gunsnewing wrote:If Tyler can develop as a consistent scorer in the post and defender we can focus on PG and shooters. We don't need another Allstar in the front line

Submit that plan to the front office please..

RonRon wrote:JJ Redick or Kyle Korver
Dragic
Wilson Chandler

are 3 players that would be less than combined salary of 25m per year deal
Not money well spent for ONE player....

Melo is one of the better scorers in the league but he isn't good enough to build around at a max extension
We should build around a core NOT 1 player IF we want to be able to contend
However, if we can build a core WITH him in 2015, I do think it is possible if he is willing to take less, just my opinion....

The talent from vet min players to players in the 2-5m range is a HUGE difference in terms of talent
players such as

Speights
Randy Foye/Nate Robinson
Bayless

are just to name a few, even though there are many players that could be steals at the vet min, we cannot build an entire team on 1-2 players and especially if they are not LOCK DOWN DEFENDERS, to go with vet min players, it just doesn't work that way
Look at the Pacer's, we have to have talent, a TEAM with talent that plays both OFF and DEF, and that is part of the reason why we are not a good DEF team or a good OFF team lacking a system/philosophy to run

Tyson Chandler is a good defender, but he is only good when the team can defend their man 1v1 and he occasionally helps
We cannot expect him to make up for the lack of DEF of others in multiple positions and that is what we have been doing
He isn't utilized correctly and doesn't have the players that compliment him, he also doesn't compliment the OFF that we lack

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:These guys aren't difference makers, they are complimentary pieces...We don't have a foundation to add complimentary pieces to...

and if you pay Melo he is seeking you won't have the ability to surround him with the complimentary pieces after, with mainly vet min players

All those "non difference makers" you say would are also MUCH better than the players we have on our roster, if we had them in fact, I believe we would be 3 team in the East

That is why I say it is best for the Knick's and Melo for him to opt till 2015 and then build a core with him in the summer of 2015

he will be on the other side of 30. how smart is that ron?

playa2 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

playa2 wrote:If Kemba Walker played we would have had a much harder time winning because he makes his teammates better., Melo played focused, he only does that normally in the playoffs.

If Kemba Walker played and the game was close, Melo would have played the entire game and might have put up 75 last night.

Kemba would of had our defense(PG's) scrambling switching and that would have taken some of the energy out of the team. You forgot how bad our pg defense really is in one night. SMH

Did you forget that we had stopped switching in the game. Look everyone gets hurt. Hey if Kobe was 100 percent and Pau also for the lakers they would have a better record. Stop trying to undercut what Melo did.

tkf wrote:it was a good performance nothing more... his team is 11 games under .500 it is a reminder not to make this more than it is.. again I figured I would see these types of threads, would appear... but the next game I am sure will wake you guys up again.. a personal achievment for carmelo.. nothing more...

TKF why don't you just stay the hell off the thread. You are a real sick dude Nothing can change what Melo did last night and it was something great. It will go down in the history books in the NBA. I sure hope Melo stays in New York so you can remain the miserable anti Knick fan that you are.

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:These guys aren't difference makers, they are complimentary pieces...We don't have a foundation to add complimentary pieces to...

and if you pay Melo he is seeking you won't have the ability to surround him with the complimentary pieces after, with mainly vet min players

All those "non difference makers" you say would are also MUCH better than the players we have on our roster, if we had them in fact, I believe we would be 3 team in the East

That is why I say it is best for the Knick's and Melo for him to opt till 2015 and then build a core with him in the summer of 2015

You have to be realistic..The Knicks traded complimentary pieces to get Melo..Denver didn't want to do it..The Knicks aren't going to reverse it because Amare can't perform, which is the real reason the Knicks suck...

tkf wrote:let me ask this.. have you guys expectations of carmelo and this team risen because of last night.. because this thread is an indication of that..

What I bet you will find is that the outside perception of last nights game does not match that of the fanbase..

for example.. durant scores 54 points, he has been on a tremendous 10 game tear.. ESPN had a segment about durant seperating himself from lebron in the MVP race after that outburst..

you see the outside perception and expectations more than likely matches OKC fanbase expectations and perception.. they don't care that durant Draaaaaaags his team to the postseason, or that he wins another scoring title.. they expect to be in the finals.. they may care to a certain extent if he wins MVP, but that may come hand in hand with him getting to the finals..

so I ask again, has last night changed your expectations of carmelo and what he will do for our team, without having to place unnecessary blame on his teamates.

and another thing, for those who feel getting rid of carmelo, the knicks won't be able to score.. okc last night didn't have durant or westbrook and they scored 101 points... and please name their scorers.....

TKF you can say anything do anything but it won't change the greatness of Melo's performance. This team is not bad because of Melo it's because of his supporting cast.

Papabear wrote:

playa2 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

playa2 wrote:If Kemba Walker played we would have had a much harder time winning because he makes his teammates better., Melo played focused, he only does that normally in the playoffs.

If Kemba Walker played and the game was close, Melo would have played the entire game and might have put up 75 last night.

Kemba would of had our defense(PG's) scrambling switching and that would have taken some of the energy out of the team. You forgot how bad our pg defense really is in one night. SMH

Papabear Says

Did you forget that we had stopped switching in the game. Look everyone gets hurt. Hey if Kobe was 100 percent and Pau also for the lakers they would have a better record. Stop trying to undercut what Melo did.

Not undercutting what Melo did, just not pumping up our pg's who can't stay in front of Kemba who breaks us down defensively and makes everyone use up energy trying to help them out including Melo. Did you watch the previous game against the CATS ?

gunsnewing wrote:Also what plan isn't vague as we don't know what Dolan and mills are thinking?

Thats exactly my point....It doesn't matter if Melo plays for pennies...We still have the same Management structure, with Dolan as the lead dog. So this team could still be surrounded by injury vets, regardless of how much we give Melo. If you want to really change something, you have to start from the top. But lets entertain how to build around Melo....

It's always hard to build around a gunner that plays SG, SF or PF. There's only a few elite players in the history of the game that was able to win a championship, without having a PG or Center as a dominate player. Melo is not on that level because his strongest skill is just on the offensive end...Eventhough he's working on other parts of his game, it should be clear to everybody that Melo is better when he only has to concentrate on scoring...aka 62 pts.

We need a top PG or Center or both to play with Melo.....The only exception is pairing him up with Lebron. Anything else will only get you in and out of the playoffs, wondering what we should do next.....Same story, different year!

So if I was the Knicks, I would load the team up with potential star caliber players at the PG and Center spot. Maybe spend most of your remaining funds on those two positions, and then find role players to fill in the rest. The other positions should be solid role players that understand how to play with a gunner like Melo. Not these wanna be Melo type of players (JR Smith). You can not have too many Melos / gunners on one team.....We need more balance. Need some Shane Battier or Bruce Bowen types....even David Lee....Players that don't need offensive plays to impact the game.