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12/27/2013  10:27 AM
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holfresh wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:It's ok we have Raymond Felton

Merry Christmas every body!


I remember last year when one person here whose name starts with an H kept saying Felton was better than Lin.

The only time Lin comes up is when Felton gets hurt...Isn't that amazing...The Lin supporters didn't utter a peep last year until Felton went down...Felton was MVP of the Boston series and where was Lin, on the bench hurt as usual...Please step up when Felton isn't hurt...

Stop being such a bytch and just admit you were wrong. It's silly. No one at this point thinks Felton is better than Lin. Not even you.

It's not even the point..Lin didnt want to play for the Knicks...He wanted his own stage..You guys are jilted lovers living in the past..He signed a contract so it was difficult for the Knicks to match..Good riddance in my eyes...But no, yearn for the lost love..Dude got beat out by a journeyman...

LOL you actually believe that?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/27/2013  10:33 AM
toad wrote:
holfresh wrote:
toad wrote:
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
toad wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:It's ok we have Raymond Felton

Merry Christmas every body!


I remember last year when one person here whose name starts with an H kept saying Felton was better than Lin.

The only time Lin comes up is when Felton gets hurt...Isn't that amazing...The Lin supporters didn't utter a peep last year until Felton went down...Felton was MVP of the Boston series and where was Lin, on the bench hurt as usual...Please step up when Felton isn't hurt...

Stop being such a bytch and just admit you were wrong. It's silly. No one at this point thinks Felton is better than Lin. Not even you.

It's not even the point..Lin didnt want to play for the Knicks...He wanted his own stage..You guys are jilted lovers living in the past..He signed a contract so it was difficult for the Knicks to match..Good riddance in my eyes...But no, yearn for the lost love..Dude got beat out by a journeyman...

I don't know that he didn't want to play for the Knicks. I do know that he wanted to get the best contract that he could, fired his agent and hired a high powered firm, sat out of usa select basketball because he didn't want to jeopardize his free agency, and that his new agent released statemets saying it wasn't a sure thing that he would resign with the Knicks. I don't have an issue with his trying to get the best deal that he could. However, the deal he signed had a third year that made it very difficult for the Knicks to match. It seems to be the reason his name is being brought up in trade rumors now. The Knicks choosing not to match his contract made sense because of the amount it would cost the team to keep him. I think the only thing to debate is was the decision to not match the poison pill deal a business decision or an emotional reaction by the owner.

If he wanted to play for the Knicks, he would have never signed the poison pill contract...I disagree it was an emotional reaction by the owner..Lin and Houston made it difficult to match his deal...He just wasn't worth it...

That really is the dumbest thing I've probably read on this board. He's not going to sign the ONLY contract he was offered? The Knicks could've offered an extension, never did. They could've offered an initial contract in his FA, never did. They told him to go and field a contract to get a measure of his market value, which he did. The Knicks made the choice and they made the wrong one clearly.

Sorry for the harsh headline, but I’m having a hard time coming up with any other conclusion. While I haven’t checked the Harvard core curriculum lately, it must surely be light on math, psychology and logic, and completely devoid of Marketing 101. How else to explain the self-destructive actions of its most famous basketball alum, Jeremy Lin, who has taken the global phenomenon known as Linsanity and doused it with kerosene.
NEW YORK, NY - FEBRUARY 17: (L) Jeremy Lin #17...

(Image credit: Getty Images via @daylife)

After last night’s decision by the New York Knicks to let him walk to the Houston Rockets, almost all of the analysis has focused on Knicks owner Jim Dolan. He faced a vexing dilemma, given the back-loaded contract offer from the Houston Rockets that would have forced the Knicks to effectively pay $50 million for Lin’s services three years hence. (My friend Howard Beck of the New York Times provides a useful primer here.) How do you weigh Lin’s basketball and marketing potential against a very small sample set (he’s started all of 25 games in his career) and also against not just what he would be paid, but the larger ramifications of his contract down the line? Given that the adjectives associated with Dolan, backed up a dysfunctional track record, generally include illogical, vindictive, paranoid and dumb (and because I’m a lifelong Knicks fan, I’m being kind), he’s predictably being ripped apart.
The Knicks Made Smart Call Letting Lin Walk, But It Won't Help Them Win Chris Smith Chris Smith Forbes Staff
Jeremy Lin Saga A Product of Dolan's Ineptitude Running Knicks Tom Van Riper Tom Van Riper Forbes Staff
Why Jeremy Lin Is A Rocket Mike Ozanian Mike Ozanian Forbes Staff
Houston Rockets Make Play for Knicks' Jeremy Lin with $35 Million "Poison Pill" Free Agent Contract Allen St. John Allen St. John Contributor

In the end, though, I’m more fascinated by the choices Lin made. Dolan will be rich and reviled no matter what he does. Lin may have signed a big contract, but he also just provided the folks at Harvard Business School with a brilliant case study how to cost yourself millions of dollars and scads of influence when you’re not looking at the big picture.

To review, the point guard’s scrub-to-star rise in February – Linsanity! — has arguably been the best sports story of the year, played out on one of the biggest stages, Madison Square Garden. But the NBA’s complicated labor rules forced Lin to shop around his services in order to maximize his next contract with the Knicks. At first, he did so brilliantly, according to numerous reports, originally getting Houston to offer him roughly $5 million for his first two years of his contract (the maximum anyone was allowed), and then a $9 million balloon in the third year, with a team option for a fourth.

Various Knicks sources, including their coach, playing poker as deftly as a late-night drunk at Circus Circus, announced that they would match it, and that was presumably that. A global marketing machine would remain in the global marketing capital, as had been his goal all along, Lin just told Sports Illustrated.

And this where Lin flunked miserably. After the clumsy Knicks showed their hand, Lin and Houston agreed to add another $5 million to his guaranteed salary in third year – a true poison pill, since that extra $5 million would cost the Knicks an extra $20 million or so, courtesy of the NBA’s punitive new luxury tax, atop the effective $30 million bite they had already internalized.

I get why Houston did it. But why did Lin, as an equal party to the new offer, go along? I can only offer two theories:

Financial Certainty: With the revised offer, Lin guaranteed himself an extra $5 million in his pocket, three years from now. That’s serious scratch for a man who had been sleeping on his brother’s couch earlier this year. And given legitimate worries that he was way overperforming during his magical 25 game coming out, taking the sure thing now makes some sense.

But why structure it in a way so punitive to New York? If it was all about certainty, Lin could have instead tried to guarantee that fourth year (or even a fifth year). At $9 million per, that’s way more downside protection, yet spreading it out in a way that didn’t push the Knicks toward the fiscal cliff.

As for the upside, forcing the Knicks to even consider ending his tenure in New York is the truest definition of Linsanity. If Lin is even 80% as good as he showed in flashes last season, fronting a very good, very hyped Knicks team had the potential to bring him tens of millions in endorsements. But as Steve Herz, who cuts celebrity endorsement deals as president of IF Management previously told my colleague Tom Van Riper: “Lin leading the Charlotte Bobcats back to respectability wouldn’t be that interesting. It’s not something that Coca-Cola is going to play $10 million for.”

Insert “Houston Rockets” into that sentence, and you get Lin’s new reality. Rather than the golden boy on an obsessed-over team in the world’s media capital, he’s now an above-average player on a below-average team in a low-profile city.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2012/07/18/jeremy-lin-may-be-the-dumbest-harvard-grad-ever/

So, in your world, Lin should've done what no one in this world would do and take the QO in order to stay in New York? Or should he have sat at the table with Houston and refuse to sign the one contract he was offered? He's supposed to negotiate with Houston in order to benefit New York at the risk of losing his only offer. That's brilliant.

exactly toad, people are just being ridiculous when it comes to lin and admitting they were wrong.. the knicks NEVER offered LIN a deal... The End.. He signed the only deal he was offered...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/27/2013  10:41 AM
meloanyk wrote:Lin is so good he lost his job to Patrick Beverly. We dont have a two like Harden on the roster that opens up threes for him or takes pressure off Lin's shaky ball handling. Lin was vastly overpaid and Rockets started early looking to rid themselves of the tail of his contract. If they are able to then the return on the first legs was fair. If they get stucked then they have a sub making $15 mil. Knicks couldnt afford to take that chance given their payroll structure and the ridiculous luxury tax that would have been incurred. No laments at all

go read some rockets articles.. Lin isn't starting because he isn't good or because beverly is better... it is simply a fit.. beverly shoots the three better and the rockets want to space the floor for dwight... they have a ball handler in harden who really doesn't defend hard all the time.. beverly is also a better defender than lin...

But don't get it twisted, both guys play about the same amount of time, and this is what you miss.. on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/27/2013  11:12 AM
tkf wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Lin is so good he lost his job to Patrick Beverly. We dont have a two like Harden on the roster that opens up threes for him or takes pressure off Lin's shaky ball handling. Lin was vastly overpaid and Rockets started early looking to rid themselves of the tail of his contract. If they are able to then the return on the first legs was fair. If they get stucked then they have a sub making $15 mil. Knicks couldnt afford to take that chance given their payroll structure and the ridiculous luxury tax that would have been incurred. No laments at all

go read some rockets articles.. Lin isn't starting because he isn't good or because beverly is better... it is simply a fit.. beverly shoots the three better and the rockets want to space the floor for dwight... they have a ball handler in harden who really doesn't defend hard all the time.. beverly is also a better defender than lin...

But don't get it twisted, both guys play about the same amount of time, and this is what you miss.. on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Yes... we should get back to the point of this thread.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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12/27/2013  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2013  12:26 PM
This is all so "You reap what you sow" now, isn't it?
I love the Knicks, but they needed this debacle to cement what all the fans already knew:
Dolan runs the team from his emotions. It isn't about winning or giving fans what they want. We have an ass-semblance of too many stupid players and too few intelligent ones.

And for those of you looking at just Lin's numbers now (which are not bad, much much better than Fatton), please, Lin was the best thing to happen to this franchise since Ewing. He brought the Garden on their feet for weeks on end. It was the most magical ride I have EVER seen in ANY sport in my life. What an incredible time. The fans just loved Lin and THAT is why Dolan let him go. This is MElow's team, Dolan's team.
And ironic now, we need an intelligent PG. They said they "saved" money but it cost us more money and more picks and more of our fanbase. Was it worth it Dolan?

The funny thing is that you can't measure heart. You see it on the court and Lin was just overflowing with it. He was made for this city. His game was right, his HIGH IQ, etc.

And we let that walk away. I feel bad for Tim Jr. but we should just let the this building continue to burn. We all know the illness that Dolan is and to put the nail
in the coffin he even brought Mills back. So fitting.

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12/27/2013  12:32 PM
tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

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12/27/2013  12:57 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
toad wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:It's ok we have Raymond Felton

Merry Christmas every body!


I remember last year when one person here whose name starts with an H kept saying Felton was better than Lin.

The only time Lin comes up is when Felton gets hurt...Isn't that amazing...The Lin supporters didn't utter a peep last year until Felton went down...Felton was MVP of the Boston series and where was Lin, on the bench hurt as usual...Please step up when Felton isn't hurt...

Stop being such a bytch and just admit you were wrong. It's silly. No one at this point thinks Felton is better than Lin. Not even you.

It's not even the point..Lin didnt want to play for the Knicks...He wanted his own stage..You guys are jilted lovers living in the past..He signed a contract so it was difficult for the Knicks to match..Good riddance in my eyes...But no, yearn for the lost love..Dude got beat out by a journeyman...

LOL you actually believe that?

That is why I stopped arguing. No way we can meet in the middle or come to an understanding when there is no base in reality.

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12/27/2013  1:19 PM
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tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

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12/27/2013  1:24 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

Lin is better than Tyson? Not sure that he is better than JR if he ever gets right.
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12/27/2013  1:34 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

Lin is better than Tyson? Not sure that he is better than JR if he ever gets right.

Lin is a scorer, good rebounder for his position, plays the lanes great, team leader and ok defender. Tyson is great at what he does (defend, and ok rebounder) but we certainly haven't gotten noticeably better since he has been back (though I have hope). Tyson (nor any Knick) does to the crowd what Lin did. That is special and must be considered. He got the ENTIRE Garden involved. He got the ENTIRE team involved. (Ok, pg's should do that, but ours don't, outsite Prigs).

Perhaps we are splitting hairs here. I wouldn't be torn up if Tyson left. It would really hurt. But when Lin left it was demoralizing. The best thing to happen to us in years walked for nothing.
I think the fact that Lin plays PG makes him an especially important player. Whenever you have the ball in the hands of intelligence, things happen. And in a way, that is why it is bad that Melo has
the ball so much. He is a great scorer, but does so little else considering his talent.

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12/27/2013  1:37 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
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tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

Lin is better than Tyson? Not sure that he is better than JR if he ever gets right.

Lin is a scorer, good rebounder for his position, plays the lanes great, team leader and ok defender. Tyson is great at what he does (defend, and ok rebounder) but we certainly haven't gotten noticeably better since he has been back (though I have hope). Tyson (nor any Knick) does to the crowd what Lin did. That is special and must be considered. He got the ENTIRE Garden involved. He got the ENTIRE team involved. (Ok, pg's should do that, but ours don't, outsite Prigs).

Perhaps we are splitting hairs here. I wouldn't be torn up if Tyson left. It would really hurt. But when Lin left it was demoralizing. The best thing to happen to us in years walked for nothing.
I think the fact that Lin plays PG makes him an especially important player. Whenever you have the ball in the hands of intelligence, things happen. And in a way, that is why it is bad that Melo has
the ball so much. He is a great scorer, but does so little else considering his talent.

Perfect word to describe how I felt when he was let go.

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12/27/2013  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2013  1:53 PM
Yea the whole time. Up to the last minute me as well as many others were expecting the Knicks to match even though it had gotten to the point where Houston poison pilled them. When it became offici that he was indeed a rocket and I saw the red Lin rocket jersey I was seriously in a state of depression. I just couldn't can't him the fact that finally a young up and coming PG fell in our laps and we let him walk for nothing. Then I heard they were bringing back Felton and had to hear how much better he is even though I tried to work everyone that they were not getting the same Felton you got under Dantoni for 3months. I was shocked. I thought there was no way Dolan would let a cash cow made for New York player like Lin go.

It's really sad for the Knicks, for Lin and for the fans

Until I see proof that we are going to blow this team up and start from scratch. And hold on to our picks to Draft the next Kyrie, Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan etc

I WILL NOT BE EMOTIONALLY IN THIS TEAM UNTIL THEN

no going to games
No buying merch
And definitely not going out of my way to improve their MSG ratings

It's seems Dolan has finally been convinced he has been going about things the wrong way

NO MORE STARPHUCHS

Looking back it's not the GM & coaches. I was so hard on Layden Isiah and Walsh. We had David Lee, Nate Robinson Wilson chandler gallo Crawford and zack Randolph. The pressure from Dolan to trade for bums, outcasts and injured players is what did us in. Now I'm hopeful that Dolan is convinced to build from within. Young, fast, athlete and high IQ players

Guys we overpaid for or injury riddled or low IQ for over a decade of incompetence:
h20
Vin baker
Mcdyess
Marbury
Penny
Curry
Crawford
Jerome James
Tim Thomas
Mo Taylor
Eisely
shandon
Spoon
Francis
Amare
Melo
JR
Bargnani

Good we let go for STARPHUCHS:
Lin
Lee
Wilson
Mozgov
ZBo
Crawford
Nate
Ariza
Aldridge
Noah
2014 lottery pick

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12/27/2013  1:45 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea the whole time. Up to the last minute me as well as many others were expecting the Knicks to match even though it had gotten to the point where Houston poison pilled them. When it became offici that he was indeed a rocket and I saw the red Lin rocket jersey I was seriously in a state of depression. I just couldn't can't him the fact that finally a young up and coming PG fell in our laps and we let him walk for nothing. Then I heard they were bringing back Felton and had to hear how much better he is even though I tried to work everyone that they were not getting the same Felton you got under Dantoni for 3months

It's really sad for the Knicks, for Lin and for the fans

Until I see proof that we are going to blow this team up and start from scratch. And hold on to our picks to Draft the next Kyrie, Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan etc

I WILL NOT BE EMOTIONALLY IN THIS TEAM UNTIL THEN

no going to games
No buying merch
And definitely not going out of my way to improve their MSG ratings

It's seems Dolan has finally been convinced he has been going about things the wrong way

NO MORE STARPHUCHS

Looking back it's not the GM & coaches. I was so hard on Layden Isiah and Walsh. We had David Lee, Nate Robinson Wilson chandler gallo Crawford and Randolph. The pressure from Dolan to trade for bums, outcasts and injured players is what did us in. Now I'm hopeful that Dolan is convinced to build from within. Young, fast, athlete and high IQ players

Guys we overpaid for or injury riddled or low IQ for over a decade of incompetence:
h20
Vin baker
Mcdyess
Marbury
Penny
Curry
Crawford
Jerome James
Tim Thomas
Mo Taylor
Eisely
shandon
Spoon
Francis
Amare
Melo
JR
Bargnani

Good we let go for STARPHUCHS:
Lin
Lee
Wilson
Mozgov
Randolph
Crawford
Nate
Ariza
Aldridge
Noah
2014 lottery pick

That low IQ list is what nightmares are made of. I would add Woody to that list.

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12/27/2013  1:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2013  1:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

Lin is better than Tyson? Not sure that he is better than JR if he ever gets right.

But JR isnt ever "right" unless he's in a contract year with his lifestyle on the line. You indubitably have to account for that huge fact when guaging who is "better". I would take Lin any day of the week over JR. Lets face it we are never seeing last year's JR ever again in all likelihood which is sad because he has a lot of talent. But when he's tweeting "17 threes ROFLCOPTER" after games it is just proof he will never ever learn.

JR is an inefficient chucker with zero bball IQ.

As for Lin being top 3 if he were on the Knicks now that is a fact sadly. Some combo of Melo, Lin, and Chandler would be our best three. Nobody else is really close.

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12/27/2013  2:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2013  3:26 PM
We were 6-1 under Woodson, Lin, Melo, Amare & Tyson

We weren't just winning. We were blowing teams out by 20+ including Indiana on back to back home and home games. And we blew out Dwight and the magic twice as well. Then the injuries happened. We were devastated to find out that Lin was going under the knife and then Amare and the season was derailed. I was more excited about that talented team than the run last year where after the great start it was clear we were not in Miami, Indiana and chicago class as far as offense and defensive talent goes

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12/27/2013  3:14 PM
gunsnewing wrote:We were 6-1 under Woodson, Lin, Melo, Amare & Tyson

We weren't just winning. We were blowing teams out by 20+ including Indiana on back to back home and home games. And we blew out Dwight and the magic twice as well. I was more excited about that team and run the run last year where after the great start it was clear we were not in Miami, Indiana and chicago class as far as offense and defensive talent goes

+1

I think Dolan is Illuminati. He is here to bring the city down. We had something special and he "chose" to let it walk away. I don't buy it.

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12/27/2013  3:22 PM
If you go back and watch some of the games that Lin played for us. The ball was moving, everyone was touching it. The Garden never sounded like that, ever during a regular season game that didn't involve the bulls.

Amare and Tyson looked good playing in the frontcourt, Novak, Fields, Shump, Jefferies all were getting open shots. That's what happens when your PG has a brain. He gets everyone involved, guys play harder, the run faster the make the extra pass.

Unfortunately this season when Felton has played he has been overweight, taking way to many 3's not driving then melo and smith get in the isolation, people don't move, the defense can easily adapt and we get crushed virtually every game.

It's a simple game. Move the ball, move without your fan give effort, you should never be blown out unless the team is shooting 50% from behind the arc.

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12/27/2013  4:02 PM
tkf wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Lin is so good he lost his job to Patrick Beverly. We dont have a two like Harden on the roster that opens up threes for him or takes pressure off Lin's shaky ball handling. Lin was vastly overpaid and Rockets started early looking to rid themselves of the tail of his contract. If they are able to then the return on the first legs was fair. If they get stucked then they have a sub making $15 mil. Knicks couldnt afford to take that chance given their payroll structure and the ridiculous luxury tax that would have been incurred. No laments at all

go read some rockets articles.. Lin isn't starting because he isn't good or because beverly is better... it is simply a fit.. beverly shoots the three better and the rockets want to space the floor for dwight... they have a ball handler in harden who really doesn't defend hard all the time.. beverly is also a better defender than lin...

But don't get it twisted, both guys play about the same amount of time, and this is what you miss.. on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?


that is EXACTLY what is going on over there.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/27/2013  4:05 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
tkf wrote:on the knicks.. lin would still be the best PG on the team.. so bringing up beverly serves what point here?

Ill say it again: If Lin were on this Knicks team he would be the 2nd or 3rd best player. By far. Its not close. That's the sad fact that I dont understand how anyone can deny.

He would be the 2nd best player and the fan favorite. (As when he was here.) I really think the problem somehow lies within that.
I still remember back when we didn't sign him and thought "I can't believe we just let our 2nd best player (and brains) walk. This, is the beginning of the end." And I (and many of you) was/were right.

Lin is better than Tyson? Not sure that he is better than JR if he ever gets right.

what does "better" mean in a team game? geezus

lin would be far more valuable to the knicks than ****ing jr douchebag. and lin would be every bit AS valuable as tyson if only because he would be enormously valuable TO tyson. do you understand that basketball is a team game and not five guys going one on one? well, except for the two knuckleheads smith and melo.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
We needed Jeremy Lin but got Bargnani

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