martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:
Those who feel Melo is not a closer must have started watching the Knicks yesterday. Even that shot looked great leaving his hand, looked right on the money, and just didn't go in. But that doesn't take away all the game winning shots he has made before. He is one of the most respected closers in the game, along with kobe.

Oh...insults again. Read the thread someone used that one already.

Joe, you thought that was an insult response? I thought it was thoughtful. Did I read you wrong?

Twice in this thread. Called holfresh on the same thing. Melo may have been a closer in Denver but his game has been totally different since he got here. He has tried to turn himself into a jump shooter. He isn't. People want to view this as hate? Fine. The want to view it as not knowing the game? Fine. Throw around the insults and **** but I am personally worried. I was a big fan of his game in Denver. He played bully ball on offense. I loved it.

One of the most devestating, versatile, explosive offensive forces in the league has turned himself into a more skilled version of Steve Novak and it's ok. It's ok we haven't seen Melo post up in 3 years. It's ok because on a team who needs post offense because it is a 3 pointer and jump shooting team, take what is arguably the best post player at his position if not in the league and turn him into a jump shooter. It's ok to let our most skilled player and possibly the most skilled and versatile player on offense in the league and turn him into a one dimensional offensive presence.

Tell you what, people want to think say "oh whoever must have started watching basketball yesterday" I submit people who believe Melo is the same player he was in Denver must not have known WHAT they were watching in their long storied history of watching this game.

I think you are overreacting.

Please show me difference in Melo Den and Melo NY: http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Carmelo%20Anthony

Did you read your link? You proved my point. He takes anywhere from 2-4 shots less at the rim and is taking 2-3 more 3's. In 2 games this season so far he is taking almost triple the threes he took in any of the four previous seasons in Denver before coming to NY. From 3 feet to 23 feet has remained consistent.

Um...thanks?

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

GENERAL population on the knicks forums for which a good portion of the posters tend to have a homeristic view.. ok, so what is your point?

Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused.

neither do I, which is why I don't want to pay him the max... so whats the problem?

I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used.

Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA.

so could I, if I had lebron, wade, durant, kobe.. etc..

Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

rsoe is better creating for himself.. lebron for others.. not sure who would argue that except you. He and lebron would be nasty.. but rose really doesn't want to play with lebron, he wants to beat him.. I love that mentality...

lets deal in reality, lebron isn't coming here, and we should not pay carmelo anything near a max. That is where I stand..

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

ok, I give up.... really no way I am going to respond to that.. I am going to take some time off from this crazy "ish".. I understand this is your opinion, but jeeezus christ... I will just respect your opinion... as hard as it is right now to do...

Some of the things I read on here are just epic... and not in a good way..

Don't have time to argue this... really don't..

later fellas.... LOL..

smackeddog wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

This is pretty much where I'm at. He's a good basketball player with flaws- the way some go on about him you'd think he regularly sleepers with their wives.

Heard the hate all before when Ewing was a Knick- venom that he couldn't hit game winners, hate that he was selfish with the ball. Oooh! He hasn't won a championship, he's a bum, we're better off without him etc etc.

If you hate a basketball player (who lets be honest may as well be characters in a tv show) as much as some folk on here, it really is time to take a step back and get some perspective. I don't get how you can enjoy the season with such a hyper critical stance.

I agree. Ewing got the same treatment. I think it comes with the territory of playing for the Knicks, you will be hated by many people no matter what, beyond your basketball abilities. But gotta just enjoy the team (it's a better team than it has been in 10+ years) or not be a fan at all.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Andrew wrote:In terms of recent clutch performance, Melo is not there.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1558686-the-25-most-statically-clutch-players-of-the-2012-13-nba-season

Depends on how you read the stats lol The link posted earlier in this thread by 82games ranking clutch shots last season says otherwise. From what I've seen, Melo has made plenty of clutch shots for the Knicks and Nuggets. Maybe his blood has turned to Kool Aid and he's lost it? I don't know, but it's hard to make that call after the second game of the season.

I'm not making the call after the 2nd game of the season. I am making the call after almost 3 years of the same stuff.