Bonn1997 wrote:He's off to a slow start. Look at his career #s.
And you could turn the question around. Shumpert is average 9.5 points and 4.7 rbs. Surely there are other guys out there who can do that.
I'm still only luke warm on this trade. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic.

Faried's numbers will dip this year on Denver, and may plummet if a Knick. He gained much of that momentum for those points and rebounds off a D'Antoni-esque run and gun system that didn't slow down. He's super in shape and athletic so just wore other guys out. In NY, the tempo is Woody-slow whether that's the game plan going in or not, and the guys with reach and position around the basket will gobble up the boards. Unless this team is planning to change the structure and tempo of their plays on both sides of the ball, this won't bode well for the Knicks or Faried.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:why you guys keeping talking about giving a draft picks, If we don't give them away, we draft players and trade them away..Lee, Gallo, nate, douglas, hill, Will chandler, ariza, and those are just the few i can think of off the top of my head.

some of you guys look at draft picks as the high to heaven, but it's more like the fast lane to mediocre..The knicks will never be bad enough to have a shot at a top 5 pick..

Not to mention you can always buy draft picks. They are way overrated here.

You won't be saying that when we miss the playoffs this year and Denver gets our lottery pick in a loaded draft

gunsnewing wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:why you guys keeping talking about giving a draft picks, If we don't give them away, we draft players and trade them away..Lee, Gallo, nate, douglas, hill, Will chandler, ariza, and those are just the few i can think of off the top of my head.

some of you guys look at draft picks as the high to heaven, but it's more like the fast lane to mediocre..The knicks will never be bad enough to have a shot at a top 5 pick..

Not to mention you can always buy draft picks. They are way overrated here.

You won't be saying that when we miss the playoffs this year and Denver gets our lottery pick

fishmike wrote:I hope this happens. Not for all the right reasons but hear me out

Faried can really develop into a Rodman type player here. There is a huge need for what he brings and he will get a ton of minutes because he brings things nobody else on the roster does. If he doesnt start he will get 30 minutes a game and I predict with those minutes he will average 10ppg on 55% shooting and 15 rebounds. He's not a shot blocker but he's a shot challenger, and he gets a lot of blocks in traffic when guys are trying putbacks etc... High energy guy, he's young and he plays full speed.

The wrong reason is simply JR Smith. Woody and MSG are commited to him. Everyone on this board knows Shump should be the starting SG and we should be calling plays for him and developing him. Knicks dont do that and clearly have no intention to do so, so might as well trade him for someone who will grow here.

bingo

knicks1248 wrote:why you guys keeping talking about giving a draft picks, If we don't give them away, we draft players and trade them away..Lee, Gallo, nate, douglas, hill, Will chandler, ariza, and those are just the few i can think of off the top of my head.

some of you guys look at draft picks as the high to heaven, but it's more like the fast lane to mediocre..The knicks will never be bad enough to have a shot at a top 5 pick..

This is utter BS and I have to call you out on it. Very rarely does a team just build without the draft and become something close to a contender. The draft is the birthplace of almost every chip team throughout basketball history and a team will never be bought to win a title. Good teams with long standing pedigrees draft smart, keep their picks, and groom them into team guys or superstars. Either way, it is the most important part of the game and it is a monstrosity that you would say otherwise. The proof is in the teams that are riding high right now and last year, Miami, San Antonio, Golden State, OKC, Indiana, Memphis. Sure LAC and NY have bought their stars and players, but that doesn't equal a winning team. If Shump goes, it's just going to spread the cancer even further.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:So you mean to tell me their isnt a high energy hustle guy out there who can do what faried is doing?
8 pts, 8 rebounds in 24 mins?
COle aldrich got 7 rbs in 7 mins the other day...........
Now cole aldrich is no faried, not on his best day, but we'd still have shumpert

He's off to a slow start. Look at his career #s.
And you could turn the question around. Shumpert is average 9.5 points and 4.7 rbs. Surely there are other guys out there who can do that.
I'm still only luke warm on this trade. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic.

Speaking of which someone posted this on realgm...

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:So you mean to tell me their isnt a high energy hustle guy out there who can do what faried is doing?
8 pts, 8 rebounds in 24 mins?
COle aldrich got 7 rbs in 7 mins the other day...........
Now cole aldrich is no faried, not on his best day, but we'd still have shumpert

He's off to a slow start. Look at his career #s.
And you could turn the question around. Shumpert is average 9.5 points and 4.7 rbs. Surely there are other guys out there who can do that.
I'm still only luke warm on this trade. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic.

Speaking of which someone posted this on realgm...

Awesome

JohnStarksFan wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:why you guys keeping talking about giving a draft picks, If we don't give them away, we draft players and trade them away..Lee, Gallo, nate, douglas, hill, Will chandler, ariza, and those are just the few i can think of off the top of my head.

some of you guys look at draft picks as the high to heaven, but it's more like the fast lane to mediocre..The knicks will never be bad enough to have a shot at a top 5 pick..

This is utter BS and I have to call you out on it. Very rarely does a team just build without the draft and become something close to a contender. The draft is the birthplace of almost every chip team throughout basketball history and a team will never be bought to win a title. Good teams with long standing pedigrees draft smart, keep their picks, and groom them into team guys or superstars. Either way, it is the most important part of the game and it is a monstrosity that you would say otherwise. The proof is in the teams that are riding high right now and last year, Miami, San Antonio, Golden State, OKC, Indiana, Memphis. Sure LAC and NY have bought their stars and players, but that doesn't equal a winning team. If Shump goes, it's just going to spread the cancer even further.

I agree with some what your saying, but that doesn't apply in these parts..we tried that with Ewing and for 14 yrs we were an elite team, but no rings...Not in NY..you know as long as dolan is in charge will be drinking instant coffee, he's not brewing shtt, no time to wait for that.

When you put that in perspective, you can only hope that they use there picks and young talent to get quality back.