a deal with the Bulls than the Rockets?

I think Lin is the perfect PG for the triangle- you need to be smart.

Look what he did in the last system he ran in!

I bet if we swap Melo for Lin & filler - we end up with a better record next year than this past season.

Agreed. I'm sure Phil and fisher know this

We would have a much better record than we did his year with melo

So Melo, the guy who had taken a 19 win roster into the playoffs for the Nuggets, is all of a sudden the reason we sucked last year?

Papabear Says

I hope he just sign and walk away with us getting nothing back. Like I said Phil turned Melo off by what he said in the media. Now lets see what Phil can do. We don't need Melo you just want him gone. TkF would be willing to give up a draft pick to see him gone. It's gonna take Phil more than 5 years in order to make the knicks a champ.

So you'd be willing to see us suck, just to prove a point? I think that Phil has gone about this poorly by venting too much to the media but Melo needs to accept some responsibility in all of this. I find it so ironic that he wants to be a free agent now but was more than willing to compromise our team to get him, just 3 years earlier. Had he been willing to give up a $2-$3 million per year, we would've been able to use that same package to acquire CP3. In spite of that, I do sympathize with Melo but he is certainly no "good guy" in all of this.

Papabear Says

I hear what you are saying. It makes sense.