fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I'm leaning towards keeping Melo and building around him. Adding a PG, SF and C if we trade Tyson. I just worried about the defensive end. If you want to go big to match up with the indiana's you have to move Melo back to the 3 where he he is a huge liability defensively. He is rebounding at a great rate at the 4 but he will get eaten alive by the David wests of th world. I can see where people still rather have Melo and build around him than just cap space and picks. Like you said we need a mixture of everything but I think you are making Melo out to be a cornerstone player like Ewing was. Melo is a great scorer but too many holes. Only one year in college. Lacks basketball IQ and isnt in shape like Jordan, Kobe and Lebron
I'm open to whatever works. This will be the last chance ai give this front office to build a team that contends every year. We F it up again and I'm done
I would have no problem letting Melo walk and preparing the roster to be able to offer THREE guys close to max, or two guys max and a third guy $10mm (Like a Lowry type).But only if the guys are there to get. I mean the LBJ year there was Joe Johnson, Wade, Bosh, Amare and a few others maybe Dirk? Point is there were like 7-8 guys you would be happy to walk away with, or at least worth the gamble.
I dont see that kind of FA class, I see Aldridge, Rondo and some role players.
Im not trying to be an ass (that happens naturally). Im being honest. Melo's game has faults, but he's top tier talent that translates into wins. Not enough for a title? Fair beef.. but I dont see any plan B thats worth a fart in the wind.
Im open to hearing it... Lets see. Whats feasable??
I don't see the wins now fish.. and if it is not enough for a title.. why tie up so much money in such a player? How does that make any sense? unless you are getting a cut of his salary, wishing for such things is utterly confusing...
let me ask this fish.. what is the worst thing that can happen to the knicks if they just let him walk? the worst thing? after you come up with that answer.. look at our current record and team with carmelo and the fact that we have no pick this year as well, and tell me, honestly tell me, will it be any worse than that?
we have seen the worst, and I have discussed this ad nauseum with folks who are open for discussion. You go back to 25 win seasons where you wonder if the stats your rotation players are real or not. Remember David Lee's 20/12/55% season? (29 wins). Remember Jamal Crawford scoring 20ppg and shooting 45% from 3? (32 wins). Remember Eddy's 20ppg on 57% shooting? (33 wins)Whats funny TFK is you cant even see whats happening. Without Melo this is a 20 win team. Once you get to that point its ground zero. How's Cle doing? Whats their record? They have the kind of high caliber talent you covet but cant win. Why? How's Denver doing? All that cap space and influx of young talent should be getting them much father than when they were dragging that anchor Melo around right? Go tell me their average win total with and without Melo.
You have special needs and clear issues with reality, so I dont expect this discussion to make a difference, but we have gone through exactly the scenario you so dream of. It sucked. Go tell yourself otherwise. Then have dk come over to hold you.
And yes... you have chosen a good time to say "I dont see the wins." A time when the offseason moves yielded nothing and the guy who built up the roster to 54 wins was fired, but thats MElo's fault as well I am sure. Hee haw
fish, I will take 25 wins next year... because we have our own pick.. GReat, sign me up!! at some point, we are going to have to do this the right way..
How's Cle doing? Whats their record?
ok fish since you asked.. Cleveland with all of their problems are 16-32, we are 19-29 fish, not much difference there... and here is the key, cleveland has a potential stud young player in irving and other young pieces they can trade, and they own their own pick in this draft, top 12 protected.... I would say they are in much better position than we are fish... remember, we have the so called "star" player, the one who gets respect, the one whom kobe says is hard to guard. we have a leagues top payroll behind the nets... and we are in the same place the cavs are, except they will instantly get better after this season... without having to make one trade or offer some aging player 30 mil a year..
All that cap space and influx of young talent should be getting them much father than when they were dragging that anchor Melo around right? Go tell me their average win total with and without Melo.
You could have said this about the warriors and pacers a few years ago... tell me fish, how are they doing now?
Your theory seems to be , either sign carmelo or suck... and that is absurd.. because we not only suck now, but you are saying this franchise is incapable of building a team... well if that is true, then why should we give carmelo that much money, and cripple this franchise that can't build a team for the next 5 years? can you answer that?
There are no more lebrons, westbrooks, CP3's out there.. you have to either develop them, draft them or get lucky and trade for a player who has not broken out yet.. ala James harden... we don't have the picks or trade assets to do so now.. so we are going to have to bite the bullet a bit and get better organically..
I honestly think if we lose carmelo, and replace him with a player like a Deng, or iggy we would be no worse, maybe even better than we are now... You need to get that 54 win team and season out of your head..that team really wasn't that good, a lot of things went right that year, and we no longer have that team.... you need to face what we have now...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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