fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.
says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
you cannot be a contender with him in the role he has played for the last ten years.
you can list all the accolades you want-- it's results that matter. his playoff record is very very bad. no excuses. numbers don't lie.
mvp is a regular-season award. BFD
stop focussing on the regular season stuff.
he is not a winner in the role he has been playing. he needs to take a backseat and accept backseat money.
if phil jackson thinks he can work with carmelo anthony then great-- but i would not be at all surprised if melo is gone. phil jackson is in a position to lowball melo and he should.
so its his role. Does supporting cast have any factor? Any at all? Or is the NBA and basketbal really just about one guy on the team and the rest are warm bodies that go as he go. Is that it?Your talking about his role. Im talking about talent. What was the team Melo played on that was a title caliber team?
I know you think this doesnt matter, but I contend it does.
Melo's game is not a playoff winner. Iso basketball works well you have a supporting cast who can do things. I saw Melo play very well in that Pacer's series. What I also saw was Ive seen this year.. terrible guard play. Are the shots Melo takes more important than the ones JR or Felton takes? Or Shump?
"supporting cast" betrays an approach that you would do well to abandon. that was first used by the greatest player of all time, according to most. you have to be prepared to compare apples to apples and not just throw out doggie-doo "concepts" such as "supporting cast" and then proceed to lump in players like melo with players like jordan.
see what you did there? that just won't work with me. your first paragraph starts with a garbage notion and then is "supported" by blather. nonetheless... to answer your question basketball is a team sport.
your second paragraph is the epitome of circular thinking-- whatever possibility of assembling a true contender he may have had HERE IN NEW YORK WITH THE KNICKS was destroyed when he came here under the circumstances that he did. HE MADE THIS BED. you don't ask for max money and at the same time you don't force a trade and then expect the team you go to to be able to build a winner. this is a big reason why he should be taking a lot less to stay a knick. he should have waited for free agency! in whatever negotiations he is involved in these matters will be a negotiating tool to use with him. of course talent matters. nonetheless... as a corollary to walsh: a player is good at one price and bad at another. substitute "good" with "talent."
your third paragraph is mostly garbage since it recycles the "supporting cast" canard. nonetheless... the shots melo takes, since he usually takes the most shots, are the more important shots. he takes too many bad shots and in the playoffs that spells doom. in game 1 he contributed mightily to losing home court.
of deeper concern: his usage was 37.5% and his assist rate was 7.9% for a ratio of 4.75:1
if basketball is a team game then he did an excellent job of hurting his team.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
