Swishfm3 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Melo produces numbers but he IS NOT THAT GOOD, not unless he can be surrounded by other great players or extreme depth
However, he has made it known that he will opt out of his contract this summer already
My guess, is he already knows he is leaving....

That will never happen unless he takes a paycut for 2015 in NYK

Lebron could opt out this summer, why did he not announce it?

There was no need to make that announcement prior to the season starting and to create a distraction but Melo is what he is, SELFISH, always playing the VICTIM ROLE

We lack talent on the team because of his need to force a trade for an extra year of salary, just so he can OPT OUT OF IT....
Dolan payed a big price to trade for him, stuck by him vs everyone, and has tried do everything to build around him given the circumstances

You can say that about every player in this league!!!

Lebron put up great numbers in Cleveland but didn't win until he surrounded himself with Bosh and Wade

Wade put up great numbers on his own but didnt win until he played with Shaq, Lebron and Bosh.

The flip side to that is...Durant IS surrounded by some great players and yet, he hasn't done squat team wise.

Another thing...what is the real problem people have here with Melo announcing his off season status anyway...WHO CARES! If Woodson, Chandler, Felton and IMAN are personally hurt and allowing Melo announcement to test free agency affect their on court play, then let me tell you, Melo is NOT the problem and we have a much bigger issue at hand.

Another MAN should not be able to affect or control how another MAN feels...especially when it comes to Basketball and if you feel that it does, then you're just a very sensitive person.

well swish no you can't say that about every player..what he is saying is that caremlo isn't as effective unless he has superior talent with him.. Lebron took the cavs to the finals, he always performed well, what great players did dirk have in Dallas? paul george in Indy....

We know winning a ring is tough, but heck we will settle for a trip to the ECF or finals... I don't ever see us getting there with carmelo on this team making max money and as the teams best player.. it just won't work IMO.. There is a lot of history behind him that backs that up..

The flip side to that is...Durant IS surrounded by some great players and yet, he hasn't done squat team wise.

tell me what is "Squat" durant went to the finals like his 5th year in the league.. we should be lucky to have that kind of "squat" on this team.. again it is comments like this that just leads me to believe that some knick fans are not in touch with what is really going on with this team... and the league...

WHO CARES! If Woodson, Chandler, Felton and IMAN are personally hurt and allowing Melo announcement to test free agency affect their on court play, then let me tell you, Melo is NOT the problem and we have a much bigger issue at hand.

Another MAN should not be able to affect or control how another MAN feels...especially when it comes to Basketball and if you feel that it does, then you're just a very sensitive person.

it is funny you say that because wasn't carmelo suspended for going after Garnett because of something he said? let me ask you. did you defend carmelo's actions then?

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly.

I ask the peoe who always defend Melo and pretend he is the victim here. Do you think Melo saying what he said before the season started had no adverse effects on his teammates and coaches?

Melo needs to stop doing these one on one interviews. He always winds up saying something ridiculously stupid. He can't help himself. Stick to the stock msg post game conferences

Papabear Says

Guns what is the plan if Melo leaves? tell me what do you and Dolan have in mind? You have no plan When Melo leaves it will be another 15 years before we compete again like last year Ohh unless you trust Dolan to make it happen.

what is your plan if he stays? to have another 15 years like this one?

no plan is another 15 years like last one. 50+ wins, get into the 2nd round, add depth to challenge for a title. Thats the plan. How are things in Denver doing? Thriving post Melo still right? 3 years later all that young talent and players we gave up, all that flexibility, that super coach they had that was responsible for all Melo's success... hows the Denver model looking you so coveted? Its weird... thought for sure they would be a top seed right now. Weird

they are an injured mess, but from what I heard they are waiting around for the knicks lottery pick.. so things are looking great.. since carmelo has left they have enjoyed more wins, even a franchise high in wins last year.. Glad you asked.. I have a Denver website for you to visit since you seem so interested...

hows the Denver model looking you so coveted? Its weird... thought for sure they would be a top seed right now. Weird

rofl.. looking great.. they are in line to collect on the knicks lottery pick.. and they still are better than us this year.... rofl... weird? not it is weird you are worrying about Denver, as if the knicks are not the biggest embarrassment in the league.. with your boy melo.. DRAAAAAAAging them to the lottery.. oh wait.. we have no pick...

BTW: wouldn't it be ironic if the nuggets sent GAllo, chandler and moz to represent them at the draft lottery.... stay tuned...

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe. But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

-Harvey Araton

the entire article is worth providing a link to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/basketball/for-knicks-no-respite-on-the-court.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

he's saying what i have been saying but it's nice to hear a real pro write about it.

yes, good article, he holds dolan and carmelo's feet to the fire as the main culprits.. while fans have looked for fall guys.. from chandler, to felton, and now on to coach woodson... the blame game just keeps chugging along and it skips the stops at meloser station and Dolan avenue...

crap article... you actually thought that was good writing? I could see that with your agenda

After 54 victories last season, Mike Woodson has forgotten how to coach

But this is Melo's fault?

While carrying these underachievers around the country on his shoulders, Anthony has continued shooting and scoring

so the writer admits that the supporting cast is terrible... ok

One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe.

so... the writer... what again is attacking Melo for?

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

great question. Except its simply innaccurate. Melo's best shooting year? When Iverson took more shots. And Iverson's BEST year shooting the ball? Yup.. you guessed it. Playing with Melo. So the ONE year Melo played with anothe great scorer BOTH guy's had career years shooting the ball.

Pretty dodgy research for the NYTs

Other good players?

Billips: Every year with Melo his scoring totals and FG%s where higher than his career #s

Are there other great players Im missing? All this high caliber talent Melo has squandered?

Who in the Knicks’ community could possibly tell Anthony what the television analysts gently suggest — that he trust his teammates more and pace himself into the fourth quarter? That when Anthony monopolizes the ball, the Knicks’ offense is canned vegetables compared with the fresh aroma of the more evolved teams that space the floor and move the ball?

Kinda like last year? So what changed? Melo? Or the supporting cast? Gone are the shooters in Novak/Copeland.. guys who had BREAK OUT YEARS playing with MElo, and got big contracts and havent dont much SINCE NOT PLAYING WITH MELO.

So yes... easy to see why the TFKs and DKs of the world love the article. Like their posts its littered with half truths and flat out lies taken as fact.

Im shocked to read such fodder from the times. No problem with any of the points he's trying to make. Just wondering why they werent backed up with real data. Instead he just got lazy and made stuff up. Pretty lame.

Fish....if the knicks are bad, these are the guys that carmelo wanted here.. this is what happens when you empower dummies like him and Marbury.. difference is, marbury Actually was a real New yorker and Wanted to be here for all the right reasons... that I will give him credit for....

This is carmelo's mess.... HIS mess.. for 12 seasons he has always had people offer up the same excuses that you are offering up now..

at what point does it end?

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe. But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

-Harvey Araton

the entire article is worth providing a link to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/basketball/for-knicks-no-respite-on-the-court.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

he's saying what i have been saying but it's nice to hear a real pro write about it.

yes, good article, he holds dolan and carmelo's feet to the fire as the main culprits.. while fans have looked for fall guys.. from chandler, to felton, and now on to coach woodson... the blame game just keeps chugging along and it skips the stops at meloser station and Dolan avenue...

crap article... you actually thought that was good writing? I could see that with your agenda

After 54 victories last season, Mike Woodson has forgotten how to coach

But this is Melo's fault?

While carrying these underachievers around the country on his shoulders, Anthony has continued shooting and scoring

so the writer admits that the supporting cast is terrible... ok

One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe.

so... the writer... what again is attacking Melo for?

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

great question. Except its simply innaccurate. Melo's best shooting year? When Iverson took more shots. And Iverson's BEST year shooting the ball? Yup.. you guessed it. Playing with Melo. So the ONE year Melo played with anothe great scorer BOTH guy's had career years shooting the ball.

Pretty dodgy research for the NYTs

Other good players?

Billips: Every year with Melo his scoring totals and FG%s where higher than his career #s

Are there other great players Im missing? All this high caliber talent Melo has squandered?

Who in the Knicks’ community could possibly tell Anthony what the television analysts gently suggest — that he trust his teammates more and pace himself into the fourth quarter? That when Anthony monopolizes the ball, the Knicks’ offense is canned vegetables compared with the fresh aroma of the more evolved teams that space the floor and move the ball?

Kinda like last year? So what changed? Melo? Or the supporting cast? Gone are the shooters in Novak/Copeland.. guys who had BREAK OUT YEARS playing with MElo, and got big contracts and havent dont much SINCE NOT PLAYING WITH MELO.

So yes... easy to see why the TFKs and DKs of the world love the article. Like their posts its littered with half truths and flat out lies taken as fact.

Im shocked to read such fodder from the times. No problem with any of the points he's trying to make. Just wondering why they werent backed up with real data. Instead he just got lazy and made stuff up. Pretty lame.

+ 1000000000

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe. But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

-Harvey Araton

the entire article is worth providing a link to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/basketball/for-knicks-no-respite-on-the-court.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

he's saying what i have been saying but it's nice to hear a real pro write about it.

yes, good article, he holds dolan and carmelo's feet to the fire as the main culprits.. while fans have looked for fall guys.. from chandler, to felton, and now on to coach woodson... the blame game just keeps chugging along and it skips the stops at meloser station and Dolan avenue...

crap article... you actually thought that was good writing? I could see that with your agenda

After 54 victories last season, Mike Woodson has forgotten how to coach

But this is Melo's fault?

While carrying these underachievers around the country on his shoulders, Anthony has continued shooting and scoring

so the writer admits that the supporting cast is terrible... ok

One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe.

so... the writer... what again is attacking Melo for?

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

great question. Except its simply innaccurate. Melo's best shooting year? When Iverson took more shots. And Iverson's BEST year shooting the ball? Yup.. you guessed it. Playing with Melo. So the ONE year Melo played with anothe great scorer BOTH guy's had career years shooting the ball.

Pretty dodgy research for the NYTs

Other good players?

Billips: Every year with Melo his scoring totals and FG%s where higher than his career #s

Are there other great players Im missing? All this high caliber talent Melo has squandered?

Who in the Knicks’ community could possibly tell Anthony what the television analysts gently suggest — that he trust his teammates more and pace himself into the fourth quarter? That when Anthony monopolizes the ball, the Knicks’ offense is canned vegetables compared with the fresh aroma of the more evolved teams that space the floor and move the ball?

Kinda like last year? So what changed? Melo? Or the supporting cast? Gone are the shooters in Novak/Copeland.. guys who had BREAK OUT YEARS playing with MElo, and got big contracts and havent dont much SINCE NOT PLAYING WITH MELO.

So yes... easy to see why the TFKs and DKs of the world love the article. Like their posts its littered with half truths and flat out lies taken as fact.

Im shocked to read such fodder from the times. No problem with any of the points he's trying to make. Just wondering why they werent backed up with real data. Instead he just got lazy and made stuff up. Pretty lame.

Fish....if the knicks are bad, these are the guys that carmelo wanted here.. this is what happens when you empower dummies like him and Marbury.. difference is, marbury Actually was a real New yorker and Wanted to be here for all the right reasons... that I will give him credit for....

This is carmelo's mess.... HIS mess.. for 12 seasons he has always had people offer up the same excuses that you are offering up now..

at what point does it end?

Another example of great basketball points! Marbury was a real New yorker! Marbury and Carmelo are equals during their time with the Knicks, because they're both equally stupid!

This year is carmelo's mess! Last year was....JKidd's triumph!

fishmike wrote:

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

+1 See, this is basketball talk.

What we do get year after year is the stuff above, from the tkf/dtkf derganged agenda, that's touted by people like Bonn as "quality statistic-driven basketball knowledge"

its garbage in garbage out with those guys... but TFK... 12 years in the NBA. This will be his first losing season. Please, since you are so knowledgable about Melo... please list the best players he has played with. Because I am tired of excuses as well.

Go ahead.. list me the high caliber talent Melo has played with over his 12 winning NBA years. Now go tell me the playoff matchup he lost (sorry, his TEAM lost) and explain why the Nuggets or Knicks should have won that series.

Im listening.

Yes... lets talk baskeball... I wonder how long you have been hanging onto that Marbury comparison. More good stuff. No agenda there.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe. But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

-Harvey Araton

the entire article is worth providing a link to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/basketball/for-knicks-no-respite-on-the-court.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

he's saying what i have been saying but it's nice to hear a real pro write about it.

yes, good article, he holds dolan and carmelo's feet to the fire as the main culprits.. while fans have looked for fall guys.. from chandler, to felton, and now on to coach woodson... the blame game just keeps chugging along and it skips the stops at meloser station and Dolan avenue...

crap article... you actually thought that was good writing? I could see that with your agenda

After 54 victories last season, Mike Woodson has forgotten how to coach

But this is Melo's fault?

While carrying these underachievers around the country on his shoulders, Anthony has continued shooting and scoring

so the writer admits that the supporting cast is terrible... ok

One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe.

so... the writer... what again is attacking Melo for?

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

great question. Except its simply innaccurate. Melo's best shooting year? When Iverson took more shots. And Iverson's BEST year shooting the ball? Yup.. you guessed it. Playing with Melo. So the ONE year Melo played with anothe great scorer BOTH guy's had career years shooting the ball.

Pretty dodgy research for the NYTs

Other good players?

Billips: Every year with Melo his scoring totals and FG%s where higher than his career #s

Are there other great players Im missing? All this high caliber talent Melo has squandered?

Who in the Knicks’ community could possibly tell Anthony what the television analysts gently suggest — that he trust his teammates more and pace himself into the fourth quarter? That when Anthony monopolizes the ball, the Knicks’ offense is canned vegetables compared with the fresh aroma of the more evolved teams that space the floor and move the ball?

Kinda like last year? So what changed? Melo? Or the supporting cast? Gone are the shooters in Novak/Copeland.. guys who had BREAK OUT YEARS playing with MElo, and got big contracts and havent dont much SINCE NOT PLAYING WITH MELO.

So yes... easy to see why the TFKs and DKs of the world love the article. Like their posts its littered with half truths and flat out lies taken as fact.

Im shocked to read such fodder from the times. No problem with any of the points he's trying to make. Just wondering why they werent backed up with real data. Instead he just got lazy and made stuff up. Pretty lame.

Fish....if the knicks are bad, these are the guys that carmelo wanted here.. this is what happens when you empower dummies like him and Marbury.. difference is, marbury Actually was a real New yorker and Wanted to be here for all the right reasons... that I will give him credit for....

This is carmelo's mess.... HIS mess.. for 12 seasons he has always had people offer up the same excuses that you are offering up now..

at what point does it end?

Another example of great basketball points! Marbury was a real New yorker! Marbury and Carmelo are equals during their time with the Knicks, because they're both equally stupid!

This year is carmelo's mess! Last year was....JKidd's triumph!

fishmike wrote:

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

+1 See, this is basketball talk.

What we do get year after year is the stuff above, from the tkf/dtkf derganged agenda, that's touted by people like Bonn as "quality statistic-driven basketball knowledge"

its garbage in garbage out with those guys... but TFK... 12 years in the NBA. This will be his first losing season. Please, since you are so knowledgable about Melo... please list the best players he has played with. Because I am tired of excuses as well.

Go ahead.. list me the high caliber talent Melo has played with over his 12 winning NBA years. Now go tell me the playoff matchup he lost (sorry, his TEAM lost) and explain why the Nuggets or Knicks should have won that series.

Im listening.

Yes... lets talk baskeball... I wonder how long you have been hanging onto that Marbury comparison. More good stuff. No agenda there.

So even on the rare occasions when you do want to talk basketball, you have to mock the other person several times first. You seem to like inviting what you'll then view as garbage. Maybe you two can share e-mails so you can ask for and then whine about more garbage privately.

Super Bonn to the Rescue.....

fishmike wrote:take a break then dude... you have more posts than anyone here, yet Im not sure you have ever actually said anything. I guess we could say your just a high volume poster with a low relevancy %

But dont worry kid... thats better than scoring points

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe. But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

-Harvey Araton

the entire article is worth providing a link to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/basketball/for-knicks-no-respite-on-the-court.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

he's saying what i have been saying but it's nice to hear a real pro write about it.

yes, good article, he holds dolan and carmelo's feet to the fire as the main culprits.. while fans have looked for fall guys.. from chandler, to felton, and now on to coach woodson... the blame game just keeps chugging along and it skips the stops at meloser station and Dolan avenue...

crap article... you actually thought that was good writing? I could see that with your agenda

After 54 victories last season, Mike Woodson has forgotten how to coach

But this is Melo's fault?

While carrying these underachievers around the country on his shoulders, Anthony has continued shooting and scoring

so the writer admits that the supporting cast is terrible... ok

One of the great scoring machines in N.B.A. history, Anthony has played undeniably hard and gone on binges that are even harder to believe.

so... the writer... what again is attacking Melo for?

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

How does anyone develop cohesion and confidence playing with someone who scores as effortlessly as Anthony does and always believes he is the better option, no matter the circumstances?

great question. Except its simply innaccurate. Melo's best shooting year? When Iverson took more shots. And Iverson's BEST year shooting the ball? Yup.. you guessed it. Playing with Melo. So the ONE year Melo played with anothe great scorer BOTH guy's had career years shooting the ball.

Pretty dodgy research for the NYTs

Other good players?

Billips: Every year with Melo his scoring totals and FG%s where higher than his career #s

Are there other great players Im missing? All this high caliber talent Melo has squandered?

Who in the Knicks’ community could possibly tell Anthony what the television analysts gently suggest — that he trust his teammates more and pace himself into the fourth quarter? That when Anthony monopolizes the ball, the Knicks’ offense is canned vegetables compared with the fresh aroma of the more evolved teams that space the floor and move the ball?

Kinda like last year? So what changed? Melo? Or the supporting cast? Gone are the shooters in Novak/Copeland.. guys who had BREAK OUT YEARS playing with MElo, and got big contracts and havent dont much SINCE NOT PLAYING WITH MELO.

So yes... easy to see why the TFKs and DKs of the world love the article. Like their posts its littered with half truths and flat out lies taken as fact.

Im shocked to read such fodder from the times. No problem with any of the points he's trying to make. Just wondering why they werent backed up with real data. Instead he just got lazy and made stuff up. Pretty lame.

Fish....if the knicks are bad, these are the guys that carmelo wanted here.. this is what happens when you empower dummies like him and Marbury.. difference is, marbury Actually was a real New yorker and Wanted to be here for all the right reasons... that I will give him credit for....

This is carmelo's mess.... HIS mess.. for 12 seasons he has always had people offer up the same excuses that you are offering up now..

at what point does it end?

Another example of great basketball points! Marbury was a real New yorker! Marbury and Carmelo are equals during their time with the Knicks, because they're both equally stupid!

This year is carmelo's mess! Last year was....JKidd's triumph!

fishmike wrote:

But beyond the standard knock on him — he doesn’t make players around him better — is the fair question of whether he actually makes them worse.

ah yes... if we cant attack a players performance lets blame him for his teammates. Amare is broken. Felton has declined every minute since being out from under MDAs wing. Melo HAS certainly failed to give Tyson a 12 foot jump shot, Shump a handle, Prigs some balls, Felton a diet, MWP new knees and Bargs anything of use.

+1 See, this is basketball talk.

What we do get year after year is the stuff above, from the tkf/dtkf derganged agenda, that's touted by people like Bonn as "quality statistic-driven basketball knowledge"

its garbage in garbage out with those guys... but TFK... 12 years in the NBA. This will be his first losing season. Please, since you are so knowledgable about Melo... please list the best players he has played with. Because I am tired of excuses as well.

Go ahead.. list me the high caliber talent Melo has played with over his 12 winning NBA years. Now go tell me the playoff matchup he lost (sorry, his TEAM lost) and explain why the Nuggets or Knicks should have won that series.

Im listening.

Yes... lets talk baskeball... I wonder how long you have been hanging onto that Marbury comparison. More good stuff. No agenda there.

he played with billups, Iverson, camby who won DPOY, tyson chandler who won DPOY, his little homie JR smith who won 6th man award..

This is a lot more talent than most players get to play with... I'm sorry, but that excuse of who he has to play with is old.. he is the one that is supposed to be making others better... He hasn't done so and continues to fail in that area..

and explain why the Nuggets or Knicks should have won that series.

the lost to Utah with Denver should not have happened.. if I remember the nuggs were the higher seed with home court and lost..

And vs the pacers, I thought the knicks having that "superstar" was supposed to defeat the team that didn't have any?

you see where this is going.. the defense many of you make for carmelo is that he is that "special guy" the one that other teams don't have.... I am sorry but for us that has not given us one advantage at all.. NONE... the pacers are miles ahead of us, so are the bulls whose best player who is also beter than carmelo isn't even playing? so tell me, who is the running mate for Joakim Noah? how is it that the bulls have 31 wins? are you telling me guys like jackie butler, taj gibson and kirk hinrich are that much better than what we have? I know for sure you would not have said that the beginning of the year or last year.... plus they haven't had boozer and they traded Deng?!!!

Please don't tell me that a guy who is touted as a superstar and wants to make 30 mil a year can't have enough impact on a team to keep them from being laughingstocks of the league.. because that is what we are now!!

You see everytime you tell me that he is second in the league in scoring, top 20 in rebounding(which is not true), i will ask you.. Ok fish, how has that helped the knicks.. because if it doesn't help the team, who gives a DAMN... remember this is ultimate knicks.com!! not ultimatecarmelo.com

my interest is in making the knicks better.. i don't think carmelo makes us a contender.. If I have to go out get an elite defender, passer and playmaker to make up for carmeloser's deficiencies, then why in the hell do we need him at all? it doesn't make him a bum, or a bad player, for the record he is a very gifted streak and volume scorer.. but not efficient as a scorer, not a playmaker and not a good overall basketball player.. doesn't make him bad, but he is not what the knicks need trying to lead this team going forward... I would say the same thing about rudy gay if he were here as well, and I like rudy gay....I would say the same thing about Joe johnson (although I think joe is a better all around player than both)..

you can't win, paying flawed players max dollars, and you can't win having flawed players dominate the offense... it won't work, hasn't worked...