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4/21/2014  12:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. saying Woodson's option was picked up so he wouldn't violate the media policy.

So they're paying him to keep quiet?!

Those are almost Stephen A's exact words
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4/21/2014  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  12:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. saying Woodson's option was picked up so he wouldn't violate the media policy.

So they're paying him to keep quiet?!

So Woodson came to his senses and met with Phil?

I told you if he wanted his money he better sucked it up
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4/21/2014  12:21 PM
The differences between Mike Woodson and Larry brown.
1) brown understands the value of a pg running the show
2) Larry's defense was successful even when he didn't have those Pistons players
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4/21/2014  12:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:The differences between Mike Woodson and Larry brown.
1) brown understands the value of a pg running the show
2) Larry's defense was successful even when he didn't have those Pistons players

The difference is .580 vs. .280!
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4/21/2014  12:25 PM
misterearl wrote:Sheesh

gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:.580 winning % is third all time for kNicks!!!!

Great. We'll probably get someone with a track record worse than that

Now remove Kidd. What winning percentage do you have?

gunsnewing - let's remove Lebron, Wade and Bosh from the Heat and see what Spolestra's record is.

Are you serious?


Actually, remove grunwald, don't pick up the option on his assistants, tell the coach who makes the roster, who is starting, and when your big men can play. Dangle a young player out there in every trade conversation but never make a move to improve tge team. Make sure management doesn't publicly support the coach or back him when players are disrespecting him publicly.
Is that a recipe for coaching success for anyone in the nba? That doesn't even address injuries and the roster the guy was working with.
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4/21/2014  12:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:The differences between Mike Woodson and Larry brown.
1) brown understands the value of a pg running the show
2) Larry's defense was successful even when he didn't have those Pistons players

The difference is .580 vs. .280!

GTFO Bonn lol
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4/21/2014  12:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  12:28 PM
Giving Herb the ax really does prove that Phil has complete control. Now let's see what he does with Melo
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4/21/2014  12:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  12:28 PM
I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...
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4/21/2014  12:31 PM
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.
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4/21/2014  12:33 PM
The way I look at it is that there were a ton of things that were out of Woodson's hands. He should never be blamed for those things. However, there were a good amount of things he could control and he did a poor job with it for the most part.
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4/21/2014  12:49 PM
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?
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4/21/2014  12:51 PM
Nalod wrote:.580 winning % is third all time for kNicks!!!!

I wonder if Woodson was pushing for it because he has another gig lined up?

Not a bad coach, just another of the 18 since Holzman left. Nets had 20 in the same time (Via Araton's article) and 22 for Yankees including the 5 stints Billy Martin had with George!

I hope Woodson gets a good gig, maybe a college gig. His "Brotherhood of man" father figure thing might bode well for recruiting. Maybe the Indiana job opens up (University of......)

Personally the 54 season win was a great coachiung job. Had many players in and out of the lineup and did very well.

I don't think MDA will be calling him anytime soon!


If woody gets Indy job cause of Vogel blunders god bless em cause no way Woodson go to talented pacers team & and improves fortunes unless woody mods his styles n Defined f%#luckin roles for players which coach makes /decides a NBA roster.
People r feeling way to way sorry for mike Woodson. He will be fine cause he's liked alot in pros
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4/21/2014  12:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?

I notice you did not address what I said but instead asked another question. So I wonder if you agree or disagree with my statement. Do you think Woody was a good coach in the playoffs? Do you think in any of our playoff series we had the advantage at the coaching position?
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4/21/2014  1:05 PM
Let's see
Woodson vs Spoelstra adv. Spoelstra
Woodson vs Doc adv. Doc(rondo less and almost beat us)
Woodson vs Vogel hahahaha adv. Vogel

37-45, almost complete team mutiny

Bobcats, wizards & hawks make the playoffs ahead of us in a historically bad east

Bulls and Nyets sustain major injuries and make the playoffs ahead of us

Yea Michael Woodson did a stellar job here
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4/21/2014  1:13 PM
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?


We can still lose with him doing a good job coaching so I don't really understand that question's relevance. You yourself said Woodson didn't make adjustments against Indiana.
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4/21/2014  1:18 PM
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?

I notice you did not address what I said but instead asked another question. So I wonder if you agree or disagree with my statement. Do you think Woody was a good coach in the playoffs? Do you think in any of our playoff series we had the advantage at the coaching position?


It ultimately comes down to the players on the court..In the NBA, it's all about the horses...If the games aren't close then you really don't see what difference a coach makes...I think coaching matters in terms of philosophy and the way a team approach playing, it's not an individual game thing...I don't think the games or the series were close where individual play calls and substitutions matter...We were clearly over matched on the court against Indy and Miami..
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4/21/2014  1:25 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Let's see
Woodson vs Spoelstra adv. Spoelstra
Woodson vs Doc adv. Doc(rondo less and almost beat us)
Woodson vs Vogel hahahaha adv. Vogel

37-45, almost complete team mutiny

Bobcats, wizards & hawks make the playoffs ahead of us in a historically bad east

Bulls and Nyets sustain major injuries and make the playoffs ahead of us

Yea Michael Woodson did a stellar job here

Guns, I put a lot on the players and their health. KNicks got banged up last season. Kidd was shot, Flu Tyson, JR was hungover and knee hurt, and Melo was exhausted from over use.

Nobody is saying we need to retire a statue of Woodon on 7th ave, just that when you look at it close the roster has had flaws that never really worked to promote a long term chemistry within players, and roster changes in each of the two full seasons he had.

Im not advocating that he stay. I just don't think its fair to kick him to curb like so many others when its obvious there plenty of "Blame" to go around.
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4/21/2014  1:31 PM
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?

I notice you did not address what I said but instead asked another question. So I wonder if you agree or disagree with my statement. Do you think Woody was a good coach in the playoffs? Do you think in any of our playoff series we had the advantage at the coaching position?


It ultimately comes down to the players on the court..In the NBA, it's all about the horses...If the games aren't close then you really don't see what difference a coach makes...I think coaching matters in terms of philosophy and the way a team approach playing, it's not an individual game thing...I don't think the games or the series were close where individual play calls and substitutions matter...We were clearly over matched on the court against Indy and Miami..

jackson is going to institute what he has called "system basketball." he is going to hire a coach that will be able to implement that system, and he will likely surround that coach with cheap veterans on the cusp of retirement that will help teach that system while also being a locker room stabilizing and pacifying presence. further, jackson will likely be looking to trade erratic and/or selfish players who he deems unfit to be coached or taught.

given your peculiar ethos and leanings i am afraid that you are not going to enjoy this edition of the knicks.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/21/2014  1:34 PM
I don't disagree. At the same time I expected to make the playoffs even with a flawed roster. Chicago loses Rose and deng and still get in. Nyets lose Lopez. The east has never been worse. Not making the playoffs this year is utterly pathetic
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4/21/2014  1:39 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Clean wrote:
holfresh wrote:I get it, when a team like the Knicks miss the playoffs with a 37 win season, then heads should roll...I'll say this tho, Woodson got a raw deal...I'm a little surprised many here who saw the results with Woody as head coach are so happy to see him go..Interesting...

Many here are already endorsing the triangle like it was handed down from Noah during the great flood(bootleg alert, Lupica)...We will see..I hope it doesn't stop there, this entire roster need to be overhauled starting with Tyson Chandler(many here had as a leader)..Tyson was the first to throw Woodson under the bus and jump into the lifeboat saying me first...

Phil's era has begun...

Who would not like to see him go after his horrid coaching in the playoffs. Every single playoff series I considered the Knicks to be at a disadvantage with coaching.

Who did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs that they should not have lost to?

I notice you did not address what I said but instead asked another question. So I wonder if you agree or disagree with my statement. Do you think Woody was a good coach in the playoffs? Do you think in any of our playoff series we had the advantage at the coaching position?


It ultimately comes down to the players on the court..In the NBA, it's all about the horses...If the games aren't close then you really don't see what difference a coach makes...I think coaching matters in terms of philosophy and the way a team approach playing, it's not an individual game thing...I don't think the games or the series were close where individual play calls and substitutions matter...We were clearly over matched on the court against Indy and Miami..

jackson is going to institute what he has called "system basketball." he is going to hire a coach that will be able to implement that system, and he will likely surround that coach with cheap veterans on the cusp of retirement that will help teach that system while also being a locker room stabilizing and pacifying presence. further, jackson will likely be looking to trade erratic and/or selfish players who he deems unfit to be coached or taught.

given your peculiar ethos and leanings i am afraid that you are not going to enjoy this edition of the knicks.


I don't know what that has to do with his post but I 100% agree. Having someone up top whos going to focus on team play and strong defense is something to look forward to. Whether or not it's the triangle, it's going to be a better brand of basketball.
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