tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

MS wrote:Granted he would have been highly overpaid next seasons, it's interesting for all the spin our joke of a front office put on it, that they signed Novak to a bad deal and compounded it making the trade with the Raptors giving up a draft selection and bringing in a guy for close to the same salary they said they weren't willing to pay.

We still don't have a guy that attacks and gets folks easy shots. Would have been nice to see Lin and Felton man the point together and hold onto our picks. Because Shump and Hardaway were late selections and look to be nice pieces for this team.

I thought a lin/shumpert backcourt was a good fit... both pretty big guards, athletic, attacked the rim... heck you could even throw in THJ in that mix... lin in that dantoni offense got novak a lot of shots, I could see the same thing with THJ..

Just another bad move in a series of bad moves by this franchise.. It has taken its toll on me as a fan for sure..

its even tougher for Knick fans

HOW Would you know?.. you are a flip flopper..

Its not flip flopping, its just called observing. You know... like with you eyes. Open.

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Would have accepted that if the Woody and Dolan did not say that would match up to a billion dollars. Plus, we were not in the same boat as Chicago. It would not have mattered for the length of the contract. We were capped anyways.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Martin when you look at the money MSG spent to renovate whatever the luxury hit was going to be wouldnt matter. He's such a popular player, he was good, he was talented and he filled an immediate need and that need continues to go unaddressed.

I dont think it was Melo, that just doesnt make sense. But someone's pride was stung, but this move has clearly hurt the Knicks moving forward.

Tyson sprained his knee and that could linger for months. We are a Melo shoulder injury away from being the worst team in the league and we have no draft pick in an incredible draft. The sky may not be falling yet but damn if the clouds arent gathering

What is making sense about MSG circus?
Melo was on Olympicks team and he knows how he looks when attension is shifted away.
He became usefull role player. He will do whatever it takes to avoid even a possibility of this to happened.
And Dolan need things to go his way not the way fans and media wont.
If fans like some player he is automatically a gonner.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

MS wrote:Granted he would have been highly overpaid next seasons, it's interesting for all the spin our joke of a front office put on it, that they signed Novak to a bad deal and compounded it making the trade with the Raptors giving up a draft selection and bringing in a guy for close to the same salary they said they weren't willing to pay.

We still don't have a guy that attacks and gets folks easy shots. Would have been nice to see Lin and Felton man the point together and hold onto our picks. Because Shump and Hardaway were late selections and look to be nice pieces for this team.

I thought a lin/shumpert backcourt was a good fit... both pretty big guards, athletic, attacked the rim... heck you could even throw in THJ in that mix... lin in that dantoni offense got novak a lot of shots, I could see the same thing with THJ..

Just another bad move in a series of bad moves by this franchise.. It has taken its toll on me as a fan for sure..

its even tougher for Knick fans

HOW Would you know?.. you are a flip flopper..

ahh... so now I get it. Funny. Admitting a player has played well when he has is flip flopping.

Its not flip flopping, its just called observing. You know... like with you eyes. Open.

no, you flip flop.. negative nancy during the off season.. as the season draws closer your emotions get caught up with hope and you start wavering...

Look, you started taking jabs at me.... I am just throwing shade back.. if you don't like it.. stop... you are not going to convince me or change my mind when it comes to this dude... simple and plain.

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Would have accepted that if the Woody and Dolan did not say that would match up to a billion dollars. Plus, we were not in the same boat as Chicago. It would not have mattered for the length of the contract. We were capped anyways.

I don't understand what you are saying, re Chicago.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Would have accepted that if the Woody and Dolan did not say that would match up to a billion dollars. Plus, we were not in the same boat as Chicago. It would not have mattered for the length of the contract. We were capped anyways.

I don't understand what you are saying, re Chicago.

Chicago had their own Lin situation that Summer with Asik.

NYKBocker wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Would have accepted that if the Woody and Dolan did not say that would match up to a billion dollars. Plus, we were not in the same boat as Chicago. It would not have mattered for the length of the contract. We were capped anyways.

I don't understand what you are saying, re Chicago.

Chicago had their own Lin situation that Summer with Asik.

Yup. Plus Morey has been on record that he thought he poison pill was only going to work with Chicago. He actually thought we would match and it was just a long shot.

I brought up the Chicago Asik example as another organization that thought the poison pill would be too much.

So.... you are agreeing with me? Why did you say that we are not in the same boat as Chicago? Same over the cap (even more so, so the luxury tax would be WAAAAYYY more), same poison pill.

NYKBocker wrote:Any chance Knicks trade for Lin? Felton would be a good fit with Harden. He can backup Beverly. Maybe send Felton and Bargs for Asik and Lin. Bargs would look nice alongside Dwight.

would Houston do it?

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MS wrote:The interesting aspect of his ball domination was Chandler becoming more involved scoring the ball, novak hitting open threes, fields getting easy transition buckets, Jefferies getting layups he couldn't miss and shumpert getting dunks.

If guys run and their was motion everyone was going to get the ball. Uptempo ball was fun and got everyone invovled.

If Melo bought in he would still have gotten about 15-18 shots a game. But, Melo want 20 shots, which is the problem.

doug collins made an observation opening night that the paradigm for success is to have three players who are all playmakers. the problem with stoudemire and anthony and bargnani is that none of them are playmakers and so having a guy who is good at getting others involved like lin does is a waste. we saw that first hand when he was here and next thing you know he and his "ridiculous contract" were out of here.

I think Lin would have been matched if it weren't for the poison pill, same as Asik for Chicago. I thought his contract was ridiculous, you didn't? You thought Lin was out cause of Melo?

Lots of teams sign, don't sign, match or dont for financial reason. Just look at Harden too.

Would have accepted that if the Woody and Dolan did not say that would match up to a billion dollars. Plus, we were not in the same boat as Chicago. It would not have mattered for the length of the contract. We were capped anyways.

I don't understand what you are saying, re Chicago.

Chicago had their own Lin situation that Summer with Asik.

Yup. Plus Morey has been on record that he thought he poison pill was only going to work with Chicago. He actually thought we would match and it was just a long shot.

I brought up the Chicago Asik example as another organization that thought the poison pill would be too much.

So.... you are agreeing with me? Why did you say that we are not in the same boat as Chicago? Same over the cap (even more so, so the luxury tax would be WAAAAYYY more), same poison pill.

Contract was ridiculous to Chicago but not to us. It would have affected their cap situation dramatically. It would not have affected our cap situation at all.