holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:2 more words: Pat Riely. Money grab with the ownership stake in Miami team or long term smart move?

Stupid deal for the owner...Bron isn't in Miami because of Riley..

Laughable. Go check the timelines

If Riley was in Milwaukee do you think Bron would be there too??

Dude, you are not making sense. I didn't claim that so no need to make up wild-ass scenarios. Stick with what actually happened.

So what timelines are you taking about like it matters that Riley was running the show in Maimi..Like that was the deciding factor for Bron...Riley without Bron is just another so, so GM...

What? He won a chip before Lebron came. How many current GM's can say they won a championship?

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:2 more words: Pat Riely. Money grab with the ownership stake in Miami team or long term smart move?

Stupid deal for the owner...Bron isn't in Miami because of Riley..

Laughable. Go check the timelines

If Riley was in Milwaukee do you think Bron would be there too??

Dude, you are not making sense. I didn't claim that so no need to make up wild-ass scenarios. Stick with what actually happened.

So what timelines are you taking about like it matters that Riley was running the show in Maimi..Like that was the deciding factor for Bron...Riley without Bron is just another so, so GM...

I know some cats cant stand management actually being the driving force for success...but it is.

Riley built that team...exactly what Phil wants to do.

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:2 more words: Pat Riely. Money grab with the ownership stake in Miami team or long term smart move?

Stupid deal for the owner...Bron isn't in Miami because of Riley..

Laughable. Go check the timelines

If Riley was in Milwaukee do you think Bron would be there too??

Dude, you are not making sense. I didn't claim that so no need to make up wild-ass scenarios. Stick with what actually happened.

So what timelines are you taking about like it matters that Riley was running the show in Maimi..Like that was the deciding factor for Bron...Riley without Bron is just another so, so GM...

What? He won a chip before Lebron came. How many current GM's can say they won a championship?

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

What that even with a "paycut" Melo will still likely making roughly twice as much as the GM and 4 times as much as the coach?

Doesn't matter..Point is that the marquee guy is willing to take less than his market value while the guy telling him to so wants 2 to 3 times more than their value...Hypocrites...

SALARY CAP!!!!!

Do you think they would have a problem giving him the max if it was not for cap flexibility?

Why does it always be about proposed Melo slights?

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

What that even with a "paycut" Melo will still likely making roughly twice as much as the GM and 4 times as much as the coach?

Doesn't matter..Point is that the marquee guy is willing to take less than his market value while the guy telling him to so wants 2 to 3 times more than their value...Hypocrites...

Melo needs to take less even if you were the coach, no player wins alone.

Lol at his market value, the only player playing below their value is LeBron.

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

What that even with a "paycut" Melo will still likely making roughly twice as much as the GM and 4 times as much as the coach?

Doesn't matter..Point is that the marquee guy is willing to take less than his market value while the guy telling him to so wants 2 to 3 times more than their value...Hypocrites...

No, not exactly. It's not hypocrisy. If Melo is serious about getting a competant team around him he needs to take a paycut because of the cap. So it's a choice. Go for the money and understand you won't likely ever win a chip or go for a little less and have a better chance to win.

Management salary isn't negotiated with the constraints of the cap in mind.

I'm well aware of all that..This is still a money grab..If I'm Melo, adjust my salary to be friendly to the cap but I want it all...Like 35 mil in the first year when it doesn't matter to the cap and level after that...I want it all...

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

Kerr has played under two of the best coaches the game has ever seen in Phil and Pop, and was smart enough to flush D'antoni out of Phx by demanding he hire a defensive assistant.

To me that is priceless especially from a basketball team that can afford it

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Dont really feel like making this a Melo thread, so to stay within the lines of the actual topic.....

Kerr has played under two of the best coaches the game has ever seen in Phil and Pop, and was smart enough to flush D'antoni out of Phx by demanding he hire a defensive assistant.

To me that is priceless especially from a basketball team that can afford it

So had Dennis Rodman...Throw in Chuck Daly..Doesn't mean a damn thing...

Winners should get paid...thanks for proving my point.

misterearl wrote:Zero

knickscity - how many games has Steve Kerr won as a coach?

same as mark had prior to gs. you have to start at 0 at some point. jackson was a tv guy too before he got his gig. he had zilch for coaching expr. whats the issue here? if phil wants m jackson in reality, thats fine. if phil wants kerr, ill be curious how that goes. if he wants round 2 for dantoni, no thanks.

$30M and five years is crazy for a rookie coach and you know it.

Yes, he and Mark Jackson started at zero. Jackson took a band of yutes lacking an identity and playing personality to the playoffs. Remind me what Steve Kerr has done again.