holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

when he took a pay cut it was just after he was an all-nba first teamer. his salary went down 2.5 million the year he led his team to the title and was the finals mvp.

melo owes all knicks fans for how the franchise was yanked off course, with a ton of collateral damage, falling well short of the expectations that came with how much he was paid and how many assets were surrendered. plus, how do you do come here like you do, then 3 years later say

"i knew it was going to be a few years to build a team"
"i want to test free agency"
"i am not interested in a rebuild"

care to parse these sentiments? or are you going to tell me that it was up to the coaching staff and the front office to find quality players to fit around him? and if you do say that, knowing that d'antoni is a system guy, then how much sense does it make to bring in the ultimate non-system player?

His contract was structured to spread that money across the length of that deal, you will notice the contract is similar to Melo's deal only that the first two years, Dirk made more money...So you hold Melo accountable, but do you hold Amare for giving us half a season thus far in 4 years, do you hold Walsh responsible for hiring a guy who really isn't a coach but the owner of a system disguising himself as a coach..Do you hold Walsh responsible for all the bad deals he has made since being here?? No picks for ZBo???..Why take on salary for DLee???..Where we had to trade two picks jsut to get under the cap??..I can continue...

never mind the misdirection drivel after the first sentence, as this is your usual way of fluffing melo by attacking others. the point is melo needs to give up a good chunk of change in order for the knicks to justify having him here.

i also note that while you say that dirk has had the better career, you neglect to acknowledge that nowitzki is the superior player.

do you agree that dirk is the superior player? yes no question. not three years later but in the years leading up to his winning the finals mvp, the years where he was voted either first or second all-nba? yes no question.

point is he was overpaid and since he is not nearly the level of a nowitzki, why try to justify his getting nowitzki money, heck even nowitzki discount money?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

when he took a pay cut it was just after he was an all-nba first teamer. his salary went down 2.5 million the year he led his team to the title and was the finals mvp.

melo owes all knicks fans for how the franchise was yanked off course, with a ton of collateral damage, falling well short of the expectations that came with how much he was paid and how many assets were surrendered. plus, how do you do come here like you do, then 3 years later say

"i knew it was going to be a few years to build a team"
"i want to test free agency"
"i am not interested in a rebuild"

care to parse these sentiments? or are you going to tell me that it was up to the coaching staff and the front office to find quality players to fit around him? and if you do say that, knowing that d'antoni is a system guy, then how much sense does it make to bring in the ultimate non-system player?

His contract was structured to spread that money across the length of that deal, you will notice the contract is similar to Melo's deal only that the first two years, Dirk made more money...So you hold Melo accountable, but do you hold Amare for giving us half a season thus far in 4 years, do you hold Walsh responsible for hiring a guy who really isn't a coach but the owner of a system disguising himself as a coach..Do you hold Walsh responsible for all the bad deals he has made since being here?? No picks for ZBo???..Why take on salary for DLee???..Where we had to trade two picks jsut to get under the cap??..I can continue...

never mind the misdirection drivel after the first sentence, as this is your usual way of fluffing melo by attacking others. the point is melo needs to give up a good chunk of change in order for the knicks to justify having him here.

i also note that while you say that dirk has had the better career, you neglect to acknowledge that nowitzki is the superior player.

do you agree that dirk is the superior player? yes no question. not three years later but in the years leading up to his winning the finals mvp, the years where he was voted either first or second all-nba? yes no question.

point is he was overpaid and since he is not nearly the level of a nowitzki, why try to justify his getting nowitzki money, heck even nowitzki discount money?

Are you asking me if Dirk was a superior 4 years ago?? When Melo was 26 and he was 31??..I also have no clue what that has to do with anything...

However, I do not if CA is payed the MAX possible the other years, and with a player option on those years after with an UNDER TABLE agreement to get payed the max after
Try not to include RFA's, because the home team will likely match, and players usually extend for their 1st contract

I do think we are better off trading CA this summer if we can get back 3-4 picks though, while we continue to dilute our assets, acquire picks, and basically suck while implementing a new team philosophy, develop players/continued development, most importantly own our own 2015 pick

2015 FA's
=================

Kevin Love (very possible with Wolves inability to get playoffs)
LaMarcus Aldridge (unlikely with the way the team has played with the youth they have this year especially with the development of Lilliard)

Hibbert/Marc Gasol/DeAndre Jordan

Rhondo/Tony Parker/ Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay (assuming he does not opt out of his 19m+ contract this summer, a deal closer or less to what Monta Ellis is making from 8m+)

Player Options that would likely opt out
Dragic

Aaron Affalo, Gereld Henderson

Thad Young, Jeff Green

Asik, Varajo, Brandon Wright, Brandon Bass,

Jeremy Lin, Nate Robinson, Gary Neal, Eric Gordon (unlikely to opt out of his 15m max year),

Danny Green, Gereld Green, Wesley Mathews,

Matt Barnes, Dunleavy JR,
Marco Belinelli, Marcus Thornton, Laundry Fields,

Anthony Randolph, Nick Collison, Scola,

VETS but questionable with age
Tim Duncan, KG, Ginobili, Scola, David West

2016/17 (off the top of my head and many players with options)
===================================================================

Basically don't overpay in 2015 for contracts/talents possibly leaving room for Durant/Noah, or BOTH, while grabbing talents that are under payed or just their value
Both Love and LA's "MAX" vs CA's "MAX" is about 8-10m difference because of the new CBA, that is a lot of talent that we could utilize better if we CA is unwilling to compromise

Durant/Noah/D12 (player option)

Kobe Bryant, Eric Gordon, Joe Johnson

Randy Foye
Ryan Anderson, Wilson Chander, MosGoV, Ilyasova

Without said, if Lebron James is available in 2015/16, making him a MAX OFFER and leaving room for Durant would be Jordan/Pippen comparisons with Lebron/Durant
IF Melo fits, we would have our own TRIO, similar to Kukoc

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

when he took a pay cut it was just after he was an all-nba first teamer. his salary went down 2.5 million the year he led his team to the title and was the finals mvp.

melo owes all knicks fans for how the franchise was yanked off course, with a ton of collateral damage, falling well short of the expectations that came with how much he was paid and how many assets were surrendered. plus, how do you do come here like you do, then 3 years later say

"i knew it was going to be a few years to build a team"
"i want to test free agency"
"i am not interested in a rebuild"

care to parse these sentiments? or are you going to tell me that it was up to the coaching staff and the front office to find quality players to fit around him? and if you do say that, knowing that d'antoni is a system guy, then how much sense does it make to bring in the ultimate non-system player?

His contract was structured to spread that money across the length of that deal, you will notice the contract is similar to Melo's deal only that the first two years, Dirk made more money...So you hold Melo accountable, but do you hold Amare for giving us half a season thus far in 4 years, do you hold Walsh responsible for hiring a guy who really isn't a coach but the owner of a system disguising himself as a coach..Do you hold Walsh responsible for all the bad deals he has made since being here?? No picks for ZBo???..Why take on salary for DLee???..Where we had to trade two picks jsut to get under the cap??..I can continue...

never mind the misdirection drivel after the first sentence, as this is your usual way of fluffing melo by attacking others. the point is melo needs to give up a good chunk of change in order for the knicks to justify having him here.

i also note that while you say that dirk has had the better career, you neglect to acknowledge that nowitzki is the superior player.

do you agree that dirk is the superior player? yes no question. not three years later but in the years leading up to his winning the finals mvp, the years where he was voted either first or second all-nba? yes no question.

point is he was overpaid and since he is not nearly the level of a nowitzki, why try to justify his getting nowitzki money, heck even nowitzki discount money?

Are you asking me if Dirk was a superior 4 years ago?? When Melo was 26 and he was 31??..I also have no clue what that has to do with anything...

dude stop playing games you know exactly what i am asking. read my post again carefully.

Here is the problem, make yourself clear because you can't be talking about 35 year old Dirk of today..Never mind..This is exactly where you want it to go..Nothing about the facts, just confusion in dialogue..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

when he took a pay cut it was just after he was an all-nba first teamer. his salary went down 2.5 million the year he led his team to the title and was the finals mvp.

melo owes all knicks fans for how the franchise was yanked off course, with a ton of collateral damage, falling well short of the expectations that came with how much he was paid and how many assets were surrendered. plus, how do you do come here like you do, then 3 years later say

"i knew it was going to be a few years to build a team"
"i want to test free agency"
"i am not interested in a rebuild"

care to parse these sentiments? or are you going to tell me that it was up to the coaching staff and the front office to find quality players to fit around him? and if you do say that, knowing that d'antoni is a system guy, then how much sense does it make to bring in the ultimate non-system player?

His contract was structured to spread that money across the length of that deal, you will notice the contract is similar to Melo's deal only that the first two years, Dirk made more money...So you hold Melo accountable, but do you hold Amare for giving us half a season thus far in 4 years, do you hold Walsh responsible for hiring a guy who really isn't a coach but the owner of a system disguising himself as a coach..Do you hold Walsh responsible for all the bad deals he has made since being here?? No picks for ZBo???..Why take on salary for DLee???..Where we had to trade two picks jsut to get under the cap??..I can continue...

never mind the misdirection drivel after the first sentence, as this is your usual way of fluffing melo by attacking others. the point is melo needs to give up a good chunk of change in order for the knicks to justify having him here.

i also note that while you say that dirk has had the better career, you neglect to acknowledge that nowitzki is the superior player.

do you agree that dirk is the superior player? yes no question. not three years later but in the years leading up to his winning the finals mvp, the years where he was voted either first or second all-nba? yes no question.

point is he was overpaid and since he is not nearly the level of a nowitzki, why try to justify his getting nowitzki money, heck even nowitzki discount money?

Are you asking me if Dirk was a superior 4 years ago?? When Melo was 26 and he was 31??..I also have no clue what that has to do with anything...

dude stop playing games you know exactly what i am asking. read my post again carefully.

Here is the problem, make yourself clear because you can't be talking about 35 year old Dirk of today..Never mind..This is exactly where you want it to go..Nothing about the facts, just confusion in dialogue..

was dirk the better player in the years leading up to his pay cut and his title season than melo of the last several years here in new york?

It's a tough call..I've always been down on Dirk because of his defense and rebounding...Melo is certainly a better defender, he just doesn't give 100% defensively all the time, I don't think Dirk tries on defense, ever...But all that said, Dirk has had better players around him..For a seven footer, Dirk should be rebounding more...Dirk is certainly a better shooter...To me, it's even...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

when he took a pay cut it was just after he was an all-nba first teamer. his salary went down 2.5 million the year he led his team to the title and was the finals mvp.

melo owes all knicks fans for how the franchise was yanked off course, with a ton of collateral damage, falling well short of the expectations that came with how much he was paid and how many assets were surrendered. plus, how do you do come here like you do, then 3 years later say

"i knew it was going to be a few years to build a team"
"i want to test free agency"
"i am not interested in a rebuild"

care to parse these sentiments? or are you going to tell me that it was up to the coaching staff and the front office to find quality players to fit around him? and if you do say that, knowing that d'antoni is a system guy, then how much sense does it make to bring in the ultimate non-system player?

His contract was structured to spread that money across the length of that deal, you will notice the contract is similar to Melo's deal only that the first two years, Dirk made more money...So you hold Melo accountable, but do you hold Amare for giving us half a season thus far in 4 years, do you hold Walsh responsible for hiring a guy who really isn't a coach but the owner of a system disguising himself as a coach..Do you hold Walsh responsible for all the bad deals he has made since being here?? No picks for ZBo???..Why take on salary for DLee???..Where we had to trade two picks jsut to get under the cap??..I can continue...

never mind the misdirection drivel after the first sentence, as this is your usual way of fluffing melo by attacking others. the point is melo needs to give up a good chunk of change in order for the knicks to justify having him here.

i also note that while you say that dirk has had the better career, you neglect to acknowledge that nowitzki is the superior player.

do you agree that dirk is the superior player? yes no question. not three years later but in the years leading up to his winning the finals mvp, the years where he was voted either first or second all-nba? yes no question.

point is he was overpaid and since he is not nearly the level of a nowitzki, why try to justify his getting nowitzki money, heck even nowitzki discount money?

Are you asking me if Dirk was a superior 4 years ago?? When Melo was 26 and he was 31??..I also have no clue what that has to do with anything...

dude stop playing games you know exactly what i am asking. read my post again carefully.

Here is the problem, make yourself clear because you can't be talking about 35 year old Dirk of today..Never mind..This is exactly where you want it to go..Nothing about the facts, just confusion in dialogue..

I haven't read through everything but I'd assume he's comparing the level the two were at when entering free agency. That's the only comparison that would make sense here

i guess you don't have a hidden agenda-- kinda makes my queries crystal clear don't it? is melo the equal of nowitzki in this scenario? holfresh says they are even. <eye roll>

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing...

chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct?

JR smith was 6th man, am i correct?

dallas had neither with dirk..

Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year...

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing...

chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct?

JR smith was 6th man, am i correct?

dallas had neither with dirk..

Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year...

so now you want to knock chandler to fit your argument..

the difference was dirk.. it is simple.. dirk is a much better player than carmelo... that is what matters...