We'll hate on Collison by the end of the season. Felton is getting moved so he can rebound with Kloe Kardashion.

If Shump will be a FA soon enough and I doubt we resign him so he is off to seek a better opportunity.

As long as we don't give up quality Yoot or picks maybe its a good deal. Better to make a small deal then a big mistake.

Toronto is not getting value for Lowrey and can make the playoffs so they should just hold on.

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Better than teague

depends on cost. I like Teague in a salary dump... I would love him in a Jamal Crawford role, first guard off the bench. Can play point. Really good scorer. Really quick. Good tempo setter.

We need a lot more.

I would rather spend and get a piece we can build around like Lowry. Guys like Teague and to a lesser degree Collison are ok but arent changing the dynamic of the team. A legit floor general could. Is that Collison? Hmmmm....

My question as well. Long term?

Long term probably a better option than Lowry price wise (Lowry is gonna cost us a ransom to get in a trade then we have to pay him. Plus Lowry is 28/29 years old. It seems Collison has been in the league forever but he is only 25. He put up good numbers when Paul was out and he has sone upside.

I am a huge Lowry fan. I love the guy and his game and his leadership. He is a real floor general. But I think they had 2 chances to get him. Once when Houston off loaded him to Toronto and they resigned Felton. The next was earlier this year. Now he is such a huge commitment to someone who isn't a proven centerpiece.

I would love to get him for a package of Shumpert, Felton, and I will throw in a pick because I don't trust this management (Mills) with picks. No multiple picks. No cash.

Collison isn't that bad a PG. It means they probably (hopefully) roll with Collison and Hardaway in the backcourt. Let's be honest. They had to choose between Hardaway and Shumpert and some point.

Getting Bullock would be a bonus. He is a very young player with size and upside and athleticism that was highly regarded coming out of college. I think he just got caught on a team in the midst of transitioning to a win now team.

yellowboy90 wrote:If true though the real question is would or could they get a three team deal and bring in lowry with Collinson and Bullock going to Toronto and a protected 2018 1st.

Knicks now look like this:
PG Lowry
SG THjr
SF Artest (dont laugh, its his time!!!)
PF Melo
C Chandler
Bench: Prigs, JR, Amare

We can work in KMart and move Melo to the 3 as well. Thats not an issue with a real PG in place

That looks like a solid squad to me.

I think he's a FA this offseason too? Didn't he just sign a one year deal with the Clips, in which case we wouldn't have his bird rights would we?

Not sure where Shump would fit with the Clips once Reddick is back- they also have Crawford at the 2 spot.

Hmmm...

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Better than teague

depends on cost. I like Teague in a salary dump... I would love him in a Jamal Crawford role, first guard off the bench. Can play point. Really good scorer. Really quick. Good tempo setter.

We need a lot more.

I would rather spend and get a piece we can build around like Lowry. Guys like Teague and to a lesser degree Collison are ok but arent changing the dynamic of the team. A legit floor general could. Is that Collison? Hmmmm....

When you say you'd rather spend more for a guy like Lowry, do you mean money, assets or both? I'm not as high on Lowry as you, but I agree that he's better than Teague and Collison. The thing is, Lowry is probably looking at a deal of $12 million a year. That's about what Ty Lawson makes and Lowry is playing at a similar level. I'd have no problem paying Lowry $4 million a year more than Teague if I were convinced he'd keep this level of play up. But if you're asking me if I'd rather Collison at his current deal (about $2 million) or Lowry at $12 million, I'd rather have Collison. Even if Collison opts out next year gets a deal at $4 million per, I'd still rather have Collison.

yellow had a good suggesting... use Shump and fillers for Collison from LA, and route him and a pick for Lowry. I love that. Give my my franchise QB to run this ship, and I set up my backcourt with Lowry/THjr/JR/Prigs

I would jump at that...

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Doc Rivers would be drooling to get Shumpert after he saw what Shump did to Pierce and Wade in the playoffs.

He has no defensive SG except the guy who stuck up for Griffin in a fight and got suspended.

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

I don't knock Shump, he's young and he's looking to get paid, just not under the whacked out politics at MSG

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

How do you know that? and how can you saye, HE refuses to become a star?

I say it because I have seen Shump play. I was impressed enough by his play to say he will be a 17-5-5 player. Ever since summer league he has been having a hissy fit. How does he bust out in the new year and go back to being a non factor. There more to Shump and believe it or not he wants off the knicks.