Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Bonn, chandler can't stay healthy and honestly we get rid of his salary... This team is not a winning formula.. so I envision pau coming off the books, chandler, JR smith and then the true blessing carmelo opts out... that would take over 40 mil off the books next year... then you can start the fire sale earlier..

I am all for that...

If you think Chandler can't stay healthy, you're not gonna like Gasol. Getting out of Chandler's salary doesn't change our cap situation. It will help fill Dolan's pockets with savings but I don't care about that.

come on bonn, lets not protect tyson I know you like him, but lets look at the big picture... if we can lose those deals and carmelo opts out. it gives us real options to speed up rebuilding. there is absolutely no reason to keep chandler on this team. even if all it does is save dolan money, I am fine with that, because this team team is a mess, keeping chandler doesn't make it any less of a mess. if anything it gives us options to have his deal, JR's deal and carmelo off the books..

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Bonn, chandler can't stay healthy and honestly we get rid of his salary... This team is not a winning formula.. so I envision pau coming off the books, chandler, JR smith and then the true blessing carmelo opts out... that would take over 40 mil off the books next year... then you can start the fire sale earlier..

I am all for that...

If you think Chandler can't stay healthy, you're not gonna like Gasol. Getting out of Chandler's salary doesn't change our cap situation. It will help fill Dolan's pockets with savings but I don't care about that.

come on bonn, lets not protect tyson I know you like him, but lets look at the big picture... if we can lose those deals and carmelo opts out. it gives us real options to speed up rebuilding. there is absolutely no reason to keep chandler on this team. even if all it does is save dolan money, I am fine with that, because this team team is a mess, keeping chandler doesn't make it any less of a mess. if anything it gives us options to have his deal, JR's deal and carmelo off the books..

It's not protecting Tyson. It's protecting our team's interests. I don't mind trading Chandler but you don't give up a $20 and ask for a $5 back. I'm fine with swapping him for Gasol but they've gotta give us Jordan Hill or something else to make it worthwhile. As long as we have Bargs and Amare on the books next year, we won't have cap space. If we lose Tyson and Melo opts out, it gives us no more options.

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Bonn, chandler can't stay healthy and honestly we get rid of his salary... This team is not a winning formula.. so I envision pau coming off the books, chandler, JR smith and then the true blessing carmelo opts out... that would take over 40 mil off the books next year... then you can start the fire sale earlier..

I am all for that...

If you think Chandler can't stay healthy, you're not gonna like Gasol. Getting out of Chandler's salary doesn't change our cap situation. It will help fill Dolan's pockets with savings but I don't care about that.

come on bonn, lets not protect tyson I know you like him, but lets look at the big picture... if we can lose those deals and carmelo opts out. it gives us real options to speed up rebuilding. there is absolutely no reason to keep chandler on this team. even if all it does is save dolan money, I am fine with that, because this team team is a mess, keeping chandler doesn't make it any less of a mess. if anything it gives us options to have his deal, JR's deal and carmelo off the books..

It's not protecting Tyson. It's protecting our team's interests. I don't mind trading Chandler but you don't give up a $20 and ask for a $5 back. I'm fine with swapping him for Gasol but they've gotta give us Jordan Hill or something else to make it worthwhile. As long as we have Bargs and Amare on the books next year, we won't have cap space. If we lose Tyson and Melo opts out, it gives us no more options.

nah, no jordan hill.. I don't want anything like that back. I want to clear house.. evaluate, and see where we go from there... the projected cap for next year is 62 mil. if carmelo opts out, we lose chandler and JR's deal, we will have around 44 mil on the books, we will have cap space, but we dont' have to use it.. I just want to start the blow up process early... so if I have to give chandler away, then fine... I doubt anyone is giving us back a first round pick for chandler... if so, great, but I doubt it...

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Numbers don't lie but your eyes don't either. Tyson has been here long enough to realize he is not what his rep says. Trading for gasol accelerates the plan to get under the cap.

What is the big picture? Are we groupies or are we trying to fix this mess? If they can get gasol for tyson and jr then hallelujah. Work on trading Amare too.... not for rondo but do it for Wallace and Humphries... then trade Felton for Lowry....

cap space mutha****a!!!

Plus the revamp could possibly get us into the playoffs and make noise

You don't give someone a $20 and ask for a $5. They've gotta at least take Felton and give us a pick, but I think including Jordan Hill would make it more reasonable. Taking JR's $6 mil off is not that pressing.
Pay attention the the actual results. "Skill set" and a quarter will get you a gum ball.

gotta love agreeing with the metricsbeast.

Yes, by all means lets put Pau next to Bargs. Then bring Stat in off the bench for Melo. Can you say sieve?

We can all hold hands and sing "Killing me Softly"

Have you guys seen or record? Don't tell me were losing cuz tyson is hurt

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:We back to hyping Chandler's efficiency? I like Chandler but his efficiency is common for most big men like I pointed out before. If he would have stayed highly efficient while keeping 2-4 jumpers a game with 1-3 post ups then ok, he is an offensive juggernaut.

I still agree with Bonn that is not enough for Tyson. Unless the Knicks are envisioning trading Chandler and then Amar'e and Shump this deal does not make sense. Even so the Knicks hold all the cards in my opinion.

Also, what does Gasol's shot chart look like. Has it changed with MDA?

I am looking at clearing space...gasol has an expiring deal and if we can lose JR in the process.. GREAT!!!

That's all I'm saying

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:We back to hyping Chandler's efficiency? I like Chandler but his efficiency is common for most big men like I pointed out before. If he would have stayed highly efficient while keeping 2-4 jumpers a game with 1-3 post ups then ok, he is an offensive juggernaut.

I still agree with Bonn that is not enough for Tyson. Unless the Knicks are envisioning trading Chandler and then Amar'e and Shump this deal does not make sense. Even so the Knicks hold all the cards in my opinion.

Also, what does Gasol's shot chart look like. Has it changed with MDA?

I am looking at clearing space...gasol has an expiring deal and if we can lose JR in the process.. GREAT!!!

That's all I'm saying

yea, you have to start somewhere, people are expecting picks.. that would be nice, but who is going to give us picks for chandler and JR smith, without giving us deals just as long back...

I am looking at having options...

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Numbers don't lie but your eyes don't either. Tyson has been here long enough to realize he is not what his rep says. Trading for gasol accelerates the plan to get under the cap.

What is the big picture? Are we groupies or are we trying to fix this mess? If they can get gasol for tyson and jr then hallelujah. Work on trading Amare too.... not for rondo but do it for Wallace and Humphries... then trade Felton for Lowry....

cap space mutha****a!!!

Plus the revamp could possibly get us into the playoffs and make noise

You don't give someone a $20 and ask for a $5. They've gotta at least take Felton and give us a pick, but I think including Jordan Hill would make it more reasonable. Taking JR's $6 mil off is not that pressing.
Pay attention the the actual results. "Skill set" and a quarter will get you a gum ball.

gotta love agreeing with the metricsbeast.

Yes, by all means lets put Pau next to Bargs. Then bring Stat in off the bench for Melo. Can you say sieve?

We can all hold hands and sing "Killing me Softly"

Have you guys seen or record? Don't tell me were losing cuz tyson is hurt

Have you ever wondered if you could score a layup on this team right now? Probably without even warming up? Tyson wouldn't be helping this team at all right?

Give me another thread about opposing PG's blowing through our D, please.

Last year never happened, and even if it did, Tyson had nothing to do with it. Yes, I know.

guys were still all in the lane vs us with chandler here. chandler has been less than stellar at protecting the rim.. missing chandler is not the reason why we suck man..

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

Numbers don't lie but your eyes don't either. Tyson has been here long enough to realize he is not what his rep says. Trading for gasol accelerates the plan to get under the cap.

What is the big picture? Are we groupies or are we trying to fix this mess? If they can get gasol for tyson and jr then hallelujah. Work on trading Amare too.... not for rondo but do it for Wallace and Humphries... then trade Felton for Lowry....

cap space mutha****a!!!

Plus the revamp could possibly get us into the playoffs and make noise

You don't give someone a $20 and ask for a $5. They've gotta at least take Felton and give us a pick, but I think including Jordan Hill would make it more reasonable. Taking JR's $6 mil off is not that pressing.
Pay attention the the actual results. "Skill set" and a quarter will get you a gum ball.

gotta love agreeing with the metricsbeast.

Yes, by all means lets put Pau next to Bargs. Then bring Stat in off the bench for Melo. Can you say sieve?

We can all hold hands and sing "Killing me Softly"

Have you guys seen or record? Don't tell me were losing cuz tyson is hurt

Have you ever wondered if you could score a layup on this team right now? Probably without even warming up? Tyson wouldn't be helping this team at all right?

Give me another thread about opposing PG's blowing through our D, please.

Last year never happened, and even if it did, Tyson had nothing to do with it. Yes, I know.

Tyson is not Chuck Norris

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We'd basically be trading the most efficient for the least efficient big man in the league. And it would be a downgrade in terms of defense too.
Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/shootingEfficiency/count/121

It's madness- it's a trade that doesn't even remotely benefit us in any conceivable way! It doesn't clear up cap space, there's no point in tanking because we don't have a pick, it's a talent downgrade and he plans on going to Memphis after this season, and Tyson has way better value than this dog s*** proposal.

IT MAKES NO DAMN SENSE! N O N E!

Sounds like we are trading Trading tyson for kendrick perkins straight up the way you are carrying on.

Gasol isn't a bum all of a sudden. Plus he's an expiring contact. If he doesn't come back so what the nicks need the money invested elsewhere

Gasol has been on a sharp decline for 3 or 4 years. We're still over the cap next season without Tyson- doesn't free up any worthwhile money. Tyson is valuable player- you can actually get something good for him- this trade gives you nothing back.