Marcala12 wrote:you really gotta stop talking to this chick, tfk/dk/bonn. Two days ago she said Deng should be getting paid more than Melo, seriously. Like why bother after that? don't waste the brain cells. Deng is a third piece on a decent team, Melo is a borderline top 5 player...this chick was trying to say Deng should get more $, lol. fitting that they squared off against each other tonight. And as usual, Deng just doesn't do enough to have a heavy impact. there aren't many people dumb enough to seriously think Deng is worth more $ than Melo; and yet one of the only morons out there gets exactly what she wants night in and night out....back and forth arguments.

CrushAlot wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:you really gotta stop talking to this chick, tfk/dk/bonn. Two days ago she said Deng should be getting paid more than Melo, seriously. Like why bother after that? don't waste the brain cells. Deng is a third piece on a decent team, Melo is a borderline top 5 player...this chick was trying to say Deng should get more $, lol. fitting that they squared off against each other tonight. And as usual, Deng just doesn't do enough to have a heavy impact. there aren't many people dumb enough to seriously think Deng is worth more $ than Melo; and yet one of the only morons out there gets exactly what she wants night in and night out....back and forth arguments.

One of those guys is a true troll. Provocative and insighting reactions despite not watching games and just posting the same stuff without any knowledge of what is going on on the court. TKF just hates Melo. He knows ball and when unbiased about situations is a fun guy to talk to just ignore melo/gallo talk. Bonn watches parts of games but really wants to go stats all the time. No reason at all to defend Tyson if you watch any games this year prior to the Bill Simmons rant but he finds away to discount what you see which is just wrong. DK was banned from realgm. They had an amnesty a poster thread over there and while he was already banned his troll behavior was a frequent topic in the thread and his name was brought as a guy to be amnestied if he wasn't already banned. Martin and Andrew have given this guy a long leash. His actions are troll like and he has posted some stuff that has gotten others banned. Can't recall the posters name but he used to post links to games and worked for msg. Unfortunatley he was a racist. DK has posted in a similar manner. Not sure why Martin and Andrew allow him to continue his nonsense.

crush, thanks for the insight. I probably shouldn't have thrown bonn into the mix there, although he and "playa" aren't bringing a whole lot to the table lately. But the other two are bad for the board. Dude said Gallo should get paid 11 mil a year while Melo should only get 12....totally irrational. It just sucks because 95% of the folks on here are knicks fans and they know bball, i love reading everyone's stuff. But there are a couple of weirdo's that throw things off almost on a daily basis.

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TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

if melo doesn't go to chicago he just proves that he has always been afraid of working on the uphill side of the court. melo is going to look bad except in one scenario which is offering to play for what he is actually worth which is 12-13 million a year. he owes new yorkers that and big time.

big time character check for carmelo anthony.

He doesn't owe NY anything. C'mon.

He should go to Chicago because that is his best chance to win. He has to be an idiot to stay here. The team has no plan unless he takes a nice discount but even if he does, great we'll get Tyreke Evans, Nick Young, Josh Smith, Jennings etc ...

In Chicago the team is in place and its a win now situation.

This is a done deal - no brainer. LA? No way! Def not the Lakers.

funny you say he doesn't owe ny anything. that was the same sentiment i held when he was in denver and then look what he did for denver!

or maybe you feel the two scenarios are utterly different? and if you do please explain in what way they are? i need to be educated.

no matter what he does it is lose-lose for him. stay in new york and be a loser or join chicago and be forever reviled by new yorkers while hating to work hard for thibodoux or be benched. really good stuff! this is a fate he so richly deserves.

I am no great Melo fan and despise his flaws. I do respect that he is talented but top 15 not top 5.

Do you really think that he would have waited to the off season with the new CB coming? And with his cancerous agents blabbering in his ear? You give him way too much credit if you blame him for this decision. He is not the biggest genius and did what most would have done (that year). Maybe in retrospect he regrets the way that went down just like Lebron regrets that stupid "decision". These guys do dumb things, though Melo's at the time did not seem as dumb (new CB).

I don't want him hear for more than 18-20. I think that is realistic. However, if he leaves, I am okay because that means that we get a fresh start in 2015. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and make good "decisions" (one could hope).

you throw out 18-20 as though that will enable the knicks to afford other players in the formation of a winner. you don't truly believe that because that is an absurd amount to pay and you would need an absolute genius gm and incredible luck to make a winner out of the knicks.

hence if you are not a genius gm and you know that you have squandered your luck then you must lowball the **** out of him or let the chips fall where they may.

I think its a lose lose situation. I think 18-20, we can still get lucky. I think if they let him go, perhaps they can still get lucky and rebuild a winner (though I doubt that). I certainly don't think that he would take less than 18 and certainly with the knicks having zero plan or any vision for a successful future.

I am okay with him leaving. Would like to see him succeed in chicago and will not hate him for leaving. Its a business and there is no loyalty on either side.

He is not a bad guy, he just takes too many ill advised shots and does not see how those few extra dumb shots kill his efficiency numbers.

In Chicago, I think that they can absorb is weaknesses and can gain from his dynamic scoring capabilities. Maybe they can actually fine tune him, who knows. Anything is possible - its the right move for him. NY is a petri dish of crap.

it's lose-lose for him. if luck exists the knicks squandered it already in the lin situation. lin was a blessing that melo crapped on. so far as vision there was no vision in acquiring melo in the first place, no vision and no plan.

here is the "decisioning" in february 2011: melo wanted to get paid and dolan wanted a star.

i don't see him winning in chicago i see a divisive presence.

so far as too many ill-advised shots yes this is one of the several huge flaws in his game that hurts his teams deeply. i don't think chicago would ever have the wherewithal to overcome that, especially with a diminished and unevolved derrick rose. i don't think joakim noah would stand for melo's shenanigans no matter how well-intentioned his recruiting is in the present.

What if CHicago goes cheap and doesnt want to amnesty Boozer we take him and another expiring contract Dunleavy or Tony Snell throw in a 2014 Draft pick. They get their man, Carmelo gets his money , we get a draft pick , everyone wins

A sign and trade also allows Chicago use of the MLE whereas if they sign Melo as a free agent they would lose it so I would hold out for another future 1st or at least a couple of 2nds.

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Marcala12 wrote:you really gotta stop talking to this chick, tfk/dk/bonn. Two days ago she said Deng should be getting paid more than Melo, seriously. Like why bother after that? don't waste the brain cells. Deng is a third piece on a decent team, Melo is a borderline top 5 player...this chick was trying to say Deng should get more $, lol. fitting that they squared off against each other tonight. And as usual, Deng just doesn't do enough to have a heavy impact. there aren't many people dumb enough to seriously think Deng is worth more $ than Melo; and yet one of the only morons out there gets exactly what she wants night in and night out....back and forth arguments.

One of those guys is a true troll. Provocative and insighting reactions despite not watching games and just posting the same stuff without any knowledge of what is going on on the court. TKF just hates Melo. He knows ball and when unbiased about situations is a fun guy to talk to just ignore melo/gallo talk. Bonn watches parts of games but really wants to go stats all the time. No reason at all to defend Tyson if you watch any games this year prior to the Bill Simmons rant but he finds away to discount what you see which is just wrong. DK was banned from realgm. They had an amnesty a poster thread over there and while he was already banned his troll behavior was a frequent topic in the thread and his name was brought as a guy to be amnestied if he wasn't already banned. Martin and Andrew have given this guy a long leash. His actions are troll like and he has posted some stuff that has gotten others banned. Can't recall the posters name but he used to post links to games and worked for msg. Unfortunatley he was a racist. DK has posted in a similar manner. Not sure why Martin and Andrew allow him to continue his nonsense.

"not sure." unfortunately you seem to lack the ability to distinguish between "provocative" and "thought provoking." my guess, since i know a great deal about human nature, is that ego is involved, and ego will find a way to trump facts and common sense. not only that but winning an argument supersedes pursuing the truth when ego is involved. that's my take

anyway i'm "pretty sure" there is a good reason why i am not banned from here. but if you really want to find out then by all means feel free to ask martin and andrew while making your case to have me banned from here. that would raise your efficiency. you may not like their answer but hey there is always the ignore button.

all kidding aside: the reason why i was banned, i will remind you-- since, once again, you are "not there" and don't have the facts-- is because i stole a great line from another realgm poster named DocZaius, who had the talent to reduce matters to their most elemental. he was a great poster just like tkf is, but like tkf and myself, could not abide witnessing the hot mess dolan and company managed to make, in which melo played a major role. the line i nicked from DocZaius was something along the lines of saying to moocow "when you're done gargling melo's balls..." hilarious but that was the pretext with which moocow had the grounds to ban me. try to let that sink in and in case you don't get it i will spell it out for you: IT WAS PERSONAL

hence, here is the main fact which will be somewhat deflating to your javert-like mission: moocow is a "global mod" and it is a fact that moocow is a typical martinet ******* with a very thin skin and a middling intellect-- that makes for a dangerous, eichmann-like existence as a midlevel cog in the vast and unmanageable machine that is realgm. the other main prick there, a real lowlife with a middling intellect, is godshamgod. just a straight up punk. you'll like him though.

thought provoking enough for you champ?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:you really gotta stop talking to this chick, tfk/dk/bonn. Two days ago she said Deng should be getting paid more than Melo, seriously. Like why bother after that? don't waste the brain cells. Deng is a third piece on a decent team, Melo is a borderline top 5 player...this chick was trying to say Deng should get more $, lol. fitting that they squared off against each other tonight. And as usual, Deng just doesn't do enough to have a heavy impact. there aren't many people dumb enough to seriously think Deng is worth more $ than Melo; and yet one of the only morons out there gets exactly what she wants night in and night out....back and forth arguments.

One of those guys is a true troll. Provocative and insighting reactions despite not watching games and just posting the same stuff without any knowledge of what is going on on the court. TKF just hates Melo. He knows ball and when unbiased about situations is a fun guy to talk to just ignore melo/gallo talk. Bonn watches parts of games but really wants to go stats all the time. No reason at all to defend Tyson if you watch any games this year prior to the Bill Simmons rant but he finds away to discount what you see which is just wrong. DK was banned from realgm. They had an amnesty a poster thread over there and while he was already banned his troll behavior was a frequent topic in the thread and his name was brought as a guy to be amnestied if he wasn't already banned. Martin and Andrew have given this guy a long leash. His actions are troll like and he has posted some stuff that has gotten others banned. Can't recall the posters name but he used to post links to games and worked for msg. Unfortunatley he was a racist. DK has posted in a similar manner. Not sure why Martin and Andrew allow him to continue his nonsense.

"not sure." unfortunately you seem to lack the ability to distinguish between "provocative" and "thought provoking." my guess, since i know a great deal about human nature, is that ego is involved, and ego will find a way to trump facts and common sense. not only that but winning an argument supersedes pursuing the truth when ego is involved. that's my take

anyway i'm "pretty sure" there is a good reason why i am not banned from here. but if you really want to find out then by all means feel free to ask martin and andrew while making your case to have me banned from here. that would raise your efficiency. you may not like their answer but hey there is always the ignore button.

all kidding aside: the reason why i was banned, i will remind you-- since, once again, you are "not there" and don't have the facts-- is because i stole a great line from another realgm poster named DocZaius, who had the talent to reduce matters to their most elemental. he was a great poster just like tkf is, but like tkf and myself, could not abide witnessing the hot mess dolan and company managed to make, in which melo played a major role. the line i nicked from DocZaius was something along the lines of saying to moocow "when you're done gargling melo's balls..." hilarious but that was the pretext with which moocow had the grounds to ban me. try to let that sink in and in case you don't get it i will spell it out for you: IT WAS PERSONAL

hence, here is the main fact which will be somewhat deflating to your javert-like mission: moocow is a "global mod" and it is a fact that moocow is a typical martinet ******* with a very thin skin and a middling intellect-- that makes for a dangerous, eichmann-like existence as a midlevel cog in the vast and unmanageable machine that is realgm. the other main prick there, a real lowlife with a middling intellect, is godshamgod. just a straight up punk. you'll like him though.

thought provoking enough for you champ?

you hit the nail on the head.... IT was personal....and became a witch hunt..Disgusting if you ask me... once a mod has it in for you there, you are done, because you don't have other mods around who actually modded with integrity and insight... when I was modding there, there were a few mods that not only helped me deal with posters I didn't agree with, but they guided me to the point where me and the poster became really cool... that is true mod leadership... good modding is crucial, it doesn't seek to censor, but to teach and LEARN!!! not to bully and force the majority opinion on others... I learned more from a poster that most didn't like on that site, and that I didn't agree with at all at the time... than I did anywhere else..

hence, here is the main fact which will be somewhat deflating to your javert-like mission: moocow is a "global mod" and it is a fact that moocow is a typical martinet ******* with a very thin skin and a middling intellect-- that makes for a dangerous, eichmann-like existence as a midlevel cog in the vast and unmanageable machine that is realgm. the other main prick there, a real lowlife with a middling intellect, is godshamgod. just a straight up punk. you'll like him though.

LOL..great stuff!!

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TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

if melo doesn't go to chicago he just proves that he has always been afraid of working on the uphill side of the court. melo is going to look bad except in one scenario which is offering to play for what he is actually worth which is 12-13 million a year. he owes new yorkers that and big time.

big time character check for carmelo anthony.

No player owes any team anything, gtfooh. If he was to take 12 million, why the hell would he do it here and sit on his hands and wait and see what this ****ty organization is going to do? If you're gonna take a 8 million dollar paycut, you make sure you go to the best possible team available.

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gunsnewing wrote:I was gonna post this. Heard it on the radio. Hope it's true. Noah was recruiting Melo during the Allstar break and melo's kids love Derrick Rose

I Like Noah, I hope his recruitment is successful.....

Would you want Melo to resign here at 12-13 million?

honestly? NO... I rather a younger, more rounded SF.. one who can initiate offense and defend... one who has his best years ahead of him.. I don't think carmelo is a winner, I don't want his influence on this franchise any more... I want him gone...

LMAOOO....you don't want Carmelo's influence on THIS FRANCHISE anymore? Ohhh lord. You're acting like we were the gold standard of the NBA and this guy came here and ****ed it up.

This organization is full of incompetent losers, top to bottom. You can have Durant here and it's not going to change the way things are run. This organization, located in the biggest, richest city in the world yet has been nothing but the definition of bad, before Carmelo, and it will be that way long after he's gone.

Now Knicks fans are pining for Phil Jackson and making threads about Lin game winners...lol. This is why we are a joke.

I hope he does go to Chicago and leave this cesspool behind....and I'm not even his fan, just can't comprehend that people don't see that the issues this team has is a lot bigger than one name on the roster, the one lone name that is carrying everything on his back.

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TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

if melo doesn't go to chicago he just proves that he has always been afraid of working on the uphill side of the court. melo is going to look bad except in one scenario which is offering to play for what he is actually worth which is 12-13 million a year. he owes new yorkers that and big time.

big time character check for carmelo anthony.

No player owes any team anything, gtfooh. If he was to take 12 million, why the hell would he do it here and sit on his hands and wait and see what this ****ty organization is going to do? If you're gonna take a 8 million dollar paycut, you make sure you go to the best possible team available.

have you considered that the organization is ****ty now because dolan interfered with walsh's work and brought melo here which has prolonged the ****tiness? does melo have any culpability here, any at all?

if he wanted to go to a team and be a contender he had his chance to wait for free agency back in 2011. now this team has to prove it is serious about winning? are YOU serious?

And you don't think that the new CB played into it at all? And even if he has some culpability, people learn and grow in life. Look at "the decision", how stupid was that? Don't expect more from these guys then you should expects from most humans let alone young uneducated ballplayers.

Also, if the knicks did not make all the other dumb moves, they could have actually surrounded him with a winning team even after he raped the poor franchise.

He has the make the best move for him now to win a chip. That is not NY, its Chicago. As I have asked, would you be upset if he won it all in Chicago? I would because I hate Chicago but it won't be because I am overcome by Melo hate.

At least I respect that you want him here for 12-13. TKF does not want him here for anything. You are obviously not the same person and though you can't get over the forced trade and will never forgive him for that, at least you are overall more logical than ...

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tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was gonna post this. Heard it on the radio. Hope it's true. Noah was recruiting Melo during the Allstar break and melo's kids love Derrick Rose

I Like Noah, I hope his recruitment is successful.....

Would you want Melo to resign here at 12-13 million?

honestly? NO... I rather a younger, more rounded SF.. one who can initiate offense and defend... one who has his best years ahead of him.. I don't think carmelo is a winner, I don't want his influence on this franchise any more... I want him gone...

LMAOOO....you don't want Carmelo's influence on THIS FRANCHISE anymore? Ohhh lord. You're acting like we were the gold standard of the NBA and this guy came here and ****ed it up.

This organization is full of incompetent losers, top to bottom. You can have Durant here and it's not going to change the way things are run. This organization, located in the biggest, richest city in the world yet has been nothing but the definition of bad, before Carmelo, and it will be that way long after he's gone.

Now Knicks fans are pining for Phil Jackson and making threads about Lin game winners...lol. This is why we are a joke.

I hope he does go to Chicago and leave this cesspool behind....and I'm not even his fan, just can't comprehend that people don't see that the issues this team has is a lot bigger than one name on the roster, the one lone name that is carrying everything on his back.

carrying teams on his back is just the way he likes it. he is simply a pretty good player putting up inflated numbers on a bad team that he himself helped create with his decisions back in 2011. the dude is oblivious.

Fair enough. The only thing I have issue with is the fact that Melo gets the blame for "raping" the franchise. Ok, I'll even give you guys that. But what about the decade before 2011? That's why I don't think it's fair to ask a guy to take such a huge, huge paycut and expect him to believe that things that haven't changed in twenty years will in the next 2.

Lot's of people have soured on Melo, and I may have too in some ways, but I am seething at the way this place is run. Sexual harrassment lawsuits, absurd media policies, firing people for no apparent reason, keeping people for no apparent reason..how about this...looking for people to fill jobs that are NOT EVEN OPEN, which is what they are doing now with Phil Jackson!

Any decently run organization goes through a process to find the best possible candidates, this company can't even get that part right. If you want to replace me, get rid of me and find a replacement. Don't ****ing tell me you hired somebody, tell me to train him, and show me the door. MSG is a joke.

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dk7th wrote:

Gsus wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was gonna post this. Heard it on the radio. Hope it's true. Noah was recruiting Melo during the Allstar break and melo's kids love Derrick Rose

I Like Noah, I hope his recruitment is successful.....

Would you want Melo to resign here at 12-13 million?

honestly? NO... I rather a younger, more rounded SF.. one who can initiate offense and defend... one who has his best years ahead of him.. I don't think carmelo is a winner, I don't want his influence on this franchise any more... I want him gone...

LMAOOO....you don't want Carmelo's influence on THIS FRANCHISE anymore? Ohhh lord. You're acting like we were the gold standard of the NBA and this guy came here and ****ed it up.

This organization is full of incompetent losers, top to bottom. You can have Durant here and it's not going to change the way things are run. This organization, located in the biggest, richest city in the world yet has been nothing but the definition of bad, before Carmelo, and it will be that way long after he's gone.

Now Knicks fans are pining for Phil Jackson and making threads about Lin game winners...lol. This is why we are a joke.

I hope he does go to Chicago and leave this cesspool behind....and I'm not even his fan, just can't comprehend that people don't see that the issues this team has is a lot bigger than one name on the roster, the one lone name that is carrying everything on his back.

carrying teams on his back is just the way he likes it. he is simply a pretty good player putting up inflated numbers on a bad team that he himself helped create with his decisions back in 2011. the dude is oblivious.

Fair enough. The only thing I have issue with is the fact that Melo gets the blame for "raping" the franchise. Ok, I'll even give you guys that. But what about the decade before 2011? That's why I don't think it's fair to ask a guy to take such a huge, huge paycut and expect him to believe that things that haven't changed in twenty years will in the next 2.

Lot's of people have soured on Melo, and I may have too in some ways, but I am seething at the way this place is run. Sexual harrassment lawsuits, absurd media policies, firing people for no apparent reason, keeping people for no apparent reason..how about this...looking for people to fill jobs that are NOT EVEN OPEN, which is what they are doing now with Phil Jackson!

Any decently run organization goes through a process to find the best possible candidates, this company can't even get that part right. If you want to replace me, get rid of me and find a replacement. Don't ****ing tell me you hired somebody, tell me to train him, and show me the door. MSG is a joke.

well the league interceded, starting with stern asserting that the knicks were "not a model of intelligent management."

next thing you know walsh is hired. you may not have agreed with the hire or what he subsequently did, but the key is tat dolan was required to be hands off and allow walsh to do his job for the full term of his contract. walsh's contract extended beyond february 2011. when dolan could not stay away after all the heavy lifting was done, that was it for walsh, who elegantly bowed out even after his negotiations were sabotaged.

i too despair of the knicks ever getting it right, but if jackson can't secure a clause that completely castrates dolan while jackson is here then we will see more of the same.

i liked the team that walsh was in the process of assembling. i think if melo really knew what he was doing he could have made it here as a free agent and the knicks would have continued to build properly here, even if he was redundant with stat here and even though the obvious upgrade was at the point guard position.

but melo did not know what he was doing, and dolan, who does know what he is doing at all, simply enabled a young man to make a big mistake.