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We have a very good player in THJ
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RonRon
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3/12/2014  5:53 PM
We don't have many real assets outside of Melo, Tim Hardway JR is our most attractive piece other teams could buy high on
Many teams have a lot multiple picks this summer and might buy HIGH on Hardaway's abilities/potential
If we can get 2 2nd rounders in this draft that are early to mid, in addition to a future 1st rounder, it would be hard to give up with all the holes we need to fill
With JR, Iman, and Tim Hardaway JR all playing the SG position, it would make sense to make a trade for one of these players that would net us back talent we desperately need
This draft is really deep and I believe we would be able to even grab high ceilings players that could slip to the later 2nd round and possibly undrafted
If we can trade Iman/Chandler for OKC's 2 1st round picks it would be great, but unlikely, probably just one pick and maybe one of their younger prospects


In no order, if we can grab 2-3 players, with the continued development of players like Tyler, James Johnson, our MLE, and undrafted players or previous drafts with high potentials
It would surely help our future development, something Phil Jackson has shown he has been capable of molding players if he chooses his own coaching/development staff
Maybe Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, Fred Hoiberg, Pippen, Kukoc, Horace Grant, Longley/Cartright, BJ Armstrong, Paxson

PG's that can also play SG
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DeAndre Kane
Delon Wright (could be in 2015 draft)

Burton *scoring PG with supreme athleticism*

PF/C
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Jordan Bachynski 7-2
Alec Brown 7-1 *stretch 4-5*

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BigDaddyG
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3/12/2014  6:42 PM
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice


3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hardati02&y1=2014&p2=afflaar01&y2=2008&p3=martike02&y3=2005&p4=redicjj01&y4=2007


Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.


Not that I don't like MCW.. I think he's really good , but I also see Timmy rising fast to where I think with MCW is going to have to work a lot harder then thjr to improve his game. Wouldn't be surprised if MCW 5 years from now is still at 16 and 6 .Timmy 5 years from now could be one of the best three point shooters and scorer in the game averaging over 20 a game.

"could be" just like people were saying that Landry "could be" bernard king - heck, he shot 49 pct in his rookie year and was deadly from 3.

I look at them now and MCW is FAR better now and has FAR more upside just because he really has the instincts and understands the game.

Right now, THJ is a streaky sharp shooter who is a sieve on defense. Streaky sharp shooters who don't play defense should not be compared to players who have triple doubles in their rookie year. See how much better Rondo got as time went by? You can't teach those skills.

Not saying I disagree with you about MCW. I always thought that he'd be a good pro and L was hopeful that his stock would drop to the point where the Knicks can pick him up. I just didn't think it would happen this quickly. But getting a triple double during your rookie year doesn't automatically guarantee future success. Remember Terrence Williams:http://nesn.com/2010/04/terrence-williams-tripledouble-helps-nets-play-spoiler-with-127116-2ot-win/

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
mreinman
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3/12/2014  6:46 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice


3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hardati02&y1=2014&p2=afflaar01&y2=2008&p3=martike02&y3=2005&p4=redicjj01&y4=2007


Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.


Not that I don't like MCW.. I think he's really good , but I also see Timmy rising fast to where I think with MCW is going to have to work a lot harder then thjr to improve his game. Wouldn't be surprised if MCW 5 years from now is still at 16 and 6 .Timmy 5 years from now could be one of the best three point shooters and scorer in the game averaging over 20 a game.

"could be" just like people were saying that Landry "could be" bernard king - heck, he shot 49 pct in his rookie year and was deadly from 3.

I look at them now and MCW is FAR better now and has FAR more upside just because he really has the instincts and understands the game.

Right now, THJ is a streaky sharp shooter who is a sieve on defense. Streaky sharp shooters who don't play defense should not be compared to players who have triple doubles in their rookie year. See how much better Rondo got as time went by? You can't teach those skills.

Not saying I disagree with you about MCW. I always thought that he'd be a good pro and L was hopeful that his stock would drop to the point where the Knicks can pick him up. I just didn't think it would happen this quickly. But getting a triple double during your rookie year doesn't automatically guarantee future success. Remember Terrence Williams:http://nesn.com/2010/04/terrence-williams-tripledouble-helps-nets-play-spoiler-with-127116-2ot-win/

Yeah - Triple Double is not what makes me think he will be good. I is just damn good and better than I thought he would be as well.

Clyde could not stop gushing about his basketball IQ.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
We have a very good player in THJ

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