CrushAlot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

i forgot about how melo forced lin to fire his longtime agent so he coukd hire a big time firm to capitalize on his situation, and how he forced lin's new agent to release statements saying that lin might not go back to the Knicks. I guess melo advised lin to sit out from USA select basketball because as lin said, it might impact his upcoming free agency. Apparently lin had no part in signing what has become an untraceable contract. Melo must have magic powers to be able to play overseas in the Olympics and run the Knicks front office.

There is a reason fans loved Lin (and mostly still do). Regardless of what Agents did or did not do, we never offered him a contract. We told him to get the best deal and that we would match. And they didn't, they lied.
Break that down how you like, but the Knicks decision to let him go, sign Felton and the Geriatric bunch very much put us here. Even more so than Melo forcing a trade. The two together though,
just killed us.

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

that team had lin, amare, chandler, guys like jeffries.. they rallied around lin.. they played for each other... everyone was getting involved, even Bill walker... this wasn't Lin or amare going. I am going to get mine early, while everyone stands and watch and gets cold.. no everyone was engaged and early..

Clearly so. The Melo thing is a double edged sword. But mostly the sharpest edge is just the players deferring to him or him not getting the others involved with his constant double teams (more).
Watching the Olympics and all star game, Melo can shine. But him forcing his way here really destroyed the team. And then letting Lin go AND signing Felton (who we CAN'T GIVE AWAY) and the geriatric bunch
not only cost us more money but once again, further destroyed the team.

At this point, you really have to wonder who in their right mind is going to play for us? Are there even any free agents that would make a difference if they came here? Would Kevin Love?
I really think we are going to overpay for whatever we get. 2015 will be interesting, but I think just make us competitive. I'm afraid unless a miracle happens (next years draft?) we
are not going to be able to get that special piece to entice anyone in 2015. If we get a great pg in the draft next year, maybe, big big maybe.

Dolan has single handedly (ok, with a little help from Mills over the years) destroyed this franchise.
That is ok, I'll still watch the team but not be emotionally vested. Fair I'd say. Perhaps be more of an NBA Fan
for moral reasons.

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

dk7th wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

you aren't thinking clearly: the litmus test for a team is how they do in the playoffs. guess what the knicks struggled before getting annihilated. 54 wins were apparently not enough to translate to playoff success.

why should anyone admit that a fluke game outside the normal range is a good game? it isn't a good game it's a great game that happens likely once in a career. how does that affect his overall body of work? guess what it doesn't. he is still an also ran in the nba.

dk7th wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

you aren't thinking clearly: the litmus test for a team is how they do in the playoffs. guess what the knicks struggled before getting annihilated. 54 wins were apparently not enough to translate to playoff success.

why should anyone admit that a fluke game outside the normal range is a good game? it isn't a good game it's a great game that happens likely once in a career. how does that affect his overall body of work? guess what it doesn't. he is still an also ran in the nba.

4-2 is not annihilation ... Yes they lost against the Pacers but losing 4-2 is not being annihilated

The 62 points game is not the only great game of Melo career neither

Who is not thinking clearly ? I never said the Knicks were good this year and I never said that Melo has not his part on this year results ... But your guys biases are too much for me to loose more time trying discussing when you distort everything to your convenience ... Your "facts" are not mine

Caseloads wrote:does this thread need any text?

47 points would have been better. Melo is such a bum.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

you aren't thinking clearly: the litmus test for a team is how they do in the playoffs. guess what the knicks struggled before getting annihilated. 54 wins were apparently not enough to translate to playoff success.

why should anyone admit that a fluke game outside the normal range is a good game? it isn't a good game it's a great game that happens likely once in a career. how does that affect his overall body of work? guess what it doesn't. he is still an also ran in the nba.

Start watching the games

i have watched enough games, thanks. same **** different day. the knicks are a boring, underachieving, spiritually empty team.

That is what you have been posting here for two years. It doesn't matter what the team does or what happens on the court. It is very apparent that you don't watch games.

Who cares? The failed eyeball test is what said adding Bargnani would help a lot, losing Kidd and other key "role players" wouldn't matter much, and this would be a 50 win team. The computers that don't watch the game did better than every single fan here. You said 53 wins (http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=45774). Maybe it's time to stop trusting your eyes so much. I was way off at 47 and I've realized that I was trusting my eyes too much.

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

Also its good because if your ever in the mood to rip on something stupid just click open one of his posts and tear at it

I think you guys like the constant arguing and debating as evident by how those 2 names are interjected into threads once the thread starts to lose its sizzle. Personally I enjoy a good debate. It's what makes this forum great

fishmike wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

Cut the crap ... Last year the facts were not convenient with your rhetoric but you didn't adapt it and now that this year team is bad these facts are proofs to validate your hatred on Melo ... This is just the opposite of being objective ... I'm not necessarily pro or anti-Melo so I don't feel the need to defend him, but I dislike when people biases are blurring the reality to a point where an objective discussion is not possible

Last time you couldn't say that scoring 62 points in a win was a good game and I made it clear my question was just about this specific game. You couldn't even acknowledge this specific game ... So please stop this BS about being objective because if it was the case I would enjoy discussing about the Knicks with you or reading your posts ... Even the ones criticising Melo .. Unfortunately you are really biased against him to a point that is really head scratching ...

the "fact" is our board will be littered by his garbage because he's been kicked off realgm for his non-stop anti-melo campain. Since this is the only forum that allows him to spam every thread with his garbage you just gotta laugh at it or go with ignore.

Also its good because if your ever in the mood to rip on something stupid just click open one of his posts and tear at it

And then wait for the inevitable Bonn Defend The Troll auto-posting program to kick in. Well, actually you don't have to wait, as it usually take less than 1 minute to appear.

And all the trollisms are always all about basketball. Right.

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks