CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im in the Fishmike camp MeloThink.

Did not love Melo in Denver, did not like the trade but the guy has won me over with his play but Im quite real as to the dynamics of his game and the real problem is not him but the price we paid to get him,and other moves that have depleted our cup board of assets. Horriific guard play and injuries this year is killing us. Im not blaming woodson or Bargnani who has shown some flashes of being a good player. Not great, but good. Because of his range it allows Melo to play "the 4" and beast. Problem is Melo-Chandler-Barnani-felton have not played too many games to build the chemistry needed for a run.

I don't trust La La encouraging words. If there is a time to rebuild now is not the time to commit to youth. GOtta have picks to do that.

Pretty much in agreement with everything written. I would include poor play/and lack of leadership by Tyson as part of the problem as well. Also, the firing of Grunwald really took away the stability that Woodson had with the organization. Since Grunny has left I would not be surprised by anything the current management/ownership group does.

11 years and not one losing season... not one

owning our pick in next year's draft with Butler, Hardaway, Gibson a potential asset in a chandler deal would a nice start.

Or we could just go with a high energy team for a year of Felton, Shumpert, Butler, Boozer, Chandler with Hardaway, Gibson, Amare off the bench. Would probably be comparable to the Atlanta Hawks and secure a mid tier seed.

MS wrote:The Bulls wouldn't do this move, but if we are thinking about moving Melo, I think a package of Boozer, Gibson and Butler would be as good as we can do. We get two young players to add add with Hardaway that play both ends of the Floor. That would also open up the possibility of trading chandler for a future asset and start compiling young players for when the cap opens up.

owning our pick in next year's draft with Butler, Hardaway, Gibson a potential asset in a chandler deal would a nice start.

Or we could just go with a high energy team for a year of Felton, Shumpert, Butler, Boozer, Chandler with Hardaway, Gibson, Amare off the bench. Would probably be comparable to the Atlanta Hawks and secure a mid tier seed.

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:“That’s the only thing I care about. Everything else is irrelevant to me when it comes to basketball. Championship is the only thing on my mind. That’s the only thing I want to accomplish, the only thing I want to achieve, and I’m going to do what I got to do to get that.”

Not every elite athlete, with the focus on his productivity, can function in New York. Carmelo Anthony has the rare ability to life his game to any ocassion. We would be crazy not to acquire just two players who can hang with him on the court.... one a guard and the other a 6'10 forward with swag.

He would be crazy to leave 30M on the table in the worlds largest media market.

Win here and you are set for life.

we are winning nothing with him here. history is not on his side, nor is the present situation... unless he asks to be paid 12-13 million a year annually and have someone take over the team and put him in his place.

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Yeah but who do you plan to bring in that is Melo level and will take less money?

MELO NEEDS TO TAKE LESS MONEY. A LOT LESS.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We need to rededicate ourselves to finding players who fit with him. Need to addree the PG position. Either Lowry soon, or Rondo or Dragic next year. Develop Hardaway Jr. as the future SG, he's a great fit with Melo and has a ton of potential. Maybe he can eventually develop the way Afflalo has into a secondary scoring option. Let everyone else expire. Try to bring back Chandler on the cheap for a championship run. Continue to find and develop solid minimum salary pickups like Murray, Tyler, Prigioni, etc. Try to salvage enough cap space to go after 1 major free agent to complete the core. Then we should be good.

are you insane he is impossible to build "around." this is a nonstarter.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We need to rededicate ourselves to finding players who fit with him. Need to addree the PG position. Either Lowry soon, or Rondo or Dragic next year. Develop Hardaway Jr. as the future SG, he's a great fit with Melo and has a ton of potential. Maybe he can eventually develop the way Afflalo has into a secondary scoring option. Let everyone else expire. Try to bring back Chandler on the cheap for a championship run. Continue to find and develop solid minimum salary pickups like Murray, Tyler, Prigioni, etc. Try to salvage enough cap space to go after 1 major free agent to complete the core. Then we should be good.

are you insane he is impossible to build "around." this is a nonstarter.

unless you want to ensure your team always has a winning record and goes to the playoffs. Then its actually a good idea.

Yup, if you give yourself a chance by getting to the playoffs, you never know what can happen. Just like Dallas. No one said you could build around Dirk either.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We need to rededicate ourselves to finding players who fit with him. Need to addree the PG position. Either Lowry soon, or Rondo or Dragic next year. Develop Hardaway Jr. as the future SG, he's a great fit with Melo and has a ton of potential. Maybe he can eventually develop the way Afflalo has into a secondary scoring option. Let everyone else expire. Try to bring back Chandler on the cheap for a championship run. Continue to find and develop solid minimum salary pickups like Murray, Tyler, Prigioni, etc. Try to salvage enough cap space to go after 1 major free agent to complete the core. Then we should be good.

are you insane he is impossible to build "around." this is a nonstarter.

unless you want to ensure your team always has a winning record and goes to the playoffs. Then its actually a good idea.

Yup, if you give yourself a chance by getting to the playoffs, you never know what can happen. Just like Dallas. No one said you could build around Dirk either.

gunsnewing wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Of course this requires the Knicks to be competent for once

But they probably have their eyes set on rondo and Melo at $30mil per

Yeah i think Rondo would be good, but rather than get rid of every asset for him i would rather give up one or two for Lowry (while unloading Felton's long-term deal), and save some cap space for Green or Parsons. Lowry and Parsons/Green would be better than Rondo and either starting Smith at the 3 or the revolving door of trial and error. Lowry, Hardaway, and Parsons/Green are all players that fit perfectly with Melo, are all on the right side of 30, and can be secondary pieces/borderline all-stars in the right system.

Agreed with everything except no one wants anything to do with Felton

We need to trade Tyson for a protected or late 1st round pick and the. Use that to get Lowry or Rubio

Parsons would be great but Id definitely settle for Green. He can play some defense around Melo and can im occasionally carry a team with his shooting and scoring

Then you try to get Asik who makes big money next year from the poison pmbill but would resign for much less. Whatever the market is for a young serviceable big

Not like Tyson who is serviceable and gets a 4yr $60mil bloated deal

Toronto agreed to take Felton in a deal for Lowry. Dolan nixed it so he didn't have to part ways with another pick to their GM.

Nalod wrote:Im in the Fishmike camp MeloThink.

Did not love Melo in Denver, did not like the trade but the guy has won me over with his play but Im quite real as to the dynamics of his game and the real problem is not him but the price we paid to get him,and other moves that have depleted our cup board of assets. Horriific guard play and injuries this year is killing us. Im not blaming woodson or Bargnani who has shown some flashes of being a good player. Not great, but good. Because of his range it allows Melo to play "the 4" and beast. Problem is Melo-Chandler-Barnani-felton have not played too many games to build the chemistry needed for a run.

I don't trust La La encouraging words. If there is a time to rebuild now is not the time to commit to youth. GOtta have picks to do that.

specious reasoning: recall what walsh said leading up to the trade for carmelo anthony-- "a player is good at one price and not good at another." translation: you can't think about price without also thinking about value. melo was and is overvalued. if you are overvalued then you overrated and if you are overrated then you are not as good as you or your supporters think you are.

the knicks went into win-now mode with this ridiculous trade and ridiculous contract and now the knicks have really no shot at getting to the final four with melo as the main cog to "build around."

i said it back in the days leading up to february 2011 and i'll say it again now: you never, ever, pay players like carmelo anthony max money and you certainly never, ever, trade for players like carmelo anthony. and lastly, if you have already invested in a similarly flawed and overpaid player in amare stoudemire then you certainly never never, ever ever, neverever compound the problem by acquiring carmelo anthony at max oney and in a trade!!!!!!

he needs to accept a drastic paycut or he will continue to be the face of a failed knicks era just as marbury and thomas before him.