JonsTintedTails wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

JonsTintedTails wrote:If the Knicks trade THjr, I'm done

Same here. Trading THJ would signify a lack if plan going forward, a push for the nearest instant gratification which is a useless playoff seeding with no eyes to the future.

why? He's a nice catch and shoot player right now. Shooters are nice to have. He's shown very little else in his game. High IQ for sure, but this notion the guy is untouchable is over the top. Kind of like how Landry Fields was a couple years ago.

Much easier to get shooters then to get get a playmaking 2 way PG.

He has so much upside that's why. He still needs to develop more but you can tell this guy has the skillset to take the next step.

Look, I hear you. He's shown everything you want your picks to show: he contributes, has upside, high IQ, etc

He's also a sell high player... Im ok with moving him if we get a nice building block moving forward. PG is simply a more important position in the league than SG. Its why these guys are so coveted

The fields and frye comparisons are laughable. There will always be a place in the NBA for a guard like Tim Hardaway Jr

If we could do this and give up JR and keep Shump and THJ with either Lowry or Lin or even Teague I guess at the point I would be estatic

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

Fields and frye didn't excel at any key aspect of the game of basketball

gunsnewing wrote:Not me. Both those guys where flawed. Tim hardaway does one thing well SHOOT. The game is about putting the ball in the hole.

Fields and frye didn't excel at any key aspect of the game of basketball

Its a lot easier to look really good in 15 minutes then 30.

right now THjr shoots. He doesnt defend. He doesnt make plays. He doesnt rebound. He doesnt handle the ball. Can those improve? Of course.. but we are not sitting on a blue chip here. We could be looking at the next Hubert Davis. Easily. Tell me one thing you see about Hardaway Jr that Hubert Davis didnt show.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JonsTintedTails wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

JonsTintedTails wrote:If the Knicks trade THjr, I'm done

Same here. Trading THJ would signify a lack if plan going forward, a push for the nearest instant gratification which is a useless playoff seeding with no eyes to the future.

why? He's a nice catch and shoot player right now. Shooters are nice to have. He's shown very little else in his game. High IQ for sure, but this notion the guy is untouchable is over the top. Kind of like how Landry Fields was a couple years ago.

Much easier to get shooters then to get get a playmaking 2 way PG.

He has so much upside that's why. He still needs to develop more but you can tell this guy has the skillset to take the next step.

he also grew up hating the Knicks and his father works for the Heat. He's a poor defender right out of the gate. He doesnt create his own shot...

Look, I hear you. He's shown everything you want your picks to show: he contributes, has upside, high IQ, etc

He's also a sell high player... Im ok with moving him if we get a nice building block moving forward. PG is simply a more important position in the league than SG. Its why these guys are so coveted

A shooter who hits 40% of his 3s and 50+ of his 2s as a rookie is quite rare. You have to factor in how valuable it is to have 4 years of a very productive player on a dirt cheap (in nba terms) salary. I'm not saying you can't trade him but it's gotta be for something outstanding. There's too much of a risk that Lowry is just doing this in a contract year and will return to being a slightly above average PG next year but on a $60 mil contract.

Exactly. I don't see why THJ would have to be included in a deal for Lowry or Teague. I prefer jr but am open to trading Shumpert. This would be typical Knicks. Fix PG and then have a gapping hole at shooting efficiency again

More bricks from shandon Anderson and Landry fields

Like PG and Center. Having a guard who can shoot is a rare commodity and I don't mean a spot up shooter like Hubert Davis but more like a rip, horneseck, Jason terry, Ray Allen, and Kenny smith. Every champion I. The past 30 yrs have had one of those guys

They don't rely on guys like fields and JR smith

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JonsTintedTails wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

JonsTintedTails wrote:If the Knicks trade THjr, I'm done

Same here. Trading THJ would signify a lack if plan going forward, a push for the nearest instant gratification which is a useless playoff seeding with no eyes to the future.

why? He's a nice catch and shoot player right now. Shooters are nice to have. He's shown very little else in his game. High IQ for sure, but this notion the guy is untouchable is over the top. Kind of like how Landry Fields was a couple years ago.

Much easier to get shooters then to get get a playmaking 2 way PG.

He has so much upside that's why. He still needs to develop more but you can tell this guy has the skillset to take the next step.

he also grew up hating the Knicks and his father works for the Heat. He's a poor defender right out of the gate. He doesnt create his own shot...

Look, I hear you. He's shown everything you want your picks to show: he contributes, has upside, high IQ, etc

He's also a sell high player... Im ok with moving him if we get a nice building block moving forward. PG is simply a more important position in the league than SG. Its why these guys are so coveted

A shooter who hits 40% of his 3s and 50+ of his 2s as a rookie is quite rare. You have to factor in how valuable it is to have 4 years of a very productive player on a dirt cheap (in nba terms) salary. I'm not saying you can't trade him but it's gotta be for something outstanding. There's too much of a risk that Lowry is just doing this in a contract year and will return to being a slightly above average PG next year but on a $60 mil contract.

Exactly. I don't see why THJ would have to be included in a deal for Lowry or Teague. I prefer jr but am open to trading Shumpert. This would be typical Knicks. Fix PG and then have a gapping hole at shooting efficiency again

More bricks from shandon Anderson and Landry fields

Like PG and Center. Having a guard who can shoot is a rare commodity and I don't mean a spot up shooter like Hubert Davis but more like a rip, horneseck, Jason terry, Ray Allen, and Kenny smith. Every champion I. The past 30 yrs have had one of those guys

They don't rely on guys like fields and JR smith

THrj hasnt shown a thing yet that puts him in the same class as the players you mention. Its a massive stretch at this point and wishful thinking

yellowboy90 wrote:Jeff Teague does make me curious though. Is this the perfect time to get a player while his stock is down? But why is he having a down year? Why has his shooting numbers gone down from 2 and 3 the last 3 years. Before this year he was on the Lowry career path number wise in a lot of areas. Teague maybe breakout like Lowry and Dragic did as they goy older. If the knicks can get Teague at a lesser price than Lowry I would trade for him if it doesn't include THJR and an unprotected 2018 pick.

He's also been paid, and not worth giving up a pick or THjr. Shump, Felton... fine. Teague is a gamble. Maybe he fits. Maybe he's Bargs v2.0. Lowry is the prize.... pay to get him and sign him. He's a build around player. Teague is complimentary scorer who sometimes looks good running an offense. Like Eddie House if he ever learned to play some point

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

andboth were totally untouchable. Do you not remember how Field's was coveted around here? Was Novak not a good shooter for us?

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

really no one on this team should be untouchable.. IF THJ can help get us a piece we need to move forward then I am all for it.. we have a lot of holes to fill.. I am not the biggest fan of TEague at all, nice player, but I rather wait and shop a bit more..I like Lowry, but we had a chance at him earlier.. I am afraid the price this time around with toronto will be even higher.. maybe too high...