holfresh wrote:RonRon wrote:holfresh wrote:RonRon wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:I think a team consisting of KLove, Lowry and Melo can beat anyone in the East, how ydo we get there??
If Teams are really interested in Chandler then their is a way to get Lowry if TO is interested?
This scenario is plausible, pay Lowry 10 mil per, which is less than Chandler is making, Melo can get his money maybe 23/25 mil per...2015 slide KLove into Amare's slot at 20 mil per...Develop Shump, TimJr, and Tyler and see what we have...Have Melo make a full court press on KLove...
salary cap doesn't work that way unless you can TRADE them, unfortunately STAT would require many talents, assets, and many 1st round picks, for anyone of Kevin Love's caliber
And that is why if Melo opts out this summer vs letting his contract expire and then resigning in 2015 is needed for the better of the Knicks
The salary cap is about 60m, with cap holds etc, you cannot substitute a contract for contract unless you are WAY under the salary cap, which we would not be if Melo opts out, with the salaries of Felton, JR Smith, Iman, Pablo, Tim Hardway, 2015 1st rounder, any contracts we look to upgrade between now and 2016.... etc
Telling Kevin Love to come for 10m just isn't happening
but
keeping Melo and Love at about 15m per year is POSSIBLE...
Also Lowry at 10m per year, I would rather take the next available player, we cannot afford to spend that much on a PG of that caliber, Dragic is making 7.5m and has an opt out for 2015
I'm not a cap guru but right now the Knicks have 12.6 mil scheduled for 2015 on the books..Melo and Lowry could add another 30 mil if structured properly...U are telling me we can't add KLove as a free agent at say 18 mil in the first year after that??
In that 12.6m, they are player options of
JR Smith
Raymond Felton
TEAM option of 1m? of Pablo Prigioni
You are not including the salary of
1- Iman
2- Tim Hardway
3- 2015 summer 1st round pick (which we still own)
4- The pay raise of what you assume Lowry and Melo would be making
5- CAP HOLD of which I am not going to fully explain explain, basically we MUST have 12 roster spots held accountable for at the league min of about $500,000
6- future contracts *this summer's 3m MLE*
7- along with any 2nd round picks we may purchase or trade for, with possible future trades, or unsigned rookies to target, Jeremy Tyler who whoever might be kept are younger players to continue development on
So in short, NO, not unless we trade Raymond Felton and/or JR Smith and is your plan to have 3 players of
Lowry, Melo, Love and all vet min FA's and wait another 4 more years till we can add FA's with the MLE and every other year's 1st round pick?
Is that team going to ever contend with Pacer's team moving forward?
If you don't understand the CAP, you probably might think that you can build around Melo if he opts out this year and pay him over 20m per year, but if you do understand it, you will likely understand why he would likely need to recruit for 2015 and NOT opt out, while taking a bit less at least to have talent around him in NYK to contend
The scenarios drawn up for acquiring Lowry involved trading Shump, Felton and a pick for him...It's not an impossible cap situation where moves can't be made to make happen it(Love, Melo and Lowry) were it possible...
And yes, I feel a team consisting of Love, Melo and Lowry can compete with Indy and Miami...
I respect you for taking your time to answer my questions and sticking with your opinion even though I don't agree with it
In my opinion we do need to build around a CORE of players but 3 players with vet min players just doesn't cut it
With that trio that you assembled
Lowry
Melo
Love
JR??
20151st rounder
I think you need much more talent than vet min players to be able to fill out the roster with VERY GOOD versatile SG/SF and a SF/PF that in the previous posts
Problem is we cannot get that type of talent with vet min or even 3m MLE unless they are some players that we can somehow DEVELOP like a Lance Stephenson (which takes time, patience, and a bit of luck)
Also I think we need MELO to NOT opt out this summer and to recruit in 2015 to form his own trio much like Miami Heat did, possibly getting 3 players to come together and probably even each take slightly less
I just don't agree that we can build around Melo if he wants anything in the range of 20m + with the way the CBA is structured, the picks we already traded, likely future picks that we would have to trade, we need to make a decision on Melo and if he wants to retire here as a Knick while still being a contender (if not we should trade him for future draft picks, young players, and players that expire before 2015 summer) We would then likely tank for our own pick in 2015 for a top pick and look to build back up the value of players with Melo not here like JR Smith, Iman, Tim Hardway JR
For instance
Dragic (7-8m) or even bring back Jeremy Lin for about 4-5m
Rudy Gay (8-10m)
Melo (12-15m with a player option to OPT out in 2016 summer and sign a larger extension that is under the table agreed with Dolan and Melo)
Kevin Love or LA (15-17m)
Duncan (2m with room exemption or cap space and promise a future job in the Knick's coaching or management with player options for year 2 and/or 3 which we would still pay if he retires as a under the table agreement, and also target Poppavich and Spur's management/coaching/development)
Maybe 2 year vet min deal that would allow him to retire just after 1 year but still get payed for year 2 but still promise of FUTURE job with a HIGH salary with any position he wants to do whether it is a Head Coaching job, assistant coach, development coach, scouting, or future management positions
3m MLE this summer (Bayless, Sessions, Greviez Vasquez, or Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion (gamble at his age but has still been highly productive thus far), Gortat (unlikely at that price for a BIG)
Channing Frye??? Jordan Hill???
2-4m (with salary cap room) Could be Tyson Chandler but lets see how he is in a couple of years, maybe the vet min would be enough...
JR Smith (6m)
2015 1st round pick (could be traded at draft night for salary reasons for future 2nd round picks and a player)
vet min players that are on our current team
STAT (for his age and injuries, I wouldn't pay him much but if he wants to stay a Knick, a 2 year vet min with partial guarantees for 2nd year)
Tyson Chandler, I think by 2015, his best years would be behind him and I don't know what his value of his next contract would be but it would MUCH less than his current salary
I think it would likely drop to 3-4m AT LEAST with 1 or 2 years at best, I wouldn't pay him for than 3-4m with more than 2 years personally to stay a Knick
1m (undrafted or vet min players that we CONTINUE development like)
James Johnson
Brandon Rush
Jeremy Tyler
Tourre Murry
Jordan Hendricks (Houston's player that was waived in the summer)
Chris Johnson (ex Twolve)
buy a few 2nd round picks for this summer with the 3m to use that we haven't used yet this past summer and would be eligible to use again during next summer)
sign a couple of undrafted players
maybe some of the players that Briggs has already suggested we keep an eye on at the PG/C position
Poppavich ( utilizing Poppavich's network, respect, and experience to attract some FA's as well) with a high salary and promise a future job in management until he finds his successor) his successor could be Tim Duncan who would be part of our fundamental's coach with a great deal of respect from players in the league
Basically give Poppavich what Pat Riley wanted and became for the Miami Heat as he groomed Spolestra to replace him
The reason why I selected players above is because they have heard similar criticism to Melo and have at least been one of the more talented players in their positions at one point of their NBA careers
with exemption to Dragic (because he barely got to play a decent role till the past 2 seasons)
And if Melo is willing to start it off by taking less and go out of his way to recruit those players while we have Poppavich, a new GM, and Tim Duncan to attract a FA's, a new coaching system/philosophy that DOESN'T INVOLVE ISO and a REAL CHANGE in management
Kevin Love
Rudy Gay
Dragic
Tim Duncan (Leadership)
1/20/2014 3:20 PM LAST EDITED: 1/20/2014 3:28 PM