yellowboy90 wrote:Korver is a flame thrower this year and has always moved well without the ball which seperates him from Novak. Chicago was dumb to dump him because they were so cheap. He's like a high volume steve kerr with length to semi guard his position.

Yellow, I always like where you stand/your take.

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

y2zipper wrote:It was and still is about getting out from this roster in 2015. Considering that nobody would take Felton's contract, which is about the same as Novak's for a much better player, I don't see how Novak could have been dumped outside of this trade.

Personally, I'd consider moving the 2018 pick (protected, of course) if I could get rid of Felton and Smith along with it without taking on future salary.

I mentioned this in a separate post but the Bucks would likely have taken Novak's contract for an expirer. They were grossly overpaying Kyle Korver at $6 million/yr,which leads me to believe that they'd have interest in Steve Novak, a Marquette grad, who has a similar skillset. The Bargnani deal we made seemed to involve no leg work whatsoever. It gives me the impression that we took the very first offer that the Raptors gave us. Remember that the Raptors were talking about amnestying Bargnani during the offseason and we gave up picks for this "talent".

As for Felton and Smith, I honestly think that Billy King would be stupid enough to trade for both (and Kenyon Martin) in a package deal. I think the odds are increased by the fact that Jason Kidd played with these guys and had success with them. All I'd need is Marcus Thorton's expiring deal.

Korver is playing retarded ball. 6 million is not grossly overpaying.

Take a look at his stats.

I dream to have him on my team!

He is the reason that we will not make the playoffs and hotlanta will

Korver hits a few efficient three's every game...that's about the extent of his ability. I admit, he looks good but that is primarily because they have an excellent coach in Mike Budenholzer who understands his talent and is very good with X's and O's. The same could not be said about Mike Woodson and to a much lesser extent Dwayne Casey. If you were to put Novak on the Hawks, I think he'd provide exactly what Korver does, as efficiently as Korver does.

His TS is freakin 67!!

And its 59 for his career which is also ridiculous.

Steve Novak's TS% during the MDA years was 68.4%. Steve Novak's peak TS% was 73.7%, granted that it was only over 30 games (all he played during the 2010-2011 season). Career wise, Novak is at 62%. Again, Korver is just a product of Budenholzer's coaching. I don't think the guy is anything special compared to Steve Novak.

I didn't know too much about Bargs.

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Nalod wrote:Its a 2016 pick. I would hope its a low pick!

I see Bargs as able in the Triangle. If so his value to the team might make this a good deal.

I reserve the right to stay open minded.

Few 7footers has his skill set.

...but the Raptors were rumored to be amnestying him if a deal could not be made. His talent, to me, is irrelevant and was when the deal was made. The question is, why would you pay for something that you could get for free.

On a side, you have to consider the opportunity cost involved in the trading of those picks. They could've been used to trade for someone with actual value like Kyle Lowry, who was available earlier in the year. I do agree with you that Bargnani could be a serviceable backup in the triangle though.

"Rumored to be......." Well we just don't know. Lots of "reporting". Bargs at 12 mil is not a killer contract.
Did I like the trade? not really. Did Grunwald? Not really. Was it a CAA power play? might have been. Do we know Aldridge was available? Not really.

Bottom line is there the kid was trying to get healthy and got sick last summer. I thought he was coming along pretty good before he did his swan dive.

My view is not to lament on what was, but just deal with what is. Can he contribute in the triangle? Perhaps. Anything else is hindisght and guess what, we got W-L to tell me that story.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Korver is a flame thrower this year and has always moved well without the ball which seperates him from Novak. Chicago was dumb to dump him because they were so cheap. He's like a high volume steve kerr with length to semi guard his position.

But Novak has posted superior shooting numbers to Korver. I admit, Korver is more mobile but Novak doesn't need to be at 6"11'. That shot is difficult to contest when a guy is that big.

He has better numbers partly due to the lack of time he got earlier in his career. Also, the mobility allows Korver to actually be a presence outside of just shooting threes. His movement really opens up opportunities for his teammates because of over helping and gets him easy dump down ast. Then you have the defensive discrepancy that is a huge reason why Korver can stay on the floor for long periods of time and not be a total liability.

I think we all like Novak and wouldn't mind him back. I could see him getting cut by Toronto or traded then waived in the offseason.

Woody was the main issue we had, now he's just one among others.

freeskier wrote:I was always under the impression we traded Novak because his contract extended in to next season. Getting Bargnani back wasn't the main point of the trade, and not why we gave up the pick.

That's a terrible way of using a 1st rd pick jeez

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Its a 2016 pick. I would hope its a low pick!

I see Bargs as able in the Triangle. If so his value to the team might make this a good deal.

I reserve the right to stay open minded.

Few 7footers has his skill set.

...but the Raptors were rumored to be amnestying him if a deal could not be made. His talent, to me, is irrelevant and was when the deal was made. The question is, why would you pay for something that you could get for free.

On a side, you have to consider the opportunity cost involved in the trading of those picks. They could've been used to trade for someone with actual value like Kyle Lowry, who was available earlier in the year. I do agree with you that Bargnani could be a serviceable backup in the triangle though.

"Rumored to be......." Well we just don't know. Lots of "reporting". Bargs at 12 mil is not a killer contract.
Did I like the trade? not really. Did Grunwald? Not really. Was it a CAA power play? might have been. Do we know Aldridge was available? Not really.

Bottom line is there the kid was trying to get healthy and got sick last summer. I thought he was coming along pretty good before he did his swan dive.

My view is not to lament on what was, but just deal with what is. Can he contribute in the triangle? Perhaps. Anything else is hindisght and guess what, we got W-L to tell me that story.

Where there is smoke, there is fire and I recall there being rumors from local Torontonian newspapers and ESPN about the amnesty being a distinct option for them. The pervasiveness of the reporting is why I thought there was definitely fire, even though what we saw was only smoke. We'll never know either way but what we can determine is if the trade paid equal dividends for us. Considering that Bargnani has spent more time on the bench than on the court and considering that he did little in terms of helping this team win when healthy, I lean towards thinking that the trade wasn't worth it. I got nothing against Bargnani because I think he has a role that can be played but the reality is that he is a NBA journeyman caliber talent that we have the luxury of paying $12 milllion to. Is he any better than the Josh McRoberts, Anthony Tollivers', (modern) Hedo Turkoglu's of the world? Recognizing any of this doesn't mean we are bemoaning the past but instead we are simply acknowledging the bleak present.

Overpay a guy that does one thing well and is one dimensional. We didn't want to pay lin, but we gave Novak 4MM per for 4 years, just astounding.

Bargs has been terrible for years, he can't rebound, shoot or defend and we had the balls to give up a draft pick.

Tough to get on board when you have expensive players like Amare and Tyson locked in at the position and especially when Melo played so well at the 4.