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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

Papabear Says

Everyone needs to get used to the fact that Melo will be in the plans for the Knicks for the next 5 years and you might as well accept it or find another team to root for. Melo is not the problem. He is the answer because player will come here because of him. The Amare deal went wrong and we should have had an option on Amears 4th and 5th year and we didn't. Melo is the the answer weather some people like it or not. If Melo leaves we will go into a 7 year drought maybe longer than that. Unless you trust Dolan to do the right thing.

you need to lay off the turtle wax and hennessey. melo is a LOSER and he is THE PROBLEM.

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Senescence huh?..Did u forget u asked me what Melo's plan was??..Just comical...I'll get into Walsh another time..

Papabear Says

Holfresh did you see Melo play tonight? Great game. And the respect he gets from other players. Too bad Paul George didn't do what was expected. Hey Melo broke a record Boy the enjoyment I get when haters go crazy about Melo. They just don't get it!!! I guess they will when Melo signs for 5 years and retire a Knick. You can bet on it.

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

the reason why bird hired him was because walsh "retired" from the knicks. now why did walsh "retire" from the knicks? and why did bird decide to hire walsh? out of pity? it couldn't be because bird actually values walsh's abilities now could it?

i have no problem agreeing that d'antoni was not the best choice for the knicks. that said, he became part of an actual plan. you can't build a team without a plan. prior to walsh the knicks had no plan. and on balance gallinari is better than chandler so i had no issues with that pick. better defender, better playmaker, better scorer, better decision-maker. if you want to play the injury game, fine... lopez has not been a model of endurance.

say what you will about walsh... but since he was not given an opportunity to finish his job and complete a plan-- thanks to dolan and carmelo-- nobody can assess the job he did. it is intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise.

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

the reason why bird hired him was because walsh "retired" from the knicks. now why did walsh "retire" from the knicks? and why did bird decide to hire walsh? out of pity? it couldn't be because bird actually values walsh's abilities now could it?

i have no problem agreeing that d'antoni was not the best choice for the knicks. that said, he became part of an actual plan. you can't build a team without a plan. prior to walsh the knicks had no plan. and on balance gallinari is better than chandler so i had no issues with that pick. better defender, better playmaker, better scorer, better decision-maker. if you want to play the injury game, fine... lopez has not been a model of endurance.

say what you will about walsh... but since he was not given an opportunity to finish his job and complete a plan-- thanks to dolan and carmelo-- nobody can assess the job he did. it is intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise.

You certainly can assess the job he did. If he doesn't get credit for Melo who was his signature player? Walsh actually had picks. Taking Gallo in a big man draft was a huge mistake. The Knicks could have had their center for decades. It also is at least a bit curious that Gallo was the son of D'Antoni's roommate when he played in Italy. The Hill draft was loaded with point guards and the Knicks were rolling with Duhon. How about taking Rautins over Stephenson. Rautins over anyone was a mistake. The guy wasn't getting drafted and again there are euro league connections between Rautin's father and the coach. Also, Rautins was old and slow for his position. Not sure what the logic was there. Maybe Hill was the coaches pick but he certainly didn't play or develop him on a team that wasn't competing for a playoff spot. No one has ever explained the logic of Hill not getting 10-15 minutes a night on team filled with marginal vets that had expiring deals. Is Amare Walsh's signature move? He moved out a lot of young talent, his teams lottery pick from 09 and a top 3 pick to clear cap space. If I am Walsh I hitch my wagon to Melo and try to put some distance from the uninsured max contract I gave Amare despite doctors saying there was only a limited number of years that Amare could play.

look did walsh get a chance to finish what he started? yes or no?

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

the reason why bird hired him was because walsh "retired" from the knicks. now why did walsh "retire" from the knicks? and why did bird decide to hire walsh? out of pity? it couldn't be because bird actually values walsh's abilities now could it?

i have no problem agreeing that d'antoni was not the best choice for the knicks. that said, he became part of an actual plan. you can't build a team without a plan. prior to walsh the knicks had no plan. and on balance gallinari is better than chandler so i had no issues with that pick. better defender, better playmaker, better scorer, better decision-maker. if you want to play the injury game, fine... lopez has not been a model of endurance.

say what you will about walsh... but since he was not given an opportunity to finish his job and complete a plan-- thanks to dolan and carmelo-- nobody can assess the job he did. it is intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise.

You certainly can assess the job he did. If he doesn't get credit for Melo who was his signature player? Walsh actually had picks. Taking Gallo in a big man draft was a huge mistake. The Knicks could have had their center for decades. It also is at least a bit curious that Gallo was the son of D'Antoni's roommate when he played in Italy. The Hill draft was loaded with point guards and the Knicks were rolling with Duhon. How about taking Rautins over Stephenson. Rautins over anyone was a mistake. The guy wasn't getting drafted and again there are euro league connections between Rautin's father and the coach. Also, Rautins was old and slow for his position. Not sure what the logic was there. Maybe Hill was the coaches pick but he certainly didn't play or develop him on a team that wasn't competing for a playoff spot. No one has ever explained the logic of Hill not getting 10-15 minutes a night on team filled with marginal vets that had expiring deals. Is Amare Walsh's signature move? He moved out a lot of young talent, his teams lottery pick from 09 and a top 3 pick to clear cap space. If I am Walsh I hitch my wagon to Melo and try to put some distance from the uninsured max contract I gave Amare despite doctors saying there was only a limited number of years that Amare could play.

look did walsh get a chance to finish what he started? yes or no?

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

the reason why bird hired him was because walsh "retired" from the knicks. now why did walsh "retire" from the knicks? and why did bird decide to hire walsh? out of pity? it couldn't be because bird actually values walsh's abilities now could it?

i have no problem agreeing that d'antoni was not the best choice for the knicks. that said, he became part of an actual plan. you can't build a team without a plan. prior to walsh the knicks had no plan. and on balance gallinari is better than chandler so i had no issues with that pick. better defender, better playmaker, better scorer, better decision-maker. if you want to play the injury game, fine... lopez has not been a model of endurance.

say what you will about walsh... but since he was not given an opportunity to finish his job and complete a plan-- thanks to dolan and carmelo-- nobody can assess the job he did. it is intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise.

You certainly can assess the job he did. If he doesn't get credit for Melo who was his signature player? Walsh actually had picks. Taking Gallo in a big man draft was a huge mistake. The Knicks could have had their center for decades. It also is at least a bit curious that Gallo was the son of D'Antoni's roommate when he played in Italy. The Hill draft was loaded with point guards and the Knicks were rolling with Duhon. How about taking Rautins over Stephenson. Rautins over anyone was a mistake. The guy wasn't getting drafted and again there are euro league connections between Rautin's father and the coach. Also, Rautins was old and slow for his position. Not sure what the logic was there. Maybe Hill was the coaches pick but he certainly didn't play or develop him on a team that wasn't competing for a playoff spot. No one has ever explained the logic of Hill not getting 10-15 minutes a night on team filled with marginal vets that had expiring deals. Is Amare Walsh's signature move? He moved out a lot of young talent, his teams lottery pick from 09 and a top 3 pick to clear cap space. If I am Walsh I hitch my wagon to Melo and try to put some distance from the uninsured max contract I gave Amare despite doctors saying there was only a limited number of years that Amare could play.

look did walsh get a chance to finish what he started? yes or no?

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holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

get real? wow. this is an insane post. first off what was melo's plan in coming here in the first place? there was no plan because he wanted money and he did not give a rat's ass how things ended up in new york as a result. that's always dolan's "plan" and between the two of them they shoulder almost all of the blame for failure. no, wait-- he recently admitted that it would take a few seasons to rebuild once he came. so he did have a plan. so the dude is either a feckless moron or a hypocrite, perhaps both. please put that in your pipe and smoke it cause the stuff u be doing now is a helluva drug. really all he has done is continue to promote the very culture u bemoan.

u don't ever want to admit that anthony is a huge part of the problem.

Wasn't the plan to team up with Amare??..Then they had space to add another piece at Chandler's salary..That was the plan to me..What if management was smart enough to add a PG instead of Chandler, might have been different...But this all went bad for u when Gallo wasn't in the plan, did it??

champ have u entered senescence? "the plan"?!? who's plan was that? yours? it sure wasn't walsh's. why did he retire-- because he was old and tired or because he was shoved aside in dolan's spooge-like impulse? he looks happy and healthy watching his pacers clobber pieces-of-crap teams like the knicks, don't he. if he was so old and tired and ready to retire then why did he end up prolonging his career in indiana? please try to live in reality. it was all dolan and melo and now they are going to enter a dance of death. hope you like their groove. he had no intention of trading for carmelo with anything more than expendables like chandler and curry. we had the nuggets over a farking barrel. dolan couldn't wait to interfere after two years of knuckle rapping by stern and at the earliest opportunity he stepped in to fark things up yet again... or have u not detected a pattern by now. if u haven't then shame on u.

Just to clarify regarding Walsh. He was in ny when bird built that team. The only guy on that roster that was brought in by Walsh is Mahini. Personally I prefer collision. But if Walsh is enjoying the pacers wins he is enjoying someone else's work. His time in ny did not go well. His plan was simplistic and every team he did business with took advantage of him. He hired the wrong coach and spent his tenure trying to make his hire not look like a mistake. Imagine if Mjax was hired. No way the Knicks don't go big in one of the best center drafts ever. Instead the Knicks took a guy that played the same position as Wilson chandler. Also, every year Walsh had a first round pick it was leaked who the Knicks were picking. Walsh was honorable, dignified and respected coming to ny. That doesn't mean he did a good job it certainly doesn't mean that while he was compromising the future of the and bird was building a team in indythat Walsh is deserving of credit while someone else was i the clock and he was working somewhere else.

the reason why bird hired him was because walsh "retired" from the knicks. now why did walsh "retire" from the knicks? and why did bird decide to hire walsh? out of pity? it couldn't be because bird actually values walsh's abilities now could it?

i have no problem agreeing that d'antoni was not the best choice for the knicks. that said, he became part of an actual plan. you can't build a team without a plan. prior to walsh the knicks had no plan. and on balance gallinari is better than chandler so i had no issues with that pick. better defender, better playmaker, better scorer, better decision-maker. if you want to play the injury game, fine... lopez has not been a model of endurance.

say what you will about walsh... but since he was not given an opportunity to finish his job and complete a plan-- thanks to dolan and carmelo-- nobody can assess the job he did. it is intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise.

You certainly can assess the job he did. If he doesn't get credit for Melo who was his signature player? Walsh actually had picks. Taking Gallo in a big man draft was a huge mistake. The Knicks could have had their center for decades. It also is at least a bit curious that Gallo was the son of D'Antoni's roommate when he played in Italy. The Hill draft was loaded with point guards and the Knicks were rolling with Duhon. How about taking Rautins over Stephenson. Rautins over anyone was a mistake. The guy wasn't getting drafted and again there are euro league connections between Rautin's father and the coach. Also, Rautins was old and slow for his position. Not sure what the logic was there. Maybe Hill was the coaches pick but he certainly didn't play or develop him on a team that wasn't competing for a playoff spot. No one has ever explained the logic of Hill not getting 10-15 minutes a night on team filled with marginal vets that had expiring deals. Is Amare Walsh's signature move? He moved out a lot of young talent, his teams lottery pick from 09 and a top 3 pick to clear cap space. If I am Walsh I hitch my wagon to Melo and try to put some distance from the uninsured max contract I gave Amare despite doctors saying there was only a limited number of years that Amare could play.

look did walsh get a chance to finish what he started? yes or no?

Yeah but he chose not to take a cut in pay which was smart. In regards to Walsh, my opinion was that Dolan chose him because he had a fondness for Isiah and would be open to Isiah being re-assigned and handled in a gentle manner not because he was the best guy for the job. Just my opinion but Dolan was extremely loyal to Isiah and was forced to hire someone by Stern. I think Dolan may have resented Walsh's fatherly manner in interactions and also resented being forced to hire him.

if dolan wanted walsh to remain he would have offered the same pay as before. but you don't seem willing to make the connection between dolan wresting the trade negotiations with denver on the one hand and the lowball offer he made to walsh. why?