tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

i'm underwhelmed...

I actually have not seen this kid play until now in this clip. He looked pretty good. I would compare him to Greivis Vasquez. He is not fastest cat out there but I like how he keeps his dribble and his head up at all times. His defense also is very good. I can see him being in the caliber of a Jarrett Jack.

tkf - your random generalizations are funny

Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov and even Landry Fields had vocal supporters. While you are naming names, David Lee could easily be consider a core player. So could double double machine Zack Randolph.

Who are these "you guys" you speak of?

"Most of you"? Not really. That sounds like the infamous, vapid and overused Fox News quote, "most people say.."

Core players play basketball the right way.

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:I find it funny. Gallo, chandler, moz, fields and picks, was not good enough for you guys... as most of you said, who wants to come play with them..

tkf - your random generalizations are funny

Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov and even Landry Fields had vocal supporters. While you are naming names, David Lee could easily be consider a core player. So could double double machine Zack Randolph.

Who are these "you guys" you speak of?

"Most of you"? Not really. That sounds like the infamous, vapid and overused Fox News quote, "most people say.."

Core players play basketball the right way.

you're wrong as usual. the players you describe are

1) players you merely add to an existing mix of two or three top 20 players to create depth for a title run
2) players you retain when you are in a position to acquire a top 5 player by (A) draft or (B) through free agency.

the knicks had an opportunity to acquire carmelo ****ing anthony as a free agent.

you are surely one of those guys who was in favor of the trade, no use in denying it. "10 times out of ten" and what not. LOL. it was a dead wrong position then and we are seeing the fruits of that dead wrong position now.

get over yourself.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:I find it funny. Gallo, chandler, moz, fields and picks, was not good enough for you guys... as most of you said, who wants to come play with them..

tkf - your random generalizations are funny

Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov and even Landry Fields had vocal supporters. While you are naming names, David Lee could easily be consider a core player. So could double double machine Zack Randolph.

Who are these "you guys" you speak of?

"Most of you"? Not really. That sounds like the infamous, vapid and overused Fox News quote, "most people say.."

Core players play basketball the right way.

you're wrong as usual. the players you describe are

1) players you merely add to an existing mix of two or three top 20 players to create depth for a title run
2) players you retain when you are in a position to acquire a top 5 player by (A) draft or (B) through free agency.

the knicks had an opportunity to acquire carmelo ****ing anthony as a free agent.

you are surely one of those guys who was in favor of the trade, no use in denying it. "10 times out of ten" and what not. LOL. it was a dead wrong position then and we are seeing the fruits of that dead wrong position now.

get over yourself.

so we are back to the theory that Ujiri is going to get nothing and let melo walk 8 months after the raptors and cavs lost franchise players for nothing? We assume that carmelo wants to play so badly for the Knicks that he doesn't try to get a deal done before the owners lockout the players to reign in free agency. And we have to assume that he wanted to be a knick so badly that he would sign a contract for 25 mil less? That is what you really thought would happen?

lets start here: did we have all the leverage? it's a yes no question and it would be great if we got a "yes" or "no" answer.

would it have been so awful for melo fans to watch him wait for free agency or for knick fans to see him play for another team such as the nets for a one year rental? that way both melo fans and knick fans would be better off.

in an alternate universe what fate would be worse than the one the knicks are making their fans endure now with this franchise-wrecking hero?

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:I find it funny. Gallo, chandler, moz, fields and picks, was not good enough for you guys... as most of you said, who wants to come play with them..

tkf - your random generalizations are funny

Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov and even Landry Fields had vocal supporters. While you are naming names, David Lee could easily be consider a core player. So could double double machine Zack Randolph.

Who are these "you guys" you speak of?

"Most of you"? Not really. That sounds like the infamous, vapid and overused Fox News quote, "most people say.."

Core players play basketball the right way.

you're wrong as usual. the players you describe are

1) players you merely add to an existing mix of two or three top 20 players to create depth for a title run
2) players you retain when you are in a position to acquire a top 5 player by (A) draft or (B) through free agency.

the knicks had an opportunity to acquire carmelo ****ing anthony as a free agent.

you are surely one of those guys who was in favor of the trade, no use in denying it. "10 times out of ten" and what not. LOL. it was a dead wrong position then and we are seeing the fruits of that dead wrong position now.

get over yourself.

so we are back to the theory that Ujiri is going to get nothing and let melo walk 8 months after the raptors and cavs lost franchise players for nothing? We assume that carmelo wants to play so badly for the Knicks that he doesn't try to get a deal done before the owners lockout the players to reign in free agency. And we have to assume that he wanted to be a knick so badly that he would sign a contract for 25 mil less? That is what you really thought would happen?

lets start here: did we have all the leverage? it's a yes no question and it would be great if we got a "yes" or "no" answer.

would it have been so awful for melo fans to watch him wait for free agency or for knick fans to see him play for another team such as the nets for a one year rental? that way both melo fans and knick fans would be better off.

in an alternate universe what fate would be worse than the one the knicks are making their fans endure now with this franchise-wrecking hero?

Who is the gm that takes him for a 1/3 of the season rental. Mills may need to contact him. But again you are saying that a team trades for him to have him for 1/3 of a season, Melo is willing to risk signing a new deal under the yet to be negotiated cba that minimally he knows will not be as player movement friendly, and that he is willing to leave his new team and take 25 mil less to be a Knick. That is a lot of assumptions. In the real world scenario that makes no sense for anyone involved except the Knicks.

so what you are saying is that Urji was at risk losing carmelo for nothing and he wasn't going to do that..

No team wanted to take carmelo on a half season rental

carmelo didn't want to wait because of the uncertainty of the not yet negotiated CBA..

Well jeez crushalot, sounds like the knicks should have been the team in the drivers seat as they didn't have to trade for carmelo at all unless it was a killer deal for the knicks...

BUT IT WASN'T... knicks got hosed, and fleeced... again, how in the hell did that happen under these circumstances?

CrushAlot wrote:Ujiri was moving Melo. So yeah they weren't in the driver's seat. Melo is met by the deadline and just like DWill the 25 mil convinces him to stay a net.
Did you think the wait for everyone involved in the deal to take huge losses other than the Knicks so that Melo could become a Knick was the best plan of action?

I do agree with you now that if we didn't pull the trigger on the trade then he would have become a Net. He wasn't going into free agency during that lockout.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:I find it funny. Gallo, chandler, moz, fields and picks, was not good enough for you guys... as most of you said, who wants to come play with them..

tkf - your random generalizations are funny

Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov and even Landry Fields had vocal supporters. While you are naming names, David Lee could easily be consider a core player. So could double double machine Zack Randolph.

Who are these "you guys" you speak of?

"Most of you"? Not really. That sounds like the infamous, vapid and overused Fox News quote, "most people say.."

Core players play basketball the right way.

you're wrong as usual. the players you describe are

1) players you merely add to an existing mix of two or three top 20 players to create depth for a title run
2) players you retain when you are in a position to acquire a top 5 player by (A) draft or (B) through free agency.

the knicks had an opportunity to acquire carmelo ****ing anthony as a free agent.

you are surely one of those guys who was in favor of the trade, no use in denying it. "10 times out of ten" and what not. LOL. it was a dead wrong position then and we are seeing the fruits of that dead wrong position now.

get over yourself.

so we are back to the theory that Ujiri is going to get nothing and let melo walk 8 months after the raptors and cavs lost franchise players for nothing? We assume that carmelo wants to play so badly for the Knicks that he doesn't try to get a deal done before the owners lockout the players to reign in free agency. And we have to assume that he wanted to be a knick so badly that he would sign a contract for 25 mil less? That is what you really thought would happen?

lets start here: did we have all the leverage? it's a yes no question and it would be great if we got a "yes" or "no" answer.

would it have been so awful for melo fans to watch him wait for free agency or for knick fans to see him play for another team such as the nets for a one year rental? that way both melo fans and knick fans would be better off.

in an alternate universe what fate would be worse than the one the knicks are making their fans endure now with this franchise-wrecking hero?

Who is the gm that takes him for a 1/3 of the season rental. Mills may need to contact him. But again you are saying that a team trades for him to have him for 1/3 of a season, Melo is willing to risk signing a new deal under the yet to be negotiated cba that minimally he knows will not be as player movement friendly, and that he is willing to leave his new team and take 25 mil less to be a Knick. That is a lot of assumptions. In the real world scenario that makes no sense for anyone involved except the Knicks.

so what you are saying is that Urji was at risk losing carmelo for nothing and he wasn't going to do that..

No team wanted to take carmelo on a half season rental

carmelo didn't want to wait because of the uncertainty of the not yet negotiated CBA..

Well jeez crushalot, sounds like the knicks should have been the team in the drivers seat as they didn't have to trade for carmelo at all unless it was a killer deal for the knicks...

BUT IT WASN'T... knicks got hosed, and fleeced... again, how in the hell did that happen under these circumstances?

Ujiri was moving Melo. So yeah they weren't in the driver's seat. Melo is met by the deadline and just like DWill the 25 mil convinces him to stay a net.
Did you think the wait for everyone involved in the deal to take huge losses other than the Knicks so that Melo could become a Knick was the best plan of action?

For the knicks. The best plan of action was to wait and call that donkeys bluff. If he took his clown show on the road to the nets, then great for us! we win.... You are acting as if the knicks had to make the trade come hell or high water... I don't care what carmelo wanted.. or even the nuggets.. All I care about is what was best for the knicks, and we threw our advantage out the window..

tkf wrote:did you read what the OP stated? he is talking core guys..

these guys are marginal finds at best.. as I said, we could have had DJ augustine for peanuts.. look at his numbers since he came to chicago.. impressive..

knicks have done pretty well finding guys like copeland, lin and novak.. but a poor job keeping them, instead we seem to keep the wrong players..

guys like Torue whatever and this tyler guy are fringe NBA players, not sure if they are NBA talent, that is the truth.... we can't be talking core players with guys who are fringe NBA talent..

tkf - are the Phoenix Suns fringe players?

Suns Defy Expectations on Court, Bench and in Front Office

NYTimes: January 2, 2014

Hornacek has molded the new-look Suns into a confident, competitive, cohesive and conscientious bunch. They practice hard, play fast, pay attention to defense, put up 3s with impunity and have fun. In their effort, execution and ease, they are taking their cues from their coach. During their longest night, a 115-86 loss at Golden State last Friday, one of the Suns turned the ball over when a pass slipped through his hands. Instead of hurling abuse at the offender, Hornacek picked up a rosin bag and pretended to toss it to him.

Against Philadelphia, Gerald Green came off the bench in the first quarter and made two 3-pointers in a span of 17 seconds, his 24-footers wrapped around a Plumlee blocked shot.

“Because I know I have a coach that trusts me, I don’t have to worry if I don’t make it,” said Green, a 6-foot-8 swingman who turned pro out of high school in 2005. “This is probably the most confidence I’ve ever played with.”

Confidence alone does not explain how Green went from a dunk contest winner to a 39.2 percent 3-point shooter. “It’s all about working on your craft and trying every day to get better,” he said.

The backcourt of Bledsoe and Dragic has been excellent. The guards are on a pace to become the first teammates to average at least 18 points and 6 assists each since the Chicago Bulls’ Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen did so in 1991-92.

“It’s unbelievable,” Dragic said. “I could never dream about that.”

When the Suns acquired Bledsoe, Dragic worried that it might end up a nightmare. “You never know how things are going to work,” he said. “Someday you’re here, someday you can be on a different team.”

Is Miles Plumlee a fringe player?

Gerald Green?

Help me out here tkf.

misterearl wrote:Did you say yoots?

Just checking NBADraft.net

Knicks receive the Kings 2014 second-round pick via Celtics (top 55 protected)

What happened to the Knicks second round pick in the 2014 draft?

misterearl wrote:The Fringe Players

tkf wrote:did you read what the OP stated? he is talking core guys..

these guys are marginal finds at best.. as I said, we could have had DJ augustine for peanuts.. look at his numbers since he came to chicago.. impressive..

knicks have done pretty well finding guys like copeland, lin and novak.. but a poor job keeping them, instead we seem to keep the wrong players..

guys like Torue whatever and this tyler guy are fringe NBA players, not sure if they are NBA talent, that is the truth.... we can't be talking core players with guys who are fringe NBA talent..

tkf - are the Phoenix Suns fringe players?

Suns Defy Expectations on Court, Bench and in Front Office

NYTimes: January 2, 2014

Hornacek has molded the new-look Suns into a confident, competitive, cohesive and conscientious bunch. They practice hard, play fast, pay attention to defense, put up 3s with impunity and have fun. In their effort, execution and ease, they are taking their cues from their coach. During their longest night, a 115-86 loss at Golden State last Friday, one of the Suns turned the ball over when a pass slipped through his hands. Instead of hurling abuse at the offender, Hornacek picked up a rosin bag and pretended to toss it to him.

Against Philadelphia, Gerald Green came off the bench in the first quarter and made two 3-pointers in a span of 17 seconds, his 24-footers wrapped around a Plumlee blocked shot.

“Because I know I have a coach that trusts me, I don’t have to worry if I don’t make it,” said Green, a 6-foot-8 swingman who turned pro out of high school in 2005. “This is probably the most confidence I’ve ever played with.”

Confidence alone does not explain how Green went from a dunk contest winner to a 39.2 percent 3-point shooter. “It’s all about working on your craft and trying every day to get better,” he said.

The backcourt of Bledsoe and Dragic has been excellent. The guards are on a pace to become the first teammates to average at least 18 points and 6 assists each since the Chicago Bulls’ Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen did so in 1991-92.

“It’s unbelievable,” Dragic said. “I could never dream about that.”

When the Suns acquired Bledsoe, Dragic worried that it might end up a nightmare. “You never know how things are going to work,” he said. “Someday you’re here, someday you can be on a different team.”

Is Miles Plumlee a fringe player?

Gerald Green?

Help me out here tkf.

dragic, Bledsoe, the twins, frye, are all solid to good NBA players... add in plumlee as well who is a darn good player.. our best young guys are not even a fraction of the player of guys like Bledsoe, and plumlee.... you really make no sense with your posting.. why did you even post this? the suns have good talent... we have fringe NBA players, guys who may not even be NBA talent.. why are you talking about the suns?it is ridiculous...

just stop it!!

the Suns core is a bunch of rejects.

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