Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:lets beg denver to take carmelo back for gallo, chandler, moz and our 2014 pick... forget all the other picks, just this years pick..

and lets watch how quick they hang up the phone on us..

Tells you all you need to know how stupid this trade was...

Only because they know that would get messy. If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second. We would be crazy to take long term contracts of that value for role players. A majority of people as well as the team still makes that trade over again without hesitation. Only those who don't like Melo personally don't.

no!!! walsh didn't want to make the trade.. people with a basketball brain understand you don't make this trade....

If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second.

what the heck does that mean?

Listen, the trade was horrible.... only the knicks make trades like this, the same way they traded picks to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. tell me, who the hell trades picks to get a 40 year old player? then the bargnani trade.... I will say this.. all of those trades i doubt any other team in the history of the NBA would make.. especially the god awful carmelo trade..LOL

Walsh was posturing and trying to make this trade the entire season that year. He paused when Ujiri wanted Moz and Dolan pushed it through.

Walsh stood his ground, I seriously doubt he makes the deal, and seeing how things play out we might have ended up with fat, bad ankle and a well documented coach killer in deron williams.

If anyone thinks this team is bad now imagine bad knees and bad ankles being your 100 mil players.

Who was the first pick in 2012? Dont matter, Walsh traded that away to Houston....lol.

Walsh got hosed in every deal he made as the Knick gm. Why wouldn't Denver expect the same treatment. The word at the time about DWill was that King had connections with the Jazz and got the inside track on that deal.

I've read that, and I'm personally glad he had that inside track.

I definitely agree on Walsh, dude was terrible......like comparing a mass murderer to a wife beater.

lol, you can tell a complete implosion is near, now the fans are blaming walsh.... more detraction from the truth..

walsh made crappy rushed trades that sucked. he didn't score us draft picks for jamal or randolph.

at that time, those guys value were not high at all. he moved them to get in position to go after lebron, and that is understandable. .if you really think we could have gotten picks at that time for those guys who were basically core pieces of a mess here in NY, then maybe you should apply for the job.. I heard it pays very well...

Teams don't operate like the knicks.. in the NBA draft picks are overvalued.. which is why teams move picks reluctantly... would you have given any picks for either of those guys back then?

JamesKPolk wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:lets beg denver to take carmelo back for gallo, chandler, moz and our 2014 pick... forget all the other picks, just this years pick..

and lets watch how quick they hang up the phone on us..

Tells you all you need to know how stupid this trade was...

Only because they know that would get messy. If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second. We would be crazy to take long term contracts of that value for role players. A majority of people as well as the team still makes that trade over again without hesitation. Only those who don't like Melo personally don't.

no!!! walsh didn't want to make the trade.. people with a basketball brain understand you don't make this trade....

If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second.

what the heck does that mean?

Listen, the trade was horrible.... only the knicks make trades like this, the same way they traded picks to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. tell me, who the hell trades picks to get a 40 year old player? then the bargnani trade.... I will say this.. all of those trades i doubt any other team in the history of the NBA would make.. especially the god awful carmelo trade..LOL

Walsh was posturing and trying to make this trade the entire season that year. He paused when Ujiri wanted Moz and Dolan pushed it through.

Walsh stood his ground, I seriously doubt he makes the deal, and seeing how things play out we might have ended up with fat, bad ankle and a well documented coach killer in deron williams.

If anyone thinks this team is bad now imagine bad knees and bad ankles being your 100 mil players.

Who was the first pick in 2012? Dont matter, Walsh traded that away to Houston....lol.

Walsh got hosed in every deal he made as the Knick gm. Why wouldn't Denver expect the same treatment. The word at the time about DWill was that King had connections with the Jazz and got the inside track on that deal.

I've read that, and I'm personally glad he had that inside track.

I definitely agree on Walsh, dude was terrible......like comparing a mass murderer to a wife beater.

lol, you can tell a complete implosion is near, now the fans are blaming walsh.... more detraction from the truth..

walsh made crappy rushed trades that sucked. he didn't score us draft picks for jamal or randolph.

You were never getting draft picks for those players.

Were people in a coma during the Isiah era? Nobody was trading picks for our garbage.

Those players were traded literally one year later for garbage and no picks. Randolph went to Memphis for Quentin Richardson and Crawford got traded for what amounted to an injured Speedy Claxton, who retired.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:lets beg denver to take carmelo back for gallo, chandler, moz and our 2014 pick... forget all the other picks, just this years pick..

and lets watch how quick they hang up the phone on us..

Tells you all you need to know how stupid this trade was...

Only because they know that would get messy. If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second. We would be crazy to take long term contracts of that value for role players. A majority of people as well as the team still makes that trade over again without hesitation. Only those who don't like Melo personally don't.

no!!! walsh didn't want to make the trade.. people with a basketball brain understand you don't make this trade....

If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second.

what the heck does that mean?

Listen, the trade was horrible.... only the knicks make trades like this, the same way they traded picks to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. tell me, who the hell trades picks to get a 40 year old player? then the bargnani trade.... I will say this.. all of those trades i doubt any other team in the history of the NBA would make.. especially the god awful carmelo trade..LOL

Papabear Says

TKF you opinion about the Melo trade should be null and void. You personally have a hate for Melo and everyone here knows it so why are you trying to be rational about this trade. Anything regarding Melo you should recluse yourself because you can't really give an honest opinion. We know who and what you are.

My personal dislike is also backed up with facts... The trade sucks, it drained us of assets.. fact, we are not a contender, fact...we are in a tough position because of the trade.. FACT..

That is true if I liked carmelo or hated him...

The Knicks have made the playoffs every season melo has been in ny. They won the Atlantic and had the second seed in the east. Nine games in and the season is over? Tyson is out, jr is rusty and coming back from Ian injury, felton isn't right etc. last time I checked playoff seedlings weren't set in mid November.

is that why we gutted our team? to just make the playoffs, we were headed there without the trade.... and right now we are on a decline..

not good at all..

This has been discussed in detail. There was no indication we were a playoff team before Melo, especially considering amare and his declining health. You severly overrate that team. They were a .500 team with amare at an MVP level. None of those players have improved, amare has decline, yet you think that was a team capable of the same success as last years team lol. That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

they were 28-26 with amare before the trade, do the math, that is above .500

after the trade that year we went 14-14 with carmelo.. that is a .500 team

That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

rofl.. sure, because we all know this team now, is just full of hope.... after carmelo opts out and Denver gets out lottery pick, I will make sure we revisit this post..

28-26, essentially .500 basketball with MVP level amare. How does that team do today with amare?

no that is above.500 ball.. 14-14 is exactly .500 ball

And why would I care about this team and amare today.. maybe we amnesty amare? maybe we have CP3, or Dwight, I mean we had a ton of options had we not made that silly deal... you are assuming we do nothing, other than making the carmelo trade, this is where you go so wrong with your thinking!!

If you are going to make that big of a deal about 2 extra wins, fine, but reality is being just over .500 with mvp amare is not good consider how each of the players on that team are now.

dude gallo was one of the best players on a very good nuggets team.. so was chandler..

mozgov right now would be the best center on the knicks.... best all around center....at worst he would playing at a level close to chandler and for a lot less..

you keep acting like the guys are playing horrible like shumpert.. I'm sorry, but you fail here... the knicks would be damn lucky to have all of those guys back right now.... including picks and caps space.. hell I would even take fat azz curry back as well.. LOL

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:lets beg denver to take carmelo back for gallo, chandler, moz and our 2014 pick... forget all the other picks, just this years pick..

and lets watch how quick they hang up the phone on us..

Tells you all you need to know how stupid this trade was...

Only because they know that would get messy. If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second. We would be crazy to take long term contracts of that value for role players. A majority of people as well as the team still makes that trade over again without hesitation. Only those who don't like Melo personally don't.

no!!! walsh didn't want to make the trade.. people with a basketball brain understand you don't make this trade....

If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second.

what the heck does that mean?

Listen, the trade was horrible.... only the knicks make trades like this, the same way they traded picks to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. tell me, who the hell trades picks to get a 40 year old player? then the bargnani trade.... I will say this.. all of those trades i doubt any other team in the history of the NBA would make.. especially the god awful carmelo trade..LOL

Papabear Says

TKF you opinion about the Melo trade should be null and void. You personally have a hate for Melo and everyone here knows it so why are you trying to be rational about this trade. Anything regarding Melo you should recluse yourself because you can't really give an honest opinion. We know who and what you are.

My personal dislike is also backed up with facts... The trade sucks, it drained us of assets.. fact, we are not a contender, fact...we are in a tough position because of the trade.. FACT..

That is true if I liked carmelo or hated him...

The Knicks have made the playoffs every season melo has been in ny. They won the Atlantic and had the second seed in the east. Nine games in and the season is over? Tyson is out, jr is rusty and coming back from Ian injury, felton isn't right etc. last time I checked playoff seedlings weren't set in mid November.

is that why we gutted our team? to just make the playoffs, we were headed there without the trade.... and right now we are on a decline..

not good at all..

This has been discussed in detail. There was no indication we were a playoff team before Melo, especially considering amare and his declining health. You severly overrate that team. They were a .500 team with amare at an MVP level. None of those players have improved, amare has decline, yet you think that was a team capable of the same success as last years team lol. That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

they were 28-26 with amare before the trade, do the math, that is above .500

after the trade that year we went 14-14 with carmelo.. that is a .500 team

That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

rofl.. sure, because we all know this team now, is just full of hope.... after carmelo opts out and Denver gets out lottery pick, I will make sure we revisit this post..

28-26, essentially .500 basketball with MVP level amare. How does that team do today with amare?

no that is above.500 ball.. 14-14 is exactly .500 ball

And why would I care about this team and amare today.. maybe we amnesty amare? maybe we have CP3, or Dwight, I mean we had a ton of options had we not made that silly deal... you are assuming we do nothing, other than making the carmelo trade, this is where you go so wrong with your thinking!!

If you are going to make that big of a deal about 2 extra wins, fine, but reality is being just over .500 with mvp amare is not good consider how each of the players on that team are now.

dude gallo was one of the best players on a very good nuggets team.. so was chandler..

mozgov right now would be the best center on the knicks.... best all around center....at worst he would playing at a level close to chandler and for a lot less..

you keep acting like the guys are playing horrible like shumpert.. I'm sorry, but you fail here... the knicks would be damn lucky to have all of those guys back right now.... including picks and caps space.. hell I would even take fat azz curry back as well.. LOL

Don't say i fail then call Moz the best center on the knick all around right now lol.

moz would be a much better option than softnani and would eat into chandlers minutes.. book that..

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:lets beg denver to take carmelo back for gallo, chandler, moz and our 2014 pick... forget all the other picks, just this years pick..

and lets watch how quick they hang up the phone on us..

Tells you all you need to know how stupid this trade was...

Only because they know that would get messy. If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second. We would be crazy to take long term contracts of that value for role players. A majority of people as well as the team still makes that trade over again without hesitation. Only those who don't like Melo personally don't.

no!!! walsh didn't want to make the trade.. people with a basketball brain understand you don't make this trade....

If it was Melos equivalent they accept that deal in a second.

what the heck does that mean?

Listen, the trade was horrible.... only the knicks make trades like this, the same way they traded picks to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. tell me, who the hell trades picks to get a 40 year old player? then the bargnani trade.... I will say this.. all of those trades i doubt any other team in the history of the NBA would make.. especially the god awful carmelo trade..LOL

Papabear Says

TKF you opinion about the Melo trade should be null and void. You personally have a hate for Melo and everyone here knows it so why are you trying to be rational about this trade. Anything regarding Melo you should recluse yourself because you can't really give an honest opinion. We know who and what you are.

My personal dislike is also backed up with facts... The trade sucks, it drained us of assets.. fact, we are not a contender, fact...we are in a tough position because of the trade.. FACT..

That is true if I liked carmelo or hated him...

The Knicks have made the playoffs every season melo has been in ny. They won the Atlantic and had the second seed in the east. Nine games in and the season is over? Tyson is out, jr is rusty and coming back from Ian injury, felton isn't right etc. last time I checked playoff seedlings weren't set in mid November.

is that why we gutted our team? to just make the playoffs, we were headed there without the trade.... and right now we are on a decline..

not good at all..

This has been discussed in detail. There was no indication we were a playoff team before Melo, especially considering amare and his declining health. You severly overrate that team. They were a .500 team with amare at an MVP level. None of those players have improved, amare has decline, yet you think that was a team capable of the same success as last years team lol. That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

they were 28-26 with amare before the trade, do the math, that is above .500

after the trade that year we went 14-14 with carmelo.. that is a .500 team

That was fun team but seeing the players 3 years later I know there was no hope.

rofl.. sure, because we all know this team now, is just full of hope.... after carmelo opts out and Denver gets out lottery pick, I will make sure we revisit this post..

28-26, essentially .500 basketball with MVP level amare. How does that team do today with amare?

no that is above.500 ball.. 14-14 is exactly .500 ball

And why would I care about this team and amare today.. maybe we amnesty amare? maybe we have CP3, or Dwight, I mean we had a ton of options had we not made that silly deal... you are assuming we do nothing, other than making the carmelo trade, this is where you go so wrong with your thinking!!

If you are going to make that big of a deal about 2 extra wins, fine, but reality is being just over .500 with mvp amare is not good consider how each of the players on that team are now.

dude gallo was one of the best players on a very good nuggets team.. so was chandler..

mozgov right now would be the best center on the knicks.... best all around center....at worst he would playing at a level close to chandler and for a lot less..

you keep acting like the guys are playing horrible like shumpert.. I'm sorry, but you fail here... the knicks would be damn lucky to have all of those guys back right now.... including picks and caps space.. hell I would even take fat azz curry back as well.. LOL

Don't say i fail then call Moz the best center on the knick all around right now lol.

moz would be a much better option than softnani and would eat into chandlers minutes.. book that..

I disagree but you didn't say that you said he would be the best center on the Knicks. Far from it. Also, Gallo up to this point has been very injury prone and recently Chandler has missed a lot of games. Where would a core built around Amare and Gallo be right now?

well lets look no further than the nuggets.. they have a better record than 3-6, so it looks like they certainly would not be worse than we are right now...