WP76 wrote:Say what you will about Durant and Westbrook but they're better than anyone on NY's current roster.

I doubt that, when JR (he's not a pg so i wouldn't expect him to facilitate) is playing at a high level he's just as good as westbrook, and melo can score with anybody on the planet, and i'll take tyson over perkins and adams any day of the wk.

The difference is ibaka, make no mistake about, on both ends

knicks1248 wrote:

WP76 wrote:Say what you will about Durant and Westbrook but they're better than anyone on NY's current roster.

I doubt that, when JR (he's not a pg so i wouldn't expect him to facilitate) is playing at a high level he's just as good as westbrook, and melo can score with anybody on the planet, and i'll take tyson over perkins and adams any day of the wk.

The difference is ibaka, make no mistake about, on both ends

I simply disagree with the statement that JR is consistently in the same stratosphere as Westbrook let alone "as good as" and leave it at that.

Note I didn't say anything about Tyson, Perkins, Adams, etc. as I'd take Chandler over any Thunder big man except Ibaka, obviously. Westbrook has an athleticism that Melo can't touch and he gets his points on far fewer shots than Melo does. Westbrook has shown himself to be a distinctly better player with the game on the line than Melo ever has. While I realize it's a team game, add in that Westbrook has also won about six times as many playoff series as Melo in fewer years in the league.

Ira wrote:I don't know much about the triangle, but from what I hear you have less need for a pg who sets other players up. So, since we're going in that direction, I'd be happy with Westbrook.

It also doesn't involve a pg that will go 1 on 5 either.

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

you infantilize melo. the guy has made a series of bad decisions and dumb statements and now should be willing to pay the price here or elsewhere. the knicks are not obliged to bail this guy out and frankly it would be counterproductive to do so.

he has no help-- no he needs to be the help.
he was run into the ground by his coach-- no he needs to get in better shape and let the game come to him like all the great players do. you expend less energy that way.

better shape???? Please coming better then that, "for crying out loud" your either being naive or bias.

Every media outlet in the NBA was questioning woodsons over use of melo..second in the league in minutes

I completely agree with the decisions he makes are very questionable, but i've said the same thing about westbrook, kobe, jordan, wade, ect.. these are guys who can score and have the ball in their hands majority of the time.

What you should always remember, how many rings did these players win with out THAT COACH..they were just scorers that tried to win games by themselves.

I'm not even a big FAN of melo or his overall game, but I'm smart enough to realize all melo needs is a leader around him, some one to raise his IQ.. Winning is a culture, talent is just 50% of the puzzle.

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

you infantilize melo. the guy has made a series of bad decisions and dumb statements and now should be willing to pay the price here or elsewhere. the knicks are not obliged to bail this guy out and frankly it would be counterproductive to do so.

he has no help-- no he needs to be the help.
he was run into the ground by his coach-- no he needs to get in better shape and let the game come to him like all the great players do. you expend less energy that way.

better shape???? Please coming better then that, "for crying out loud" your either being naive or bias.

Every media outlet in the NBA was questioning woodsons over use of melo..second in the league in minutes

I completely agree with the decisions he makes are very questionable, but i've said the same thing about westbrook, kobe, jordan, wade, ect.. these are guys who can score and have the ball in their hands majority of the time.

What you should always remember, how many rings did these players win with out THAT COACH..they were just scorers that tried to win games by themselves.

I'm not even a big FAN of melo or his overall game, but I'm smart enough to realize all melo needs is a leader around him, some one to raise his IQ.. Winning is a culture, talent is just 50% of the puzzle.

"winning is a culture" it is not clear what this means. i think you can establish a winning culture by being ordered from the top down and fleshed out with responsible, no BS men and women who are very smart, unselfish, and share a common agenda. as long as that piece of shyte dolan stays away, there is a chance of creating a winning culture... but it takes more time than melo will want, especially when you demand that he work at a drastic discount. i am not talking taking a 25,000,000 hit. i am talking 50+ million.

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

I have taken 12+ seasons of carmelo into consideration..

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

oh so after 12 years he is now willing to do that.. although he has been paid a fortune to be the type of guy to figure this out and act upon it long ago.. really?

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

so now woodson is horrible.. LOL.. Ok... I thought he was not good when he first took the job, but carmelo cosigned him as did many knick fans.. carmelo being horrible in the clutch has little to do with how many minutes he has played.. maybe he should get in better shape..

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

just goes to show how much of a douchebag he is... he will take a pay cut and play the right way as long as he agrees with the future plans? fck him!!! I mean really? so now he will only do the right thing if his terms are met? wow!!!

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

I have absolutely no idea what to make of that comment...

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

that is just a myth.. tell me what teams other than the knicks are willing to gut their teams.. what teams would love to have carmelo? this is the typical overrating of this guy.. do you really think teams are that dumb, like us, to gut their team for this guy.. please start naming the teams... I would love to hear this... so you think that wanting to rebuild is ignorant? and tell me how well have we done with carmelo.. give me role players because we could have accomplished the same thing this year without carmelo.. I guarantee you that... It seems as if you are misguided.. carmelo is not the type of player you think he is.. after 13 years the proof is there, you just ignore it..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

hate is a strong word, but I will run with that.. the reason why I don't like him, extends beyond those reasons... not sure how a coach is supposed to raise a players IQ, but so far it seems as if you are putting everything on the coach.. and if that is the case, we should be paying top dollar for a great coach, not some overrated player.. don't you think?

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

what does lin and amare have to do with this?

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

westbrook is one of the more intense, hardworking players in the league, his energy is infectious , the thunder clearly feed off that.. westbrook has been to the finals, he leads with his play on the court.. more than anything carmelo has done while in a knick uniform..

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

huh? how about carmelo being help actually.. then he will have the right to cry for help..

Westbrook is a really good player. Not a great PG but a great scorer and defender. He would greatly benefit from playing with another facilitator

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

I have taken 12+ seasons of carmelo into consideration..

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

oh so after 12 years he is now willing to do that.. although he has been paid a fortune to be the type of guy to figure this out and act upon it long ago.. really?

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

so now woodson is horrible.. LOL.. Ok... I thought he was not good when he first took the job, but carmelo cosigned him as did many knick fans.. carmelo being horrible in the clutch has little to do with how many minutes he has played.. maybe he should get in better shape..

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

just goes to show how much of a douchebag he is... he will take a pay cut and play the right way as long as he agrees with the future plans? fck him!!! I mean really? so now he will only do the right thing if his terms are met? wow!!!

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

I have absolutely no idea what to make of that comment...

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

that is just a myth.. tell me what teams other than the knicks are willing to gut their teams.. what teams would love to have carmelo? this is the typical overrating of this guy.. do you really think teams are that dumb, like us, to gut their team for this guy.. please start naming the teams... I would love to hear this... so you think that wanting to rebuild is ignorant? and tell me how well have we done with carmelo.. give me role players because we could have accomplished the same thing this year without carmelo.. I guarantee you that... It seems as if you are misguided.. carmelo is not the type of player you think he is.. after 13 years the proof is there, you just ignore it..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

hate is a strong word, but I will run with that.. the reason why I don't like him, extends beyond those reasons... not sure how a coach is supposed to raise a players IQ, but so far it seems as if you are putting everything on the coach.. and if that is the case, we should be paying top dollar for a great coach, not some overrated player.. don't you think?

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

what does lin and amare have to do with this?

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

westbrook is one of the more intense, hardworking players in the league, his energy is infectious , the thunder clearly feed off that.. westbrook has been to the finals, he leads with his play on the court.. more than anything carmelo has done while in a knick uniform..

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

huh? how about carmelo being help actually.. then he will have the right to cry for help..

your saying that you don't understand how a coach raises a players IQ, come on now, you seem like a smart person making silly comments..the coach is the teacher, the leader, jordan was a dumb scoring machine before phil TEACHED HIM WINNING BASKETBALL, same for kobe.

LBJ took a pay cut to play with the right players, and a franchise with the right plan, but melo's the douche bag, this franchise has been trash since Dolan took over.

Melo has not been in the league for 13 yrs, unless your talking DOG yrs.

BUT MORE IMPORTANT, if you think Westbrook is an erratic athletic freak who could lead a team to a championship by himself, I would Love to sell the sht your smoking, maybe i can buy a team for 2 bill with my profits instead of wrkg for a half ass decent wage.

BTW we payed Top dollar for MDA, and Larry B..2 coaches that had great success before this franchise took them under.

Maybe I was over the top with teams willing to gut it out for melo, but trust and believe, every non playoff team, and first rnd Knock off will consider it.

I would love for melo to stay, but like phil, I would lose ZERO sleep if he walked, none whatsoever.

I like westbrook, love his game, but he's no different then melo at this point in his career

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'll walk away from this discussion by saying I believe Westbrook is better at his position than Melo is at his. You probably disagree but so be it.

i AGREE with you 100% here...

Why would you agree with this without taken every thing into consideration, when it comes to melo, and westbrook.

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

4)Melo would easily avg 40 if he played with KD, and westbrook would be another marbury if he was on the knicks current roster.

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

I have taken 12+ seasons of carmelo into consideration..

1)The fact that Melo went on record (once phil got here) and said he was willing to change his game if phil saw away it can improve him and his chances of winning a champioship.

oh so after 12 years he is now willing to do that.. although he has been paid a fortune to be the type of guy to figure this out and act upon it long ago.. really?

2)Melo was horrible in the clutch, but the assine coach who palyed him 45 min ppg and expected his legs not to turn into noodles down the stretch was more to blame. he just played hard didn't complain and tried to carry a fragile minded team.

so now woodson is horrible.. LOL.. Ok... I thought he was not good when he first took the job, but carmelo cosigned him as did many knick fans.. carmelo being horrible in the clutch has little to do with how many minutes he has played.. maybe he should get in better shape..

3)Not only did melo go on record to say he would take a pay cut to play here if they would show him some kind of a solid future plan, and not some rebuilding project, he's made it very clear NYK is his first option

just goes to show how much of a douchebag he is... he will take a pay cut and play the right way as long as he agrees with the future plans? fck him!!! I mean really? so now he will only do the right thing if his terms are met? wow!!!

5)It's the coach that makes the player, the player doesn't make the coach (unless your byron scott)

I have absolutely no idea what to make of that comment...

6)while every team in the league would love to have melo,(some willing to gut their teams) we have a few ignorant/mis guided fans here that think we would be better with role players, and a 10 yr rebuilding process that we just witness 3 yrs ago..

that is just a myth.. tell me what teams other than the knicks are willing to gut their teams.. what teams would love to have carmelo? this is the typical overrating of this guy.. do you really think teams are that dumb, like us, to gut their team for this guy.. please start naming the teams... I would love to hear this... so you think that wanting to rebuild is ignorant? and tell me how well have we done with carmelo.. give me role players because we could have accomplished the same thing this year without carmelo.. I guarantee you that... It seems as if you are misguided.. carmelo is not the type of player you think he is.. after 13 years the proof is there, you just ignore it..

7)the ppl who hate melo primarily hate him for 2 reasons, he failed us in the clutch big time this season, and he doesn't seem to make anyone better around him. Once again the system dictates the players reaction, the coach is suppose to raise the players IQ not the other way around

hate is a strong word, but I will run with that.. the reason why I don't like him, extends beyond those reasons... not sure how a coach is supposed to raise a players IQ, but so far it seems as if you are putting everything on the coach.. and if that is the case, we should be paying top dollar for a great coach, not some overrated player.. don't you think?

8)Clearly Woodson ran melo into the ground, but no one takes that into acct, clearly MDA ran both LIN and Amre into the ground, but that gets more consideration then woodson sorry ass plan

what does lin and amare have to do with this?

9)Melo nor westbrook has shown any type of leadership skills (was melo doing the 3 to the dome before wallace started doing it)both of these guys are just big piece to a championship team, there not leaders by any shape fashion or form.

westbrook is one of the more intense, hardworking players in the league, his energy is infectious , the thunder clearly feed off that.. westbrook has been to the finals, he leads with his play on the court.. more than anything carmelo has done while in a knick uniform..

10)Where were the melo haters last yr, towards the end of the season all I heard is melo has no help, and woodson made us look like a fluke team when the playoffs started

huh? how about carmelo being help actually.. then he will have the right to cry for help..

your saying that you don't understand how a coach raises a players IQ, come on now, you seem like a smart person making silly comments..the coach is the teacher, the leader, jordan was a dumb scoring machine before phil TEACHED HIM WINNING BASKETBALL, same for kobe.

LBJ took a pay cut to play with the right players, and a franchise with the right plan, but melo's the douche bag, this franchise has been trash since Dolan took over.

Melo has not been in the league for 13 yrs, unless your talking DOG yrs.

BUT MORE IMPORTANT, if you think Westbrook is an erratic athletic freak who could lead a team to a championship by himself, I would Love to sell the sht your smoking, maybe i can buy a team for 2 bill with my profits instead of wrkg for a half ass decent wage.

BTW we payed Top dollar for MDA, and Larry B..2 coaches that had great success before this franchise took them under.

Maybe I was over the top with teams willing to gut it out for melo, but trust and believe, every non playoff team, and first rnd Knock off will consider it.

I would love for melo to stay, but like phil, I would lose ZERO sleep if he walked, none whatsoever.

I like westbrook, love his game, but he's no different then melo at this point in his career

pretty sure melo is in for a bit of a surprise-- he will not find suitors willing to pay him what he believes he deserves, which will in turn give jackson the leverage necessary to lowball our hero.

do you see melo and rose co-existing? that's laughable. do you see melo busting his azz for thibidoux? hilarious.
do you see melo bolting to a losing team in the sticks? ego ego ego
do you see melo and harden co-existing?

put yourself in melo's shoes: if you could get paid every last cent you felt you were owed, what are your top three destinations?

100% agree, but time and time again, he said it's not about money at this point in his career..

Carmelo Anthony net worth and salary: Carmelo Anthony is a Brooklyn-born professional basketball player who has a net worth of $80 million dollars. destine for another 100 mill in the next 4 yrs with the most minimal contract..

IronWillGiroud wrote:so true, he's a great player and great players come at a price

he's not a great player.

back up your assertion with facts... otherwise it's bloviating.