Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Don't hang your head Papbear. Get in there and argument back. Stand up for what you believe in.

says the guy who left the forum for 2+ years?

Wow! 2+ years? He's sure back with a vengence! Just kidding

Papabear Says

Someone brought up the names Andrew and Martin. Yes this is their forum and I respect that. but I have a right to disagree how things are sometimes ran on this forum and they have a right to tell me where to go. This was the only forum I put my faith and respect in. Now I started going to other forums. I haven't posted on the real gm in years. But I'm back because I have that right. Just as Martin and Andrew have the right to run their forum the way they see fit. No way will I put up with every thread the hate Melo thing. I now will just go elsewhere on other thread. Here I already have one foot out the door. And not with anger, but with the right to go where I want to in order to get satisfaction, enjoyment, and fun debates.

You couldn't be further off. Thse are the only active Melo threads I see:
-Move A has to be re-signing Melo (Briggs thread)
-This thread here about never criticizing Melo
-The "For all the people who love Melo" thread (Fitzfarm)
and
-The "Have to keep Melo" thread (Briggs)

Papabear Says

Bonn you don't get it. I don't know why I'm wasting my time with you about this. It don't have to have Melo's name on the opening part of the thread. The thread can read World Peace having fun and it will wound up with a hate Melo part of it. Look I don't care anymore you can have 100 threads about Melo. If the leaders don't care why should I. But I will tell you one thing. The forum just ain't the same anymore and way before we had haters and lovers and the debate was on and good debates. Now I see other moderate posters who use to post here but are now gone. I ran into some on other forums. Look I have the most respect for Martin and Andrew and I've been here for a while. Things just changed and I personally have a problem with it. But who am I? At least on the other forum I don't have to deal with certain posters.You can be a hater but damn don't be a sicko and say things that will make you look like a ra????. Ignore don't totally remove the person from the thread.
You must have laws to go by to keep posters from straying and say sicko things that is not true.

Marcala12 wrote:i think the board is solid. there are a few well spoken Melo haters who are delusional trolls, and there are some over the top Lin Lovers, but 90% of people are on point. Don't let dk/tk/playa ruin the rest of the board for you. DK said Melo and Gallo should get paid around the same $$$, lol. don't let someone so clueless and agenda driven have any impact on your user experience; he's not worth it. In case you need more evidence of that, see his wonderful "IQ post" in this thread. Don't even give him a second thought; he doesn't deserve it.

yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

gallinari is being paid the amount that a 2.5 to 3rd option should be paid as a team on building towards contention. denver has been rebuilding and at 10.1 million is a good value for the price. his value lies in his completeness. he excels at drawing fouls and decision-making but in every other facet of the game is merely slightly above average. but as with synergy in a team we can have players who have a certain "internal" or "individual" synergy that nonetheless translates to team success. I believe that Denver is a much more successful team with Gallinari out there. obviously he could end up a casualty of history but as it is he still has a good future if he can manage to maintain his health. ujiri took a chance here and so far it has not been a success due to injury not lack of value if healthy. again ujiri took that chance.

i have asserted that melo is also a 2.5 to 3rd option on a title contending team-- much data and his infamy for playoff failure backs this up-- therefore he has been vastly overpaid while a knick. so when i say he is worth 12-13 million it is bearing in mind it is as a knick wherein he was vastly overpaid in the first place.

do you understand? if you don't then feel free to ask me to clarify where you are confused.

as you know when i don't understand something i don't hurl personal insults... i ask probing questions that either go unanswered or if answered are filled with misdirection that i am then compelled to point out.

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:i think the board is solid. there are a few well spoken Melo haters who are delusional trolls, and there are some over the top Lin Lovers, but 90% of people are on point. Don't let dk/tk/playa ruin the rest of the board for you. DK said Melo and Gallo should get paid around the same $$$, lol. don't let someone so clueless and agenda driven have any impact on your user experience; he's not worth it. In case you need more evidence of that, see his wonderful "IQ post" in this thread. Don't even give him a second thought; he doesn't deserve it.

yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

gallinari is being paid the amount that a 2.5 to 3rd option should be paid as a team on building towards contention. denver has been rebuilding and at 10.1 million is a good value for the price. his value lies in his completeness. he excels at drawing fouls and decision-making but in every other facet of the game is merely slightly above average. but as with synergy in a team we can have players who have a certain "internal" or "individual" synergy that nonetheless translates to team success. I believe that Denver is a much more successful team with Gallinari out there. obviously he could end up a casualty of history but as it is he still has a good future if he can manage to maintain his health. ujiri took a chance here and so far it has not been a success due to injury not lack of value if healthy. again ujiri took that chance.

i have asserted that melo is also a 2.5 to 3rd option on a title contending team-- much data and his infamy for playoff failure backs this up-- therefore he has been vastly overpaid while a knick. so when i say he is worth 12-13 million it is bearing in mind it is as a knick wherein he was vastly overpaid in the first place.

do you understand? if you don't then feel free to ask me to clarify where you are confused.

as you know when i don't understand something i don't hurl personal insults... i ask probing questions that either go unanswered or if answered are filled with misdirection that i am then compelled to point out.

I'm confused. Please set up the hierarchy of players by their pay scale please. Also state the 1st, 2nd and 2.5 options, as you see it.

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:i think the board is solid. there are a few well spoken Melo haters who are delusional trolls, and there are some over the top Lin Lovers, but 90% of people are on point. Don't let dk/tk/playa ruin the rest of the board for you. DK said Melo and Gallo should get paid around the same $$$, lol. don't let someone so clueless and agenda driven have any impact on your user experience; he's not worth it. In case you need more evidence of that, see his wonderful "IQ post" in this thread. Don't even give him a second thought; he doesn't deserve it.

yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

gallinari is being paid the amount that a 2.5 to 3rd option should be paid as a team on building towards contention. denver has been rebuilding and at 10.1 million is a good value for the price. his value lies in his completeness. he excels at drawing fouls and decision-making but in every other facet of the game is merely slightly above average. but as with synergy in a team we can have players who have a certain "internal" or "individual" synergy that nonetheless translates to team success. I believe that Denver is a much more successful team with Gallinari out there. obviously he could end up a casualty of history but as it is he still has a good future if he can manage to maintain his health. ujiri took a chance here and so far it has not been a success due to injury not lack of value if healthy. again ujiri took that chance.

i have asserted that melo is also a 2.5 to 3rd option on a title contending team-- much data and his infamy for playoff failure backs this up-- therefore he has been vastly overpaid while a knick. so when i say he is worth 12-13 million it is bearing in mind it is as a knick wherein he was vastly overpaid in the first place.

do you understand? if you don't then feel free to ask me to clarify where you are confused.

as you know when i don't understand something i don't hurl personal insults... i ask probing questions that either go unanswered or if answered are filled with misdirection that i am then compelled to point out.

I'm confused. Please set up the hierarchy of players by their pay scale please. Also state the 1st, 2nd and 2.5 options, as you see it.

who are you? i don't know you and guess what i don't work for people i don't know.

i'm not gonna do that work for you. give me a name and i'll tell you his value. then you can make your own damn logic trees and venn diagrams.

remember you can't create a "vacuum value" based on nut-gargling a player's nuts... it has to be in context of what part of a cycle the team is on. and content of character is an increasingly important attribute, too.

tkf doesn't want him here no way no how. bonn1997. i believe, agrees that at the right price carmelo becomes a "good" player. i have said 12-13 million he is a good player. bonn1997 has his own number he is clearly mulling over.

dk7th wrote:
yeah my love for the knicks outstrips my hatred for carmelo anthony. the good folks at realgm don't understand such nuances-- do you? as i said-- the reason i no longer posted there was because a global mod-- a gaulieiter with a username of "moocow"-- didn't take kindly to the suggestion that he remove carmelo anthony's nuts from his mouth. so it was personal not philosophical. besides that he was one of the most ignorant basketball posters i have ever encountered in a position of authority. everything he said was wrong. everything he predicted was wrong. you can look it up. he was quite stupid really. he occupied that dangerous territory of middling intellect and power, probably around 118-124 IQ i reckon.

my iq is a good deal higher.

anyhoo some people around here like the taste of melo's nuts. i am pretty sure you are not one of them so what is your problem with what i post?

*Slow Clap*

This is coming from the guy who constantly complains that Melo is egotistical. Look in the mirror, I think you'll find you two are not so different.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:i think the board is solid. there are a few well spoken Melo haters who are delusional trolls, and there are some over the top Lin Lovers, but 90% of people are on point. Don't let dk/tk/playa ruin the rest of the board for you. DK said Melo and Gallo should get paid around the same $$$, lol. don't let someone so clueless and agenda driven have any impact on your user experience; he's not worth it. In case you need more evidence of that, see his wonderful "IQ post" in this thread. Don't even give him a second thought; he doesn't deserve it.

yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

gallinari is being paid the amount that a 2.5 to 3rd option should be paid as a team on building towards contention. denver has been rebuilding and at 10.1 million is a good value for the price. his value lies in his completeness. he excels at drawing fouls and decision-making but in every other facet of the game is merely slightly above average. but as with synergy in a team we can have players who have a certain "internal" or "individual" synergy that nonetheless translates to team success. I believe that Denver is a much more successful team with Gallinari out there. obviously he could end up a casualty of history but as it is he still has a good future if he can manage to maintain his health. ujiri took a chance here and so far it has not been a success due to injury not lack of value if healthy. again ujiri took that chance.

i have asserted that melo is also a 2.5 to 3rd option on a title contending team-- much data and his infamy for playoff failure backs this up-- therefore he has been vastly overpaid while a knick. so when i say he is worth 12-13 million it is bearing in mind it is as a knick wherein he was vastly overpaid in the first place.

do you understand? if you don't then feel free to ask me to clarify where you are confused.

as you know when i don't understand something i don't hurl personal insults... i ask probing questions that either go unanswered or if answered are filled with misdirection that i am then compelled to point out.

I'm confused. Please set up the hierarchy of players by their pay scale please. Also state the 1st, 2nd and 2.5 options, as you see it.

who are you? i don't know you and guess what i don't work for people i don't know.

i'm not gonna do that work for you. give me a name and i'll tell you his value. then you can make your own damn logic trees and venn diagrams.

remember you can't create a "vacuum value" based on nut-gargling a player's nuts... it has to be in context of what part of a cycle the team is on. and content of character is an increasingly important attribute, too.

tkf doesn't want him here no way no how. bonn1997. i believe, agrees that at the right price carmelo becomes a "good" player. i have said 12-13 million he is a good player. bonn1997 has his own number he is clearly mulling over.

You are the king of questions for others. Sangfroid has posted here a lot longer then you. I think it is a fair question.

let him speak for himself why don't you. and what does it matter that YOU know him?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:i think the board is solid. there are a few well spoken Melo haters who are delusional trolls, and there are some over the top Lin Lovers, but 90% of people are on point. Don't let dk/tk/playa ruin the rest of the board for you. DK said Melo and Gallo should get paid around the same $$$, lol. don't let someone so clueless and agenda driven have any impact on your user experience; he's not worth it. In case you need more evidence of that, see his wonderful "IQ post" in this thread. Don't even give him a second thought; he doesn't deserve it.

yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

gallinari is being paid the amount that a 2.5 to 3rd option should be paid as a team on building towards contention. denver has been rebuilding and at 10.1 million is a good value for the price. his value lies in his completeness. he excels at drawing fouls and decision-making but in every other facet of the game is merely slightly above average. but as with synergy in a team we can have players who have a certain "internal" or "individual" synergy that nonetheless translates to team success. I believe that Denver is a much more successful team with Gallinari out there. obviously he could end up a casualty of history but as it is he still has a good future if he can manage to maintain his health. ujiri took a chance here and so far it has not been a success due to injury not lack of value if healthy. again ujiri took that chance.

i have asserted that melo is also a 2.5 to 3rd option on a title contending team-- much data and his infamy for playoff failure backs this up-- therefore he has been vastly overpaid while a knick. so when i say he is worth 12-13 million it is bearing in mind it is as a knick wherein he was vastly overpaid in the first place.

do you understand? if you don't then feel free to ask me to clarify where you are confused.

as you know when i don't understand something i don't hurl personal insults... i ask probing questions that either go unanswered or if answered are filled with misdirection that i am then compelled to point out.

I'm confused. Please set up the hierarchy of players by their pay scale please. Also state the 1st, 2nd and 2.5 options, as you see it.

who are you? i don't know you and guess what i don't work for people i don't know.

i'm not gonna do that work for you. give me a name and i'll tell you his value. then you can make your own damn logic trees and venn diagrams.

remember you can't create a "vacuum value" based on nut-gargling a player's nuts... it has to be in context of what part of a cycle the team is on. and content of character is an increasingly important attribute, too.

tkf doesn't want him here no way no how. bonn1997. i believe, agrees that at the right price carmelo becomes a "good" player. i have said 12-13 million he is a good player. bonn1997 has his own number he is clearly mulling over.

You are the king of questions for others. Sangfroid has posted here a lot longer then you. I think it is a fair question.

let him speak for himself why don't you. and what does it matter that YOU know him?

It really doesn't matter to me but you often ask posters to answer questions. To respond to someone that you don't know them appears to be dodging the response. I know I would have a hard time defending your point so I am very interested to see your response.

i ask them to answer questions based on what they think they know. i almost never ask them to provide information. if i do all that work and he ends up not responding with something of equal value i will have wasted my time and he will have gotten something for nothing, aka stealing.

answer this if you dare: how much should the knicks pay carmelo anthony? i say 12-13 million and i have explained why very clearly for a while now.

you do the same-- give a number and explain why. or are you going to continue to play games?

I'm confused. Please set up the hierarchy of players by their pay scale please. Also state the 1st, 2nd and 2.5 options, as you see

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Ive been on this forum for a while and this Forum is starting to change. For me it's not for the best. Seems every thread wound up being a I hate Melo thread. It's getting worst every day. I started looking at other forums and view what they post. I don't post there. I have tickets for 2 more games this season and I plan to enjoy myself. I don't mind a good debate about the Knicks but when sickos post crazy things over and over about one player. And go to other threads and do the same thing and no one is doing anything about it I start to question the motives of the forum. Maybe I don't belong here because the hate goes beyond the game of basketball. Over and over again and again. We now have a new poster well not new but all of a sudden here he is back again being a poster boy for you know who. This personal hate of Melo needs to be address. I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. I come here for enjoyment but lately every damn thread wounds up being about how much they hate Melo. Melo will be the face of the Knicks for a long long time. I notice that some of the fair minded posters are posting less. Maybe it's time to move on and let them others take over the forum. Maybe! only time will tell.

We've only got another 2 months of it to put up with- the Melo either gets traded or re-signs with us long term (at which point I think the melo haters will quit the boards)

I don't have a problem with people critiquing Melo, but I get a bit bored when it's the same point over and over and over again- it's like being stuck in a rut. At some point you have to accept you've made your case, and move on to another subject

i for one won't stick around if he is resigned to such a high salary that it leaves the knicks no chance to acquire players who will put him in his place. believe it or not melo will be a good player at the right price, which is around 12-13 million per year. but every dollar above 13 million makes him worse and worse. it's always a balance of price versus value. he didn't understand that and of course he had the perfect accomplice in dolan.

that's why phil jackson being here is so important, assuming he has complete autonomy. he is a smart and persuasive man and he has 13 reasons for people to back that up.

sorry if critiquing a player is boring but you see his game has not evolved in areas that are required to win, and his arrival created so much turmoil that the knicks could never get the right players in place to achieve anything substantial.

Didn't you say you were leaving over at realgm if the melo trade went through? My understanding was you stayed until they didn't allow you to be post there any longer.

yeah my love for the knicks outstrips my hatred for carmelo anthony. the good folks at realgm don't understand such nuances-- do you? as i said-- the reason i no longer posted there was because a global mod-- a gaulieiter with a username of "moocow"-- didn't take kindly to the suggestion that he remove carmelo anthony's nuts from his mouth. so it was personal not philosophical. besides that he was one of the most ignorant basketball posters i have ever encountered in a position of authority. everything he said was wrong. everything he predicted was wrong. you can look it up. he was quite stupid really. he occupied that dangerous territory of middling intellect and power, probably around 118-124 IQ i reckon.

my iq is a good deal higher.

anyhoo some people around here like the taste of melo's nuts. i am pretty sure you are not one of them so what is your problem with what i post?

IQ is like education... When you need to remind people of yours it's because it doesn't show.

You got kicked off because your a troll. You and your compadre both

well of course you are wrong again sunny jim-- but hey see if you prefer cozying up to your spiritual brethren moocow and godshamgod on realgm knicks they have nice big couches.

here's a thought experiment: if it is true that i am a troll then why have i not been banned from this forum? are you saying that martin and andrew do not know what they are doing? if they disagree with you-- and apparently they do-- does this mean they are liars or stupid?

seems like everyone you disagree with is a lowlife and a moron.

You dont seem to like it when people infer that you're stupid. Why is that?

It's funny that it drives you so wild. I would think that someone who says such patently dumb things would be used to it by now. Couching it in fancy vocabulary doesn't make you any smarter. Just makes you a moron with just enough sense to buy a dictionary.

To be clear, your opinion on things in general:

If somebody asks you to clarify your position, a position you hold with a thin minority of people, they're stealing from you by wanting you to further elucidate your opinion. It is in fact their job to fresh out your ideas and positions. How dare they request further info. You dont know them!!! Question. How many people on this board do you know personally? Aren't we all stealing from you?

James Dolan is a lowlife. Its on your SIG. Granted Jim Dolan is a shocking owner of a sports team but a lowlife? Do you know his private life? His charitable donations? His family and circle of friends? The way he maybe went out of his way to help an old ladyaccross the street last week? (Could've happened and you wouldnt know either way would you?) But you have ordained him a lowlife.

Steve Mills is a probably lowlife. See above. Really? Ok.

Carmelo Anthony is only worth $10m a year. Putting aside the fact that some would argue all athletes are obscenely Overpaid and there for none of them are worth millions of anything the fact remains that, as many have tried to point out to you, the market sets a players value and the marker for Carmelo Anthony is a Max contract. So rail against that if you will but to claim otherwise is, well, dumb.

I could go on about all the insipid, self-aggrandising things you say but I dont want to tax your considerable IQ. Your ludicrously inflated opinion of yourself only makes it funnier. There are scores of posters on this board alone who have proven over years and even decades that their basketball knowledge dwarfs yours but in your little universe they are as nothing to your monstrous self-evaluation. I bet that when Fishmike didnt respond to you you thought "hah, finally he realises he has met his match. I have decimated his argument and his self esteem and I am the worlds winner" when in fact he just got bored of interacting with such an obvious plonker.

Youre entitled to any opinion you wish to hold. Just dont expect anyone to give them any credence when expressed by such an obvious boor. Especially when your position is "I dont have to explain myself to you. Do you know who I am?!" Troll is a decent description for want of a better word. I bet everyone at work loves you.

firefly wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Ive been on this forum for a while and this Forum is starting to change. For me it's not for the best. Seems every thread wound up being a I hate Melo thread. It's getting worst every day. I started looking at other forums and view what they post. I don't post there. I have tickets for 2 more games this season and I plan to enjoy myself. I don't mind a good debate about the Knicks but when sickos post crazy things over and over about one player. And go to other threads and do the same thing and no one is doing anything about it I start to question the motives of the forum. Maybe I don't belong here because the hate goes beyond the game of basketball. Over and over again and again. We now have a new poster well not new but all of a sudden here he is back again being a poster boy for you know who. This personal hate of Melo needs to be address. I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. I come here for enjoyment but lately every damn thread wounds up being about how much they hate Melo. Melo will be the face of the Knicks for a long long time. I notice that some of the fair minded posters are posting less. Maybe it's time to move on and let them others take over the forum. Maybe! only time will tell.

We've only got another 2 months of it to put up with- the Melo either gets traded or re-signs with us long term (at which point I think the melo haters will quit the boards)

I don't have a problem with people critiquing Melo, but I get a bit bored when it's the same point over and over and over again- it's like being stuck in a rut. At some point you have to accept you've made your case, and move on to another subject

i for one won't stick around if he is resigned to such a high salary that it leaves the knicks no chance to acquire players who will put him in his place. believe it or not melo will be a good player at the right price, which is around 12-13 million per year. but every dollar above 13 million makes him worse and worse. it's always a balance of price versus value. he didn't understand that and of course he had the perfect accomplice in dolan.

that's why phil jackson being here is so important, assuming he has complete autonomy. he is a smart and persuasive man and he has 13 reasons for people to back that up.

sorry if critiquing a player is boring but you see his game has not evolved in areas that are required to win, and his arrival created so much turmoil that the knicks could never get the right players in place to achieve anything substantial.

Didn't you say you were leaving over at realgm if the melo trade went through? My understanding was you stayed until they didn't allow you to be post there any longer.

yeah my love for the knicks outstrips my hatred for carmelo anthony. the good folks at realgm don't understand such nuances-- do you? as i said-- the reason i no longer posted there was because a global mod-- a gaulieiter with a username of "moocow"-- didn't take kindly to the suggestion that he remove carmelo anthony's nuts from his mouth. so it was personal not philosophical. besides that he was one of the most ignorant basketball posters i have ever encountered in a position of authority. everything he said was wrong. everything he predicted was wrong. you can look it up. he was quite stupid really. he occupied that dangerous territory of middling intellect and power, probably around 118-124 IQ i reckon.

my iq is a good deal higher.

anyhoo some people around here like the taste of melo's nuts. i am pretty sure you are not one of them so what is your problem with what i post?

IQ is like education... When you need to remind people of yours it's because it doesn't show.

You got kicked off because your a troll. You and your compadre both

well of course you are wrong again sunny jim-- but hey see if you prefer cozying up to your spiritual brethren moocow and godshamgod on realgm knicks they have nice big couches.

here's a thought experiment: if it is true that i am a troll then why have i not been banned from this forum? are you saying that martin and andrew do not know what they are doing? if they disagree with you-- and apparently they do-- does this mean they are liars or stupid?

seems like everyone you disagree with is a lowlife and a moron.

You dont seem to like it when people infer that you're stupid. Why is that?

It's funny that it drives you so wild. I would think that someone who says such patently dumb things would be used to it by now. Couching it in fancy vocabulary doesn't make you any smarter. Just makes you a moron with just enough sense to buy a dictionary.

To be clear, your opinion on things in general:

If somebody asks you to clarify your position, a position you hold with a thin minority of people, they're stealing from you by wanting you to further elucidate your opinion. It is in fact their job to fresh out your ideas and positions. How dare they request further info. You dont know them!!! Question. How many people on this board do you know personally? Aren't we all stealing from you?

James Dolan is a lowlife. Its on your SIG. Granted Jim Dolan is a shocking owner of a sports team but a lowlife? Do you know his private life? His charitable donations? His family and circle of friends? The way he maybe went out of his way to help an old ladyaccross the street last week? (Could've happened and you wouldnt know either way would you?) But you have ordained him a lowlife.

Steve Mills is a probably lowlife. See above. Really? Ok.

Carmelo Anthony is only worth $10m a year. Putting aside the fact that some would argue all athletes are obscenely Overpaid and there for none of them are worth millions of anything the fact remains that, as many have tried to point out to you, the market sets a players value and the marker for Carmelo Anthony is a Max contract. So rail against that if you will but to claim otherwise is, well, dumb.

I could go on about all the insipid, self-aggrandising things you say but I dont want to tax your considerable IQ. Your ludicrously inflated opinion of yourself only makes it funnier. There are scores of posters on this board alone who have proven over years and even decades that their basketball knowledge dwarfs yours but in your little universe they are as nothing to your monstrous self-evaluation. I bet that when Fishmike didnt respond to you you thought "hah, finally he realises he has met his match. I have decimated his argument and his self esteem and I am the worlds winner" when in fact he just got bored of interacting with such an obvious plonker.

Youre entitled to any opinion you wish to hold. Just dont expect anyone to give them any credence when expressed by such an obvious boor. Especially when your position is "I dont have to explain myself to you. Do you know who I am?!" Troll is a decent description for want of a better word. I bet everyone at work loves you.

CrushAlot wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Don't hang your head Papbear. Get in there and argument back. Stand up for what you believe in.

says the guy who left the forum for 2+ years?

Wow! 2+ years? He's sure back with a vengence! Just kidding

Papabear Says

Someone brought up the names Andrew and Martin. Yes this is their forum and I respect that. but I have a right to disagree how things are sometimes ran on this forum and they have a right to tell me where to go. This was the only forum I put my faith and respect in. Now I started going to other forums. I haven't posted on the real gm in years. But I'm back because I have that right. Just as Martin and Andrew have the right to run their forum the way they see fit. No way will I put up with every thread the hate Melo thing. I now will just go elsewhere on other thread. Here I already have one foot out the door. And not with anger, but with the right to go where I want to in order to get satisfaction, enjoyment, and fun debates.

You couldn't be further off. Thse are the only active Melo threads I see:
-Move A has to be re-signing Melo (Briggs thread)
-This thread here about never criticizing Melo
-The "For all the people who love Melo" thread (Fitzfarm)
and
-The "Have to keep Melo" thread (Briggs)

Papabear Says

Bonn you don't get it. I don't know why I'm wasting my time with you about this. It don't have to have Melo's name on the opening part of the thread. The thread can read World Peace having fun and it will wound up with a hate Melo part of it. Look I don't care anymore you can have 100 threads about Melo. If the leaders don't care why should I. But I will tell you one thing. The forum just ain't the same anymore and way before we had haters and lovers and the debate was on and good debates. Now I see other moderate posters who use to post here but are now gone. I ran into some on other forums. Look I have the most respect for Martin and Andrew and I've been here for a while. Things just changed and I personally have a problem with it. But who am I? At least on the other forum I don't have to deal with certain posters.You can be a hater but damn don't be a sicko and say things that will make you look like a ra????. Ignore don't totally remove the person from the thread.
You must have laws to go by to keep posters from straying and say sicko things that is not true.

I agree to some extent but I also think things change and evolve. One thing that the new anti-melo guys are good at is getting a reaction and getting guys to post and debate. I find it is pretty frustrating at times

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Ive been on this forum for a while and this Forum is starting to change. For me it's not for the best. Seems every thread wound up being a I hate Melo thread. It's getting worst every day. I started looking at other forums and view what they post. I don't post there. I have tickets for 2 more games this season and I plan to enjoy myself. I don't mind a good debate about the Knicks but when sickos post crazy things over and over about one player. And go to other threads and do the same thing and no one is doing anything about it I start to question the motives of the forum. Maybe I don't belong here because the hate goes beyond the game of basketball. Over and over again and again. We now have a new poster well not new but all of a sudden here he is back again being a poster boy for you know who. This personal hate of Melo needs to be address. I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. I come here for enjoyment but lately every damn thread wounds up being about how much they hate Melo. Melo will be the face of the Knicks for a long long time. I notice that some of the fair minded posters are posting less. Maybe it's time to move on and let them others take over the forum. Maybe! only time will tell.

We've only got another 2 months of it to put up with- the Melo either gets traded or re-signs with us long term (at which point I think the melo haters will quit the boards)

I don't have a problem with people critiquing Melo, but I get a bit bored when it's the same point over and over and over again- it's like being stuck in a rut. At some point you have to accept you've made your case, and move on to another subject

i for one won't stick around if he is resigned to such a high salary that it leaves the knicks no chance to acquire players who will put him in his place. believe it or not melo will be a good player at the right price, which is around 12-13 million per year. but every dollar above 13 million makes him worse and worse. it's always a balance of price versus value. he didn't understand that and of course he had the perfect accomplice in dolan.

that's why phil jackson being here is so important, assuming he has complete autonomy. he is a smart and persuasive man and he has 13 reasons for people to back that up.

sorry if critiquing a player is boring but you see his game has not evolved in areas that are required to win, and his arrival created so much turmoil that the knicks could never get the right players in place to achieve anything substantial.

Didn't you say you were leaving over at realgm if the melo trade went through? My understanding was you stayed until they didn't allow you to be post there any longer.

yeah my love for the knicks outstrips my hatred for carmelo anthony. the good folks at realgm don't understand such nuances-- do you? as i said-- the reason i no longer posted there was because a global mod-- a gaulieiter with a username of "moocow"-- didn't take kindly to the suggestion that he remove carmelo anthony's nuts from his mouth. so it was personal not philosophical. besides that he was one of the most ignorant basketball posters i have ever encountered in a position of authority. everything he said was wrong. everything he predicted was wrong. you can look it up. he was quite stupid really. he occupied that dangerous territory of middling intellect and power, probably around 118-124 IQ i reckon.

my iq is a good deal higher.

anyhoo some people around here like the taste of melo's nuts. i am pretty sure you are not one of them so what is your problem with what i post?

IQ is like education... When you need to remind people of yours it's because it doesn't show.

You got kicked off because your a troll. You and your compadre both

well of course you are wrong again sunny jim-- but hey see if you prefer cozying up to your spiritual brethren moocow and godshamgod on realgm knicks they have nice big couches.

here's a thought experiment: if it is true that i am a troll then why have i not been banned from this forum? are you saying that martin and andrew do not know what they are doing? if they disagree with you-- and apparently they do-- does this mean they are liars or stupid?

seems like everyone you disagree with is a lowlife and a moron.

You dont seem to like it when people infer that you're stupid. Why is that?

It's funny that it drives you so wild. I would think that someone who says such patently dumb things would be used to it by now. Couching it in fancy vocabulary doesn't make you any smarter. Just makes you a moron with just enough sense to buy a dictionary.

To be clear, your opinion on things in general:

If somebody asks you to clarify your position, a position you hold with a thin minority of people, they're stealing from you by wanting you to further elucidate your opinion. It is in fact their job to fresh out your ideas and positions. How dare they request further info. You dont know them!!! Question. How many people on this board do you know personally? Aren't we all stealing from you?

James Dolan is a lowlife. Its on your SIG. Granted Jim Dolan is a shocking owner of a sports team but a lowlife? Do you know his private life? His charitable donations? His family and circle of friends? The way he maybe went out of his way to help an old ladyaccross the street last week? (Could've happened and you wouldnt know either way would you?) But you have ordained him a lowlife.

Steve Mills is a probably lowlife. See above. Really? Ok.

Carmelo Anthony is only worth $10m a year. Putting aside the fact that some would argue all athletes are obscenely Overpaid and there for none of them are worth millions of anything the fact remains that, as many have tried to point out to you, the market sets a players value and the marker for Carmelo Anthony is a Max contract. So rail against that if you will but to claim otherwise is, well, dumb.

I could go on about all the insipid, self-aggrandising things you say but I dont want to tax your considerable IQ. Your ludicrously inflated opinion of yourself only makes it funnier. There are scores of posters on this board alone who have proven over years and even decades that their basketball knowledge dwarfs yours but in your little universe they are as nothing to your monstrous self-evaluation. I bet that when Fishmike didnt respond to you you thought "hah, finally he realises he has met his match. I have decimated his argument and his self esteem and I am the worlds winner" when in fact he just got bored of interacting with such an obvious plonker.

Youre entitled to any opinion you wish to hold. Just dont expect anyone to give them any credence when expressed by such an obvious boor. Especially when your position is "I dont have to explain myself to you. Do you know who I am?!" Troll is a decent description for want of a better word. I bet everyone at work loves you.

Come on, at least admit that he and TKF were the only ones here right about the team this year, and maybe take notes when they talk instead.
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I see you are still on your "Captain save-a-poster" steeze again. My response to the post above had nothing to do with predicting what the Knicks were going to do this year (I was not one of the posters that predicted 50-60 wins...I'm on record as saying the Knicks overachieved last year). Look at the what I bolded and you will see what myself and many others have been saying about dk for a minute.