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knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

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mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.

But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..

If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.

Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..

Amare has played 2100 minutes in the last two seasons and has had a cap hold of over 20 million both of those seasons. And he is due 22 mil next year. Some of Amare's problems were self inflicted but Amare's knees broke down three years before the end of his contract. Maybe the Knicks can nurse him along again next year and get 50+ games and 1000 minutes but they are paying a kings ransom for it and Amare's potential to have very serious problem with his knees was known when the only team that would offer him a max deal was the knicks.

So the fact that he change the culture and attracted some pretty good players to join him in the process, not to mention the team has had more success (since he jumped on bored), then they have had in 13 yrs. Lets talk about all the national televise games, sold out MSG.

Whatever the case maybe, he did more good than bad, The team was getting better every year until this bull sht yr, and he was actually a bright spot down the stretch. This dude literally strapped the franchise on his back, took us out the grave made us respectable..fck the 20 million, the franchise is attractive, it's got a decent future ahead, and he can be a solid role player for us.

I's not like amre is a bad influence, lazy and doesn't give sht, cmon the dude spent like a $1000 a min trying to learn new post moves, while JR was riding bikes in the city, and felton was in every club in the city

You think phil is coming here with out melo, you think melo is coming here with out Amare..It's a wise investment from so many prospectives..Thinking outside the box.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.

But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..

If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.

Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..

Amare has played 2100 minutes in the last two seasons and has had a cap hold of over 20 million both of those seasons. And he is due 22 mil next year. Some of Amare's problems were self inflicted but Amare's knees broke down three years before the end of his contract. Maybe the Knicks can nurse him along again next year and get 50+ games and 1000 minutes but they are paying a kings ransom for it and Amare's potential to have very serious problem with his knees was known when the only team that would offer him a max deal was the knicks.

So the fact that he change the culture and attracted some pretty good players to join him in the process, not to mention the team has had more success (since he jumped on bored), then they have had in 13 yrs. Lets talk about all the national televise games, sold out MSG.

Whatever the case maybe, he did more good than bad, The team was getting better every year until this bull sht yr, and he was actually a bright spot down the stretch. This dude literally strapped the franchise on his back, took us out the grave made us respectable..fck the 20 million, the franchise is attractive, it's got a decent future ahead, and he can be a solid role player for us.

I's not like amre is a bad influence, lazy and doesn't give sht, cmon the dude spent like a $1000 a min trying to learn new post moves, while JR was riding bikes in the city, and felton was in every club in the city

You think phil is coming here with out melo, you think melo is coming here with out Amare..It's a wise investment from so many prospectives..Thinking outside the box.

Amare's work ethic and character can't be questioned. But he was signed to a superstar contract for the max salary and the max length despite the deal not being able to be insured and doctors advising the suns not to sign him for the length of the Knicks deal because his knees wouldn't hold up. So did the McGrady trade for cap space hurt the Knicks? Did the lee sign and trade for cap space hurt the Knicks? Does getting a healthy amare for 2/3 of a season out weigh all of the players and assets moved to get the player that ended up to be amare? How about the inability to make trades because they have max money invested in a guy that averages a thousand minutes a year?

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.

But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..

If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.

Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..

Amare has played 2100 minutes in the last two seasons and has had a cap hold of over 20 million both of those seasons. And he is due 22 mil next year. Some of Amare's problems were self inflicted but Amare's knees broke down three years before the end of his contract. Maybe the Knicks can nurse him along again next year and get 50+ games and 1000 minutes but they are paying a kings ransom for it and Amare's potential to have very serious problem with his knees was known when the only team that would offer him a max deal was the knicks.

So the fact that he change the culture and attracted some pretty good players to join him in the process, not to mention the team has had more success (since he jumped on bored), then they have had in 13 yrs. Lets talk about all the national televise games, sold out MSG.

Whatever the case maybe, he did more good than bad, The team was getting better every year until this bull sht yr, and he was actually a bright spot down the stretch. This dude literally strapped the franchise on his back, took us out the grave made us respectable..fck the 20 million, the franchise is attractive, it's got a decent future ahead, and he can be a solid role player for us.

I's not like amre is a bad influence, lazy and doesn't give sht, cmon the dude spent like a $1000 a min trying to learn new post moves, while JR was riding bikes in the city, and felton was in every club in the city

You think phil is coming here with out melo, you think melo is coming here with out Amare..It's a wise investment from so many prospectives..Thinking outside the box.

Amare's work ethic and character can't be questioned. But he was signed to a superstar contract for the max salary and the max length despite the deal not being able to be insured and doctors advising the suns not to sign him for the length of the Knicks deal because his knees wouldn't hold up. So did the McGrady trade for cap space hurt the Knicks? Did the lee sign and trade for cap space hurt the Knicks? Does getting a healthy amare for 2/3 of a season out weigh all of the players and assets moved to get the player that ended up to be amare? How about the inability to make trades because they have max money invested in a guy that averages a thousand minutes a year?

Your saying nobody was going to give him that money, well my friend, nobody was coming to the knicks either, we had a bad track record..

When you have bad credit, you pay higher interest and thats what we had to pay in order to become a better team. We had to over pay Amare to become relevant.

How healthy has gallo and chandler been, what about lee..Even we gave amare the 86 mill the suns had on the table, if his knees are bad, no ones going to add him on their roster regardless..

But if phil is smart he will keep amare

[/Phil Jackson sent out a cryptic tweet in response to the $25,000 fine he received from the NBA for tampering with Derek Fisher, indicating he was “chagrined.’’ Jackson was fined Monday for making comments last Friday about Fisher being on his coaching candidate list.
Fisher is still under contract with the Thunder, who would like to have him back as a player and unofficial assistant coach. The Post reported Oklahoma City filed a complaint with the NBA over Jackson’s overtures.
Jackson’s tweet:

Undaunted by "stuff" we will continue to have a relationship with the press, which informs our fan base#chagrined

Jackson’s message is he will continue to reach the fan base through the media despite a fine that seemed petty. In his meeting with the team beat writers last Friday, Jackson at first was reluctant to talk about Fisher.
“I’m not allowed to say boo, I think,’’ Jackson said. “I said B-O and I didn’t get the other ‘O’ out and the league already called me up.’’
When pressed, Jackson relented.
“I have no idea if he wants to come here and move his family,’’ Jackson said. “These are things he has to express. There’s so many unknowns and I’m not talking to him. But he’s definitely a person on my list of guys who could be very good candidates for this job.’’
Jackson needs to get permission from the Thunder to speak with Fisher, who said late Saturday night he would only need a few days before addressing his future. Fisher and Jackson were expected to speak by week’s end.
Nets general manager Billy King, during a press conference Wednesday at their free-agent mini-camp, didn’t want to make the same mistake as Jackson when asked if Fisher could make the transition from player to coach like Jason Kidd did smoothly.
“I can’t comment on Derek,’’ King said. “He’s [going to be] a free agent.’’quote]