nixluva wrote:
In truth Woody's issues in NY in terms of the Playoffs come from his decision to move towards ISO BB. He actually allowed the team to increase it's already high % of ISO plays, which was the wrong way to go. The record shows that when this team goes heavy ISO the ball sticks, they play less efficient BB, they lose their energy on D and they lose games. Woody, Melo and JR are usually to blame for this when it happens. It's just the facts of the matter. Woody allows this to happen and Melo and JR have no problem just banging their heads against the wall trying to ISO their way to wins, but losing instead.

We keeps seeing the same theme since Melo has come here. Every time we get in this bind you read quotes from STAT, Shump and Tyson saying the ball needs to move!!! Melo usually chafes at this suggestion and Woody backs him up. This has been the dynamic and so IMO Woody is at fault when the Knicks go sideways and the ball sticks. He refuses to pull JR when he gets crazy ball hogging and he denies Ball Movement is an issue when it's clear Melo and JR are ball stopping too much. Anyone who denies this reality is in full on denial. Stats support this and our own eyes support that this is what happens.

Playoffs?

nixluva - We broke up the Celtics. That was fun. Or do you only remember things that validadte your D'Antoni Fan Club commandments? One more thing, Indiana is very good.

Playoffs?

What about Roy Hibbert abusing a weaker Tyson Chandler in the playoffs?

Jason Kidd shooting 13 per cent mean anything?

What about defense?

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Clean wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Clean wrote:I don't care about all these nice records during the regular season. A coaches true colors are shown in the playoffs. Woody has shown he lacks the ability to adjust and game plan effectively. This is the main reason for his lackluster playoff results.

In truth Woody's issues in NY in terms of the Playoffs come from his decision to move towards ISO BB. He actually allowed the team to increase it's already high % of ISO plays, which was the wrong way to go. The record shows that when this team goes heavy ISO the ball sticks, they play less efficient BB, they lose their energy on D and they lose games. Woody, Melo and JR are usually to blame for this when it happens. It's just the facts of the matter. Woody allows this to happen and Melo and JR have no problem just banging their heads against the wall trying to ISO their way to wins, but losing instead.

We keeps seeing the same theme since Melo has come here. Every time we get in this bind you read quotes from STAT, Shump and Tyson saying the ball needs to move!!! Melo usually chafes at this suggestion and Woody backs him up. This has been the dynamic and so IMO Woody is at fault when the Knicks go sideways and the ball sticks. He refuses to pull JR when he gets crazy ball hogging and he denies Ball Movement is an issue when it's clear Melo and JR are ball stopping too much. Anyone who denies this reality is in full on denial. Stats support this and our own eyes support that this is what happens.

You explained almost everything I was too lazy to write. Thanks!

Hey I really do stick to the facts, which my detractors seem to overlook when i'm posting. Every thread I start is FULL of statistical proof and direct quotes! To support my point look at how Melo was playing when the team was losing right after Linsanity and then how he was playing when the team was winning the very day MDA left.

Notice that when Melo dragged the team down leading to MDA quiting, he was taking more shots and passing less. When MDA quit that very DAY all of a sudden Melo decides to pass the ball and not take a ton of shots, which was the VERY THING MDA WAS BEGGING HIM TO DO!!! If i'm wrong someone please show otherwise.

Month	            MIN  FGM-FGA FG%  3PM-3PA	3P%  FTM-FTA	FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO  PTS
3/21 @ PHI W 82-79   34  5-15	 .333  0-2     .000  0-1      .000   5    2    0    0    4   2   10
3/20 vsTOR W 106-87  31  5-15	 .333  1-3     .333  6-8      .750   8    5    0    3    3   2   17
3/17 @ IND W 102-88  30  6-13	 .462  1-4     .250  3-7      .429   4    3    0    0    3   3   16
3/16 vsIND W 115-100 23	 4-12	 .333  0-3     .000  4-5      .800   7    5    0    2    4   0   12
3/14 vsPOR W 121-79  25  6-12	 .500  3-6     .500  1-2      .500   2    7    0    1    1   2   16
MDA
3/12 @ CHI L 99-104  39  8-21	 .381  1-3     .333  4-4     1.000   8    3    1    2    4   2   21
3/11 vsPHI L 94-106  29  5-13	 .385  1-4     .250  11-12    .917   9    3    0    0    2   1   22
3/9  @ MIL L 114-119 37  7-17	 .412  1-2     .500  7-10     .700   5    2    2    1    1   2   22
3/7  @ SA  L 105-118 38	12-24    .500  3-7     .429  0-1      .000   2    3    0    2    5   2   27
3/6  @ DAL L 85-95   31	 2-12    .167  0-3     .000  2-4      .500   8    1    0    0    1   2   6
3/4  @ BOS L 111-115 35  8-21    .381  0-1     .000  9-10     .900   7    2    0    0    4   3   25

We see the same thing happen so far this year. The last 2 wins the team was moving the ball and everyone got involved. We saw the return of the Melo/STAT PnR and the spread offense. If it was so hard to figure out, then those of us who have been pointing this out for years wouldn't be proved right over and over again. I have no problem with good ISO possessions, but you can't have the ball stop moving and selfish ball hogging and expect to have a good flow and win.

When the ball moves you force the defense to work and expose weaknesses. When you force ISO and ball hog it makes things easier for the defense. Of course you still need talent to win, but you can lose with talent if you don't share the ball. That is why I blamed Woody for the losing. The talent was there to win with, but the approach was wrong. This isn't to say this is a perfect team. It's a very flawed team, but with the right style of play you can win games. Woody must remain committed to Ball Movement and spacing and mixing it up offensively.

yeah, you are flat out wrong, it wasnt any difference in melo's play....just all team usually receive a bump in wins when they have a coaching change.

Thats all that happened, and ironically the sample you used melo had better overall stats under MDA than he did under Woody...ho figure.

But also just simply look at whom they were playing during MDA's final days...all on the road, all good teams VS under Woody mostly at home, and the teams werent as good.....just like these last two wins.

Wait until they play someone good, then make this wonderful repeater post.

You quite clearly missed all the points of my post. For one thing It wasn't about Melo's stats improving, but rather the fact that the team played better when he wasn't dominating the ball and was looking for his teammates. You and others CONTINUALLY miss the overarching point when it comes to this. Also you'd have to be blind in order to not notice the extra effort level that Melo put in after MDA left. In particular on defense. When the best player on your team picks up his effort level like that it does in fact effect the entire team, just as it was a drag on the entire team when the best player, MELO was dogging it after he came back and killed off the good vibes the team had while he was out.

Yes we all know that there's a bump when teams change coaches, but that only underscores the fact that Woody was barely a factor in the team winning like they did based on some supposed great coaching. They didn't have the time to really make wholesale changes. There were no practice days and they openly admitted that little had changed except the effort level. That is until we get to the point when Woody starts to go more with ISO and in the playoffs every time that has killed us.

I hate the argument about strength of competition. For one thing good teams will win their fair share of games against the schedule. What is most important is sticking to good BB principles and executing at a high level. That is especially the case when you don't have the leagues best talent. The coach has to be on top of his game and the players have to execute at a high level as well. The fact is that this team last year was able to beat anyone in the league when they played the game the right way and could lose to anyone when they didn't. It's no different now. They should've beaten Indiana this year and didn't finish the game with good execution. That kept happening and it's really just more evidence of what i'm pointing out and have been consistently saying for years.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Clean wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Clean wrote:I don't care about all these nice records during the regular season. A coaches true colors are shown in the playoffs. Woody has shown he lacks the ability to adjust and game plan effectively. This is the main reason for his lackluster playoff results.

In truth Woody's issues in NY in terms of the Playoffs come from his decision to move towards ISO BB. He actually allowed the team to increase it's already high % of ISO plays, which was the wrong way to go. The record shows that when this team goes heavy ISO the ball sticks, they play less efficient BB, they lose their energy on D and they lose games. Woody, Melo and JR are usually to blame for this when it happens. It's just the facts of the matter. Woody allows this to happen and Melo and JR have no problem just banging their heads against the wall trying to ISO their way to wins, but losing instead.

We keeps seeing the same theme since Melo has come here. Every time we get in this bind you read quotes from STAT, Shump and Tyson saying the ball needs to move!!! Melo usually chafes at this suggestion and Woody backs him up. This has been the dynamic and so IMO Woody is at fault when the Knicks go sideways and the ball sticks. He refuses to pull JR when he gets crazy ball hogging and he denies Ball Movement is an issue when it's clear Melo and JR are ball stopping too much. Anyone who denies this reality is in full on denial. Stats support this and our own eyes support that this is what happens.

You explained almost everything I was too lazy to write. Thanks!

Hey I really do stick to the facts, which my detractors seem to overlook when i'm posting. Every thread I start is FULL of statistical proof and direct quotes! To support my point look at how Melo was playing when the team was losing right after Linsanity and then how he was playing when the team was winning the very day MDA left.

Notice that when Melo dragged the team down leading to MDA quiting, he was taking more shots and passing less. When MDA quit that very DAY all of a sudden Melo decides to pass the ball and not take a ton of shots, which was the VERY THING MDA WAS BEGGING HIM TO DO!!! If i'm wrong someone please show otherwise.

Month	            MIN  FGM-FGA FG%  3PM-3PA	3P%  FTM-FTA	FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO  PTS
3/21 @ PHI W 82-79   34  5-15	 .333  0-2     .000  0-1      .000   5    2    0    0    4   2   10
3/20 vsTOR W 106-87  31  5-15	 .333  1-3     .333  6-8      .750   8    5    0    3    3   2   17
3/17 @ IND W 102-88  30  6-13	 .462  1-4     .250  3-7      .429   4    3    0    0    3   3   16
3/16 vsIND W 115-100 23	 4-12	 .333  0-3     .000  4-5      .800   7    5    0    2    4   0   12
3/14 vsPOR W 121-79  25  6-12	 .500  3-6     .500  1-2      .500   2    7    0    1    1   2   16
MDA
3/12 @ CHI L 99-104  39  8-21	 .381  1-3     .333  4-4     1.000   8    3    1    2    4   2   21
3/11 vsPHI L 94-106  29  5-13	 .385  1-4     .250  11-12    .917   9    3    0    0    2   1   22
3/9  @ MIL L 114-119 37  7-17	 .412  1-2     .500  7-10     .700   5    2    2    1    1   2   22
3/7  @ SA  L 105-118 38	12-24    .500  3-7     .429  0-1      .000   2    3    0    2    5   2   27
3/6  @ DAL L 85-95   31	 2-12    .167  0-3     .000  2-4      .500   8    1    0    0    1   2   6
3/4  @ BOS L 111-115 35  8-21    .381  0-1     .000  9-10     .900   7    2    0    0    4   3   25

We see the same thing happen so far this year. The last 2 wins the team was moving the ball and everyone got involved. We saw the return of the Melo/STAT PnR and the spread offense. If it was so hard to figure out, then those of us who have been pointing this out for years wouldn't be proved right over and over again. I have no problem with good ISO possessions, but you can't have the ball stop moving and selfish ball hogging and expect to have a good flow and win.

When the ball moves you force the defense to work and expose weaknesses. When you force ISO and ball hog it makes things easier for the defense. Of course you still need talent to win, but you can lose with talent if you don't share the ball. That is why I blamed Woody for the losing. The talent was there to win with, but the approach was wrong. This isn't to say this is a perfect team. It's a very flawed team, but with the right style of play you can win games. Woody must remain committed to Ball Movement and spacing and mixing it up offensively.

yeah, you are flat out wrong, it wasnt any difference in melo's play....just all team usually receive a bump in wins when they have a coaching change.

Thats all that happened, and ironically the sample you used melo had better overall stats under MDA than he did under Woody...ho figure.

But also just simply look at whom they were playing during MDA's final days...all on the road, all good teams VS under Woody mostly at home, and the teams werent as good.....just like these last two wins.

Wait until they play someone good, then make this wonderful repeater post.

You quite clearly missed all the points of my post. For one thing It wasn't about Melo's stats improving, but rather the fact that the team played better when he wasn't dominating the ball and was looking for his teammates. You and others CONTINUALLY miss the overarching point when it comes to this. Also you'd have to be blind in order to not notice the extra effort level that Melo put in after MDA left. In particular on defense. When the best player on your team picks up his effort level like that it does in fact effect the entire team, just as it was a drag on the entire team when the best player, MELO was dogging it after he came back and killed off the good vibes the team had while he was out.

Yes we all know that there's a bump when teams change coaches, but that only underscores the fact that Woody was barely a factor in the team winning like they did based on some supposed great coaching. They didn't have the time to really make wholesale changes. There were no practice days and they openly admitted that little had changed except the effort level. That is until we get to the point when Woody starts to go more with ISO and in the playoffs every time that has killed us.

I hate the argument about strength of competition. For one thing good teams will win their fair share of games against the schedule. What is most important is sticking to good BB principles and executing at a high level. That is especially the case when you don't have the leagues best talent. The coach has to be on top of his game and the players have to execute at a high level as well. The fact is that this team last year was able to beat anyone in the league when they played the game the right way and could lose to anyone when they didn't. It's no different now. They should've beaten Indiana this year and didn't finish the game with good execution. That kept happening and it's really just more evidence of what i'm pointing out and have been consistently saying for years.

The lakers went 4-9 when they changed coaches. Where was the 'bump',

there's your "bump".

playa2 wrote:

playa2 wrote:It's bad coaching and I'll tell you why.

The coach is the one who controls the players minutes, so if he's not playing the way the coach wants them to, he could play another who would to send a message.

Many a game where players who didn't hustle or play the right way stayed in games, but Woody kept them in the games where teams were embarrassing us.

He allowed job security to take precedence over team performance.

Woody last year relied on veterans(Who won titles) to keep other players accountable and it worked.

The Knicks are who we thought they were, some players are showing signs of growth now, because losing is embarrassing not just to the player , but also to their family and friends too.

Sit guys who aren't ready early on and the games are played different.

Dude just stands there and watches. He's so slow to respond. Young dudes like Vogel and Stevens show a heck of a lot more coaching ability than Woody.

ApophisADL wrote:Woodson has Melo and scrubs.

#1 problem is our guard play.

Felton sucked in Denver
Felton sucked in Portland
Felton sucks 50% of the time here

Portland got Lillard and now are playing great.

PG who cant make plays combined with a SG who cant shoot.

Woodson is not our main problem now. Knicks are missing Kidds playmaking BADLY.

Chandler isnt behind them anymore to deter penetration.

Felton and Prigioni would be overwhelmed on defense and you know it.

Or do you?

ApophisADL knows. (He also knows that your claims that this is the same team as last season WITH CHANDLER INJURED are bogus.)

playa2 wrote:You guys are giving Woody way too much credit. The players don't fear him if they don't listen to him and that's the problem !

>>> oups, can't I embed a tweet?

Too bad because this one is priceless!!!

misterearl wrote:Reasons

Knickscity - Avery Bradley may be the best defensive guard in the NBA. There is a reason the Knicks were 1-19 between Bargnani, Shumoert and Felton.

But nobody, including nixluva, wants to talk about defense

knickscity wrote:

misterearl wrote:nixluva - what about defense?

Felton and Prigioni would be overwhelmed on defense and you know it.

Or do you?

ApophisADL knows. (He also knows that your claims that this is the same team as last season WITH CHANDLER INJURED are bogus.)

Nobody wants to talk about the defense, I've given up asking.

They hit 14 threes and rocked us for 42 points in the paint and got 22 fast break points.

Ball movement dont prevent this, neither does benching everybody.

They all played like trash, the starters were merely worse.

Hasn't our constant switching been a topic of conversation for the last two years now at least?