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4/29/2014  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2014  10:10 AM
My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

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4/29/2014  10:38 AM
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

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4/29/2014  10:43 AM
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Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I don't really follow his posts that much or have seen this before but he seems to have a language barrier and and does not express himself too well.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/29/2014  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2014  11:52 AM
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NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I don't really follow his posts that much or have seen this before but he seems to have a language barrier and and does not express himself too well.

I understand and recognize the language barrier. But I read between the lines and try to look for trends and tones in what is being said on certain topics. Its why I felt compelled to defend you, when another poster tried to imply that you were partial to White ball-players. With akrud, there has been a consistent pattern in discussions about class and racial issues. The comments he made in this thread are fairly benign but reputation sometimes proceeds us.

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4/29/2014  12:01 PM
arkrud wrote:Imagine all African Americans getting their own state and building society without white people...
Then they only can abuse each other and will not be abused by whites. Something like Liberia...
And LJ for president!!!

arkrud, reading this again it does seem that you crossed the line.

As a proud jew, you should be a bit more empathetic to prejudices and bigotry. I am jewish and I think that comments like this are out of line. We can be proud of our race and heritage without speaking negatively about others.

Are you saying that black people are not capable of governing themselves and need white people in charge to stop them from abusing each other?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/29/2014  12:12 PM
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mreinman wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I don't really follow his posts that much or have seen this before but he seems to have a language barrier and and does not express himself too well.

I understand and recognize the language barrier. But I read between the lines and try to look for trends and tones in what is being said on certain topics. Its why I felt compelled to defend you, when another poster tried to imply that you were partial to White ball-players. With akrud, there has been a consistent pattern in discussions about class and racial issues. The comments he made in this thread are fairly benign but reputation sometimes proceeds us.

Look, I'm just saying that people on this thread and elsewhere want to denounce LJ's error-ridden Tweet as "racist". I'm using other posters' language here verbatim. The thread title is not even a direct quote of what he said, that's why I embedded the Tweet in my post.

I just don't see it as "racist" or worthy of getting fired, I saw it as an attempt to call for empowerment. But if he is fired for these commments, maybe that speaks to his deeper point. He is talking to his fellow black people about what he sees as a more appropriate reaction to the Sterling situation. LJ gets fired, he gets nothing. Sterling gets forced to sell, he makes millions. Boo hoo, what a punishment. While I don't agree with LJ for the reasons I expressed, I understand what he is saying, and to condemn him IS to point to a false equivelence IMHO.

As for the interesting discussion about the Jews and Israel and akrud's phonetic posting style: he said the Jews were here before America, will be here after America, and it is because of their wisdom and traditions of tolerance. But then laughs at the idea of African-Americans starting their own country with Liberia as an example. Hence my "savage nature" crack: because white supremacy is what we are talking around here with this whole issue.

But now that I think about it, maybe the comparison of Liberia and Israel aren't that far apart: the return of an oppressed people to a land to have continued conflict with the people already there.

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4/29/2014  12:21 PM
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Knicks22 wrote:context?
So, because sterling is rich (or white?) his racist ugly comments are bad, but, anyone else isnt'?

Sterling's comments outrageous, and rightfully condemned. All right minded people - of all colors - are condemning them.

why double standard for LJ?

Because LJs comments are regarding how you overcome social/economic/historical injustice, whereas Sterlings are based on him thinking black people are inferior (and ethnic minorities are lazy and smell etc if you look at his views on his tennants) and shouldn't be socialised with in public.

It's all well and good saying you believe in integration, changing things gradually, but it's important to realise that you're also asking people to put up with unfairness and injustice for decades with no guarantee of success. Some people like LJ don't think that's okay and want a more radical approach.

Meanwhile Sterling has been abusing his power to unfairly treat black employees, degrade them and make his tennants lives a misery.

Well said....

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4/29/2014  12:31 PM
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arkrud wrote:Imagine all African Americans getting their own state and building society without white people...
Then they only can abuse each other and will not be abused by whites. Something like Liberia...
And LJ for president!!!

arkrud, reading this again it does seem that you crossed the line.

As a proud jew, you should be a bit more empathetic to prejudices and bigotry. I am jewish and I think that comments like this are out of line. We can be proud of our race and heritage without speaking negatively about others.

Are you saying that black people are not capable of governing themselves and need white people in charge to stop them from abusing each other?

I know, look at the living hell the predominantly Black island nation of Grenada is! Thank God they still have Elizabeth as Queen or it would surely be a disaster! And good thing Reagan got in there as the US's first post-Viet Nam engagement!

I don't even know if he is talking about African-Americans specifically or black people in general, maybe he'll clarify. But as an African-American, the "problems" with African-Americans aren't due to our African genes. IMHO it's due to the fact we are quintessentially American, yet seen as the Other at the same time. African, Indian and European blood runs through our veins. It is having European ancestry and surnames and told WE are the ones who are ****ty fathers and can't keep it in our pants. We've watched immigrants come to the US and able to judge their success on how quickly they can step over us on their way to the top. I do envy Jewish culture and its traditions that traverse millennia precisely because my ancestors were robbed of theirs.

sigh. I don't really take what he said too seriously, I actually like akrud's quirky points of view. But I'm just trying to provide a different voice here. Just marinate on nixluva's posts for a minute.

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4/29/2014  12:34 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I guess AKRUD will explain himself if he wishes.

I can't keep up with whose positions are whose all the time. Sometimes we write things that sound good in our heads and it don't translate well.

Sometimes the less said is best.

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4/29/2014  12:55 PM
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smackeddog wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:context?
So, because sterling is rich (or white?) his racist ugly comments are bad, but, anyone else isnt'?

Sterling's comments outrageous, and rightfully condemned. All right minded people - of all colors - are condemning them.

why double standard for LJ?

Because LJs comments are regarding how you overcome social/economic/historical injustice, whereas Sterlings are based on him thinking black people are inferior (and ethnic minorities are lazy and smell etc if you look at his views on his tennants) and shouldn't be socialised with in public.

It's all well and good saying you believe in integration, changing things gradually, but it's important to realise that you're also asking people to put up with unfairness and injustice for decades with no guarantee of success. Some people like LJ don't think that's okay and want a more radical approach.

Meanwhile Sterling has been abusing his power to unfairly treat black employees, degrade them and make his tennants lives a misery.

Well said....

Exactly. When discriminated at a lunch counter, very brave people peacefully protested at those counters to help topple Jim Crow. But some other people said at the time: why would I want to be fed by a racist in the first place?!? I'd rather just be fed by my own people! LJ is just being one of those people. He is not being a racist, he is reacting to racism.

A better example of a double standard is wanting to put an asterisk on Barry Bonds' record-breaking, but not putting an asterisk on every MLB record before 1947.

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4/29/2014  1:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2014  1:06 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
mreinman wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I don't really follow his posts that much or have seen this before but he seems to have a language barrier and and does not express himself too well.

I understand and recognize the language barrier. But I read between the lines and try to look for trends and tones in what is being said on certain topics. Its why I felt compelled to defend you, when another poster tried to imply that you were partial to White ball-players. With akrud, there has been a consistent pattern in discussions about class and racial issues. The comments he made in this thread are fairly benign but reputation sometimes proceeds us.

Look, I'm just saying that people on this thread and elsewhere want to denounce LJ's error-ridden Tweet as "racist". I'm using other posters' language here verbatim. The thread title is not even a direct quote of what he said, that's why I embedded the Tweet in my post.

I just don't see it as "racist" or worthy of getting fired, I saw it as an attempt to call for empowerment. But if he is fired for these commments, maybe that speaks to his deeper point. He is talking to his fellow black people about what he sees as a more appropriate reaction to the Sterling situation. LJ gets fired, he gets nothing. Sterling gets forced to sell, he makes millions. Boo hoo, what a punishment. While I don't agree with LJ for the reasons I expressed, I understand what he is saying, and to condemn him IS to point to a false equivelence IMHO.

As for the interesting discussion about the Jews and Israel and akrud's phonetic posting style: he said the Jews were here before America, will be here after America, and it is because of their wisdom and traditions of tolerance. But then laughs at the idea of African-Americans starting their own country with Liberia as an example. Hence my "savage nature" crack: because white supremacy is what we are talking around here with this whole issue.

But now that I think about it, maybe the comparison of Liberia and Israel aren't that far apart: the return of an oppressed people to a land to have continued conflict with the people already there.

Dude, he's been in the public eye for years. He should know that anything race-based is going to be inflammatory, so he shouldn't be using a service where he only gets 140 characters to express his opinion on an issue like this. It is his burden to articulate his point thoroughly enough, so that there is no doubt about his message's intent. As I said before, I think I know what he means but the very fact that I do not definitively know is the problem in all of this.

As for akrud, we share the same opinion and I personally think there is a pattern here. We may disagree on the later point, which is fine. But as I said before with LJ, the burden of clarity is on the messenger and I'd like for him to clarify.

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4/29/2014  1:05 PM
Nalod wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:My take is Akrud was just saying that people of same can be brutal to each other. Black on black, white on white, tribs, sects, religions......etc.

TO me LJ, like many are reacting emotionally to Sterlings statements.

I suppose we'll never truly know because he makes remarks like those and then either disappears for an extended period of time or responds on a tangent.

But like you said with LJ, there are a lot of emotional responses being made, which clouds intent or one's nature. In any case, he is a public figure and is held to a higher standard with his comments. Dude will probably be reprimanded if not fired, outright.

I guess AKRUD will explain himself if he wishes.

I can't keep up with whose positions are whose all the time. Sometimes we write things that sound good in our heads and it don't translate well.

Sometimes the less said is best.

Excellent take and advice I can use.

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4/29/2014  1:25 PM
My post about my family history in the U.S. was just the Primer for what is the real cause for problems of African Americans that are much different than other races in this country. There has always been a very concerted effort to undermine the efforts of Blacks to improve themselves in any way and it continues to this day. This post is for any who don't really know U.S. History.

Whenever Blacks made efforts to improve their situation they were thwarted by Whites in Power.

After the Civil War Blacks had the vote for the 1st time and they did vote and build schools to educate themselves. Things were going well and then...

1. The Ku Klux Klan was originally organized in the winter of 1865-66 in Pulaski, Tennessee.
The Klan spread beyond Tennessee to every state in the South and included mayors, judges, and sheriffs as well as common criminals. The Klan systematically murdered black politicians and political leaders. It beat, whipped, and murdered thousands, and intimidated tens of thousands of others from voting. Blacks often tried to fight back, but they were outnumbered and out gunned. While the main targets of Klan wrath were the political and social leaders of the black community, blacks could be murdered for almost any reason. Men, women, children, aged and crippled, were victims. A 103-year-old woman was whipped, as was a completely paralyzed man. In Georgia, Abraham Colby, an organizer and leader in the black community, was whipped for hours in front of his wife and children. His little daughter begged the Klansman, "Don't take my daddy away." She never recovered from the sight and died soon after. In Mississippi, Jack Dupree's throat was cut and he was disemboweled in front of his wife, who had just given birth to twins. Klansman burned churches and schools, lynching teachers and educated blacks. Black landowners were driven off their property and murdered if they refused to leave. Blacks were whipped for refusing to work for whites, for having intimate relations with whites, for arguing with whites, for having jobs whites wanted, for reading a newspaper or having a book in their homes.. Or simply for being black. Klan violence led one black man to write: "We have very dark days here. The colored people are in despair. The rebels boast that the Negroes shall not have as much liberty now as they had under slavery. If things go on thus, our doom is sealed. God knows it is worse than slavery."

2. The Red Shirts or Redshirts of the Southern United States were European-American paramilitary groups that were active in the late 19th century after the end of the Reconstruction era of the United States. They first appeared in Mississippi in 1875, when Democratic Party private militia units adopted red shirts to make themselves more visible and threatening to Southern Republicans, both white and freedmen. Similar groups in other states also adopted red shirts.

Among the most prominent Red Shirts were the supporters of Democratic Party candidate Wade Hampton during the campaigns for the South Carolina gubernatorial elections of 1876 and 1878.[1] The Red Shirts were one of several paramilitary organizations, such as the White League in Louisiana, arising in the continuing efforts of white Democrats to regain political power in the South in the 1870s. These groups acted as "the military arm of the Democratic Party."[2]

While sometimes engaging in violence, in contrast to secret vigilante groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Red Shirts, the White League and similar groups in the late nineteenth century worked openly and were better organized: they had one goal, the restoration of the Democrats to power by getting rid of Republicans, which usually meant repressing civil rights and voting by the freedmen.[3] During the 1876, 1898 and 1900 campaigns in North Carolina, the Red Shirts played prominent roles in intimidating non-Democratic voters.

3. Atlanta Race Riot (1906)
When the Civil War ended, African-Americans in Atlanta began entering the realm of politics, establishing businesses and gaining notoriety as a social class. Increasing tensions between Black wage-workers and the white elite began to grow and ill-feelings were further exacerbated when Blacks gained more civil rights, including the right to vote.
The tensions exploded during the gubernatorial election of 1906 in which M. Hoke Smith and Clark Howell competed for the Democratic nomination. Both candidates were looking for ways to disenfranchise African-American voters because they each felt that the Black vote could throw the election to the other candidate.
Hoke Smith was a former publisher of the Atlanta Journal and Clark Howell was the editor of the Atlanta Constitution. Both candidates used their influence to incite white voters and help spread the fear that whites may not be able to maintain the current social order.
The Atlanta Georgian and the Atlanta News began publishing stories about white women being molested and raped by Black men. These allegations were reported multiple times and were largely false.
On Sept. 22, 1906, Atlanta newspapers reported four alleged assaults on local white women. Soon, some 10,000 white men and boys began gathering, beating, and stabbing Blacks. It is estimated that there were between 25 and 40 African-American deaths; it was confirmed that there were only two white deaths.

4. Greenwood , Tulsa, Oklahoma “Black Wall Street” (May 31 – June 1, 1921)
During the oil boom of the 1910s, the area of northeast Oklahoma around Tulsa flourished, including the Greenwood neighborhood, which came to be known as “the Black Wall Street.” The area was home to several lawyers, realtors, doctors, and prominent black Businessmen, many of them multimillionaires.
Greenwood boasted a variety of thriving businesses such as grocery stores, clothing stores, barbershops, banks, hotels, cafes, movie theaters, two newspapers, and many contemporary homes. Greenwood residents enjoyed many luxuries that their white neighbors did not, including indoor plumbing and a remarkable school system. The dollar circulated 36 to 100 times, sometimes taking a year for currency to leave the community.
The neighborhood was destroyed during a riot that broke out after a group men from Greenwood attempted to protect a young Black man from a lynch mob. On the night of May 31, 1921, a mob called for the lynching of Dick Rowland, a Black man who shined shoes, after reports spread that on the previous day he had assaulted Sarah Page, a white woman, in the elevator she operated in a downtown building.
In the early morning hours of June 1, 1921, Black Tulsa was looted, firebombed from the air and burned down by white rioters. The governor declared martial law, and National Guard troops arrived in Tulsa. Guardsmen assisted firemen in putting out fires, removed abducted African-Americans from the hands of white vigilantes, and imprisoned all Black Tulsans, not already confined, into a prison camp at the Convention Hall and the Fairgrounds, some for as long as eight days.
In the wake of the violence, 35 city blocks lay in charred ruins, over 800 people were treated for injuries and estimated 300 deaths occurred.

5. Chicago Race Riots (1919)
The “Red Summer” of 1919 marked the culmination of steadily growing tensions surrounding the great migration of African-Americans from the rural South to the cities of the North during World War I. Chicago was one of the northern cities that experienced violent race riots during that period.
Drawn by the city’s meatpacking houses, railway companies and steel mills, the African-American population in Chicago skyrocketed from 44,000 in 1910 to 235,000 in 1930. When the war ended in late 1918, thousands of white servicemen returned home from fighting in Europe to find that their jobs in factories, warehouses and mills had been filled by newly arrived Southern Blacks or immigrants.
On July 27, 1919, an African-American teenager drowned in Lake Michigan after he challenged the unofficial segregation of Chicago’s beaches and was stoned by a group of white youths.
His death, and the police refusal to arrest the men who caused it, sparked a week of race rioting between Black and white Chicagoans, with Black neighborhoods receiving the worst of the damage.
When the riots ended on Aug. 3, 15 whites and 23 Blacks had been killed and more than 500 people injured. An additional 1,000 Black families had lost their homes when they were torched by rioters.
President Woodrow Wilson castigated the “white race” as “the aggressor” in the Chicago uprising.

6. Rosewood Massacre (1923)
Rosewood was a quiet, self-sufficient whistle-stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway in Florida. By 1900 the population in Rosewood had become predominantly African-American. Some people farmed or worked in local businesses, including a sawmill in nearby Sumner, a predominantly white town.
In 1920, Rosewood Blacks had three churches, a school, a large Masonic Hall, turpentine mill, a sugarcane mill, a baseball team and a general store (a second one was white owned). The village had about two dozen plank two-story homes, some other small houses, as well as several small unoccupied plank structures.
Spurred by unsupported accusations that a white woman in Sumner had been beaten and possibly raped by a Black drifter, white men from a number of nearby towns lynched a Rosewood resident. When the Black citizens defended themselves against further attack, several hundred whites combed the countryside hunting Black people and burning almost every structure in Rosewood.
Survivors hid for several days in nearby swamps and were evacuated by train and car to larger towns. Although state and local authorities were aware of the violence, they made no arrests for the activities in Rosewood. At least six Blacks and two whites were killed, and the town was abandoned by Black residents during the attacks. None ever returned.

I could go on and on like this with more events and other laws and efforts which all served to destroy the progress of African Americans. To this day there's still a system against Minorities.

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4/29/2014  2:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2014  2:42 PM
What are some examples today?

I don't like the way the media, music, movies etc portray black culture. I think it also plays a huge part in the "setback" The promoting of vulgar language, guns, drugs, gangs, materialism etc

Old fools like Donald Sterling see this lifestyle flash in front of their eyes and it only feeds their prejudices and misguided notions of other races.

Maybe this is how white America wants black culture to be perceived. Maybe it is all about fear?

The worst part is these amercan pop culture stereotypes infiltrate other countries around the world.

People need to wise up

I was born in Brazil and it is as diverse as it here. Slavery was just as bad there as well. It seems like they've progressed more than we have here. There you grow up with people of all races as your best friends. Play the same sports, listen to the same music etc. Here there's separate tables for each ethnicity and color in a school cafeteria.

The color of your skin should not matter. Remove skin color(race)from all applications and documents

There has to be a way for everyone to truly have equal opportunities. I say revolt against media practices as a start. We should all share common interests from the day we are born. Not be told which line to get on

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4/29/2014  2:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I don't like the way the media, music, movies etc portray black culture. I think it also plays a huge part in the "setback"

Maybe a sign that I'm headed towards 40, but I agree with this. Mass media — movies, TV and music in particular — is not doing our citizenry in general and Black folks in particular any favors. We've gone from the people who created jazz and fought for our freedom while "the world is watching" to having our culture publicly conflated with drug, prison, and sex work culture.

Questlove from the Roots is writing a 6-part article called "How Hip-Hop Failed Black America", he just put up part 2: http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-money-jay-z-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america-part-2.html

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DrAlphaeus wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I don't like the way the media, music, movies etc portray black culture. I think it also plays a huge part in the "setback"

Maybe a sign that I'm headed towards 40, but I agree with this. Mass media — movies, TV and music in particular — is not doing our citizenry in general and Black folks in particular any favors. We've gone from the people who created jazz and fought for our freedom while "the world is watching" to having our culture publicly conflated with drug, prison, and sex work culture.

Questlove from the Roots is writing a 6-part article called "How Hip-Hop Failed Black America", he just put up part 2: http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-money-jay-z-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america-part-2.html

Exactly. The world nixluva described was undoubtably a disgrace on humanity. There should be more respect for the good moral and innocent people who suffered for no good reason. It seems media today is not interested in shinning the same positive light on folks today. Something has to change at the core so that people of every race can be seen in the same light.

Morality is all but gone in today's world and it extends far beyond race. The more technology is introduced the less moral we become. Example: people are more quick to record something on their phones then actually do something to help

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4/29/2014  2:40 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I don't like the way the media, music, movies etc portray black culture. I think it also plays a huge part in the "setback"

Maybe a sign that I'm headed towards 40, but I agree with this. Mass media — movies, TV and music in particular — is not doing our citizenry in general and Black folks in particular any favors. We've gone from the people who created jazz and fought for our freedom while "the world is watching" to having our culture publicly conflated with drug, prison, and sex work culture.

Questlove from the Roots is writing a 6-part article called "How Hip-Hop Failed Black America", he just put up part 2: http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-money-jay-z-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america-part-2.html

Exactly. The world nixluva described was undoubtably a disgrace on humanity. There should be more respect for the good moral and innocent people who suffered for no good reason. It seems media today is not interested in shinning the same positive light on folks today. Something has to change at the core so that people of every race can be seen in the same light.

Morality is all but gone in today's world and it extends far beyond race. The more technology is introduced the less moral we become. Example: people are more quick to record something on their phones then actually do something to help


Speaking as a black man, it was would be great if I didn't have to hear the N-word thrown around in music and movies leading it to be thrown around in everyday conversation. I don't give a damn what race you are either. I don't want to hear the word and no I don't use it myself.
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4/29/2014  2:43 PM
Yup. Americans should bring more awareness to this
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4/29/2014  2:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly. The world nixluva described was undoubtably a disgrace on humanity.

My point is not completely understood. The "world" I described has been a continuous disgrace and has never stopped to this day.

Then there

On March 30, 1908, Green Cottenham was arrested by the sheriff of Shelby County, Alabama, and charged with “vagrancy.”1 Cottenham had committed no true crime. Vagrancy, the offense of a person not being able to prove at a given moment that he or she is employed, was a new and flimsy concoction dredged up from legal obscurity at the end of the nineteenth century by the state legislatures of Alabama and other southern states. It was capriciously enforced by local sheriffs and constables, adjudicated by mayors and notaries public, recorded haphazardly or not at all in court records, and, most tellingly in a time of massive unemployment among all southern men, was reserved almost exclusively for black men. Cottenham’s offense was blackness. -

The camp had supplied tens of thousands of men over five decades to a succession of prison mines ultimately purchased by U.S. Steel in 1907. Hundreds of them had not survived. Nearly all were black men arrested and then “leased” by state and county governments to U.S. Steel or the companies it had acquired.3 Here and in scores of other similarly crude graveyards, the final chapter of American slavery had been buried. It was a form of bondage distinctly different from that of the antebellum South in that for most men, and the relatively few women drawn in, this slavery did not last a lifetime and did not automatically extend from one generation to the next. But it was nonetheless slavery—a system in which armies of free men, guilty of no crimes and entitled by law to freedom, were compelled to labor without compensation, were repeatedly bought and sold, and were forced to do the bidding of white masters through the regular application of extraordinary physical coercion. - See more at: http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/the-book/excerpt/#sthash.83VyMwgB.dpuf

This kind of mistreatment by law enforcement continues and is supported by the Prison Industrial Complex. This is how Stop and Frisk and other legal means of filling prisons has worked in this country for 30 years.

We also had a system called "Peonage" which served to continue a type of debt slavery in the south for years. Share Croppers would be cheated by Land Owners so that they never could pay off debt and thus could not leave the farms at risk of arrest. Today there are examples of predatory Lending which actually have it's roots in post Civil War South:

Financial institutions preyed on African American and Latino families in the years leading up the Great Recession of the late 2000s. Minorities were intentionally steered into signing unfair and deceptive loans, despite being eligible for much more manageable and practical financial packages.

Compared to white borrowers in the same financial bracket, African Americans and Latinos were 30 percent more likely to sign onto high-interest loans that were near impossible to repay. Black wealth fell over 50 percent during the recession, the largest loss of financial gains since Reconstruction following the Civil War. Put differently, two generations of economic progress has been undone in black communities, meaning financial hardship for decades to come.

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nixluva wrote:My post about my family history in the U.S. was just the Primer for what is the real cause for problems of African Americans that are much different than other races in this country. There has always been a very concerted effort to undermine the efforts of Blacks to improve themselves in any way and it continues to this day. This post is for any who don't really know U.S. History.

Whenever Blacks made efforts to improve their situation they were thwarted by Whites in Power.

After the Civil War Blacks had the vote for the 1st time and they did vote and build schools to educate themselves. Things were going well and then...

1. The Ku Klux Klan was originally organized in the winter of 1865-66 in Pulaski, Tennessee.
The Klan spread beyond Tennessee to every state in the South and included mayors, judges, and sheriffs as well as common criminals. The Klan systematically murdered black politicians and political leaders. It beat, whipped, and murdered thousands, and intimidated tens of thousands of others from voting. Blacks often tried to fight back, but they were outnumbered and out gunned. While the main targets of Klan wrath were the political and social leaders of the black community, blacks could be murdered for almost any reason. Men, women, children, aged and crippled, were victims. A 103-year-old woman was whipped, as was a completely paralyzed man. In Georgia, Abraham Colby, an organizer and leader in the black community, was whipped for hours in front of his wife and children. His little daughter begged the Klansman, "Don't take my daddy away." She never recovered from the sight and died soon after. In Mississippi, Jack Dupree's throat was cut and he was disemboweled in front of his wife, who had just given birth to twins. Klansman burned churches and schools, lynching teachers and educated blacks. Black landowners were driven off their property and murdered if they refused to leave. Blacks were whipped for refusing to work for whites, for having intimate relations with whites, for arguing with whites, for having jobs whites wanted, for reading a newspaper or having a book in their homes.. Or simply for being black. Klan violence led one black man to write: "We have very dark days here. The colored people are in despair. The rebels boast that the Negroes shall not have as much liberty now as they had under slavery. If things go on thus, our doom is sealed. God knows it is worse than slavery."

2. The Red Shirts or Redshirts of the Southern United States were European-American paramilitary groups that were active in the late 19th century after the end of the Reconstruction era of the United States. They first appeared in Mississippi in 1875, when Democratic Party private militia units adopted red shirts to make themselves more visible and threatening to Southern Republicans, both white and freedmen. Similar groups in other states also adopted red shirts.

Among the most prominent Red Shirts were the supporters of Democratic Party candidate Wade Hampton during the campaigns for the South Carolina gubernatorial elections of 1876 and 1878.[1] The Red Shirts were one of several paramilitary organizations, such as the White League in Louisiana, arising in the continuing efforts of white Democrats to regain political power in the South in the 1870s. These groups acted as "the military arm of the Democratic Party."[2]

While sometimes engaging in violence, in contrast to secret vigilante groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Red Shirts, the White League and similar groups in the late nineteenth century worked openly and were better organized: they had one goal, the restoration of the Democrats to power by getting rid of Republicans, which usually meant repressing civil rights and voting by the freedmen.[3] During the 1876, 1898 and 1900 campaigns in North Carolina, the Red Shirts played prominent roles in intimidating non-Democratic voters.

3. Atlanta Race Riot (1906)
When the Civil War ended, African-Americans in Atlanta began entering the realm of politics, establishing businesses and gaining notoriety as a social class. Increasing tensions between Black wage-workers and the white elite began to grow and ill-feelings were further exacerbated when Blacks gained more civil rights, including the right to vote.
The tensions exploded during the gubernatorial election of 1906 in which M. Hoke Smith and Clark Howell competed for the Democratic nomination. Both candidates were looking for ways to disenfranchise African-American voters because they each felt that the Black vote could throw the election to the other candidate.
Hoke Smith was a former publisher of the Atlanta Journal and Clark Howell was the editor of the Atlanta Constitution. Both candidates used their influence to incite white voters and help spread the fear that whites may not be able to maintain the current social order.
The Atlanta Georgian and the Atlanta News began publishing stories about white women being molested and raped by Black men. These allegations were reported multiple times and were largely false.
On Sept. 22, 1906, Atlanta newspapers reported four alleged assaults on local white women. Soon, some 10,000 white men and boys began gathering, beating, and stabbing Blacks. It is estimated that there were between 25 and 40 African-American deaths; it was confirmed that there were only two white deaths.

4. Greenwood , Tulsa, Oklahoma “Black Wall Street” (May 31 – June 1, 1921)
During the oil boom of the 1910s, the area of northeast Oklahoma around Tulsa flourished, including the Greenwood neighborhood, which came to be known as “the Black Wall Street.” The area was home to several lawyers, realtors, doctors, and prominent black Businessmen, many of them multimillionaires.
Greenwood boasted a variety of thriving businesses such as grocery stores, clothing stores, barbershops, banks, hotels, cafes, movie theaters, two newspapers, and many contemporary homes. Greenwood residents enjoyed many luxuries that their white neighbors did not, including indoor plumbing and a remarkable school system. The dollar circulated 36 to 100 times, sometimes taking a year for currency to leave the community.
The neighborhood was destroyed during a riot that broke out after a group men from Greenwood attempted to protect a young Black man from a lynch mob. On the night of May 31, 1921, a mob called for the lynching of Dick Rowland, a Black man who shined shoes, after reports spread that on the previous day he had assaulted Sarah Page, a white woman, in the elevator she operated in a downtown building.
In the early morning hours of June 1, 1921, Black Tulsa was looted, firebombed from the air and burned down by white rioters. The governor declared martial law, and National Guard troops arrived in Tulsa. Guardsmen assisted firemen in putting out fires, removed abducted African-Americans from the hands of white vigilantes, and imprisoned all Black Tulsans, not already confined, into a prison camp at the Convention Hall and the Fairgrounds, some for as long as eight days.
In the wake of the violence, 35 city blocks lay in charred ruins, over 800 people were treated for injuries and estimated 300 deaths occurred.

5. Chicago Race Riots (1919)
The “Red Summer” of 1919 marked the culmination of steadily growing tensions surrounding the great migration of African-Americans from the rural South to the cities of the North during World War I. Chicago was one of the northern cities that experienced violent race riots during that period.
Drawn by the city’s meatpacking houses, railway companies and steel mills, the African-American population in Chicago skyrocketed from 44,000 in 1910 to 235,000 in 1930. When the war ended in late 1918, thousands of white servicemen returned home from fighting in Europe to find that their jobs in factories, warehouses and mills had been filled by newly arrived Southern Blacks or immigrants.
On July 27, 1919, an African-American teenager drowned in Lake Michigan after he challenged the unofficial segregation of Chicago’s beaches and was stoned by a group of white youths.
His death, and the police refusal to arrest the men who caused it, sparked a week of race rioting between Black and white Chicagoans, with Black neighborhoods receiving the worst of the damage.
When the riots ended on Aug. 3, 15 whites and 23 Blacks had been killed and more than 500 people injured. An additional 1,000 Black families had lost their homes when they were torched by rioters.
President Woodrow Wilson castigated the “white race” as “the aggressor” in the Chicago uprising.

6. Rosewood Massacre (1923)
Rosewood was a quiet, self-sufficient whistle-stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway in Florida. By 1900 the population in Rosewood had become predominantly African-American. Some people farmed or worked in local businesses, including a sawmill in nearby Sumner, a predominantly white town.
In 1920, Rosewood Blacks had three churches, a school, a large Masonic Hall, turpentine mill, a sugarcane mill, a baseball team and a general store (a second one was white owned). The village had about two dozen plank two-story homes, some other small houses, as well as several small unoccupied plank structures.
Spurred by unsupported accusations that a white woman in Sumner had been beaten and possibly raped by a Black drifter, white men from a number of nearby towns lynched a Rosewood resident. When the Black citizens defended themselves against further attack, several hundred whites combed the countryside hunting Black people and burning almost every structure in Rosewood.
Survivors hid for several days in nearby swamps and were evacuated by train and car to larger towns. Although state and local authorities were aware of the violence, they made no arrests for the activities in Rosewood. At least six Blacks and two whites were killed, and the town was abandoned by Black residents during the attacks. None ever returned.

I could go on and on like this with more events and other laws and efforts which all served to destroy the progress of African Americans. To this day there's still a system against Minorities.

I just wanted to reply in case somebody missed this historical lesson. It's ashame that it takes racial negativity for others to learn American History. And just an fyi....I went to an all black college and still support that successful alum. Probably more successful than majority of the average american. This is only for the ignorant racist that thinks blacks could not police themselves. Or think LJ is a racist like Sterling. Unbelievable. ....

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