dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You can win a championship with melo if you have the right pg. Melo is the best scorer in the nba so he wont be a 2nd option on no team. A pg like rondo who will do the trick. He has the personality and is definitely a floor general. Theres a short list of pg's in this league that can play with melo..cp3,rondo, kyrie

He is not the best scorer in the league he is the best volume shooter in the league.

Does that mean Tyson Chandler is the best scorer in the league? His FG% is SO high, He's super-de-duper effishunt!

let me ask you this.. durant won 3 of the last 4 scoring titles... and honestly pretty much tied last year for the lead....

do you still consider carmelo the best scorer in the league?

No, but I never said he was...I'd say he's top 3 and I know you don't agree with that.

well you have kobe, lebron, durant... so no, I don't agree... again, objectively look at this...

Some of these guys can't understand that they see the Knicks as fans. Who cares if Barkley hates the Knicks, but what he said was true. Some of these guys want to be lied to.

good post vmart, lets talk about the lies..

{{{{{{{So let's chronicle Barg's Pneumonia Gate.....

Caught Pneumonia probably a few days to a week prior to August 20th during the Euroleague Championsips

"The FIP thanks Bargnani for his work done and wishes him the best of luck for the future," the statement said.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...sket-pneumonia

We got 2 choices here concerning Bargs

Oct 1st Quotes
"Ain't no pressure on him," Anthony said at the end of practice on Tuesday, the Knicks' first of training camp. "You come here and play ball. All the pressure is on me. It should be easy for him."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1473246

"When you play with great guys it makes the game easier because they're drawing attention and they know how to play," said Bargnani, who pronounced himself fine after a bout of pneumonia."

Oct 17th Quotes
"It's looking good," Woodson said on Sunday. "I don't know who's going to start yet. But I like the makeup of Andrea and Melo on the floor at the same time with Tyson[Chandler]. In the scrimmage we worked that combination. It wasn't bad."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...o-looking-good

"Me and 'B' had a great week, just playing together, spacing it out on the court/b], me trying to learn from, him, him trying to learn from me, trying to see what spots he likes out there on the basketball court," Anthony said. "For the most part, he's actually a smart player; he can play off people."

Oct 27th Quote
"[b]He's not going to adjust to the New York style, the New York way of living, overnight. So I'm not asking people to be patient with him but as his teammates we're very patient with him,"...Anthony said

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...ern-for-knicks

I guess that's why....... Melo and B GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS(signed Isiah Thomas)

You're 2 choices are.....

Believe these lies

or

Don't believe these lies}}}}}}}}}

I don't know what to think of what went down. But I'm going to give Bargs the benefit of the doubt because Pneumonia is no joke and Bargs being an athlete it makes it that much more difficult to recover from. Stamina and other issues that come with it can be affected by Pneumonia.

With that said I feel three Grunwald moves got him fired. Bargs, Amare and Lin, they F'ing had Beatlemainia going on with Lin and Grunwald put an end to it. Those who know Dolan know he is all about the ticket sales and advertising dollars. Grunwald took a strick on that one. Then he got another strick with Amare having surgery why was he brought back for playoffs that made no sense only to have surgery again. Then he traded for Bargs an injury prone player probably not a bad move but with the team across the bridge making moves that were drawing attention lead to strick three.

I honestly don't know what to make out anything that comes out of NYK media room. This year is going to be all about selling the garden to the fans.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

Melo is only a failure because he is the number one option. Make him second option and he might fair better.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

two times out of ten times he has made it out of the first round. one CF appearance in 10 years.

failure.

I'm sorry but that's some arbitrary criteria you put together. The goal of of the players is the win a championship. Only so many players can get there during their careers. So should I count every player that didn't win it all as failures? I don't think so.

i am not going to bother going into the details of the relative playoff success of his rivals or so-called peers and contemporaries. people like to hang chris paul out there but there are a good number of others who have had more success than melo in the playoffs. off the top of my head: durant, lebron, rose, dirk, pierce, garnett, duncan, bryant, nash, howard, billups, deron williams. all have had better playoff success than anthony.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

two times out of ten times he has made it out of the first round. one CF appearance in 10 years.

failure.

I'm sorry but that's some arbitrary criteria you put together. The goal of of the players is the win a championship. Only so many players can get there during their careers. So should I count every player that didn't win it all as failures? I don't think so.

i am not going to bother going into the details of the relative playoff success of his rivals or so-called peers and contemporaries. people like to hang chris paul out there but there are a good number of others who have had more success than melo in the playoffs. off the top of my head: durant, lebron, rose, dirk, pierce, garnett, duncan, bryant, nash, howard, billups, deron williams. all have had better playoff success than anthony.

And I can name even more people who have had less success but where does that get us? What's the point of all that playoff success that Rose, Deron, Durant, etc had if they don't win it all? Should they be satisfied being able to look back on their career and say "Well, at least I had more success than Melo"?

winning the title would be awesome but not realistic.
reaching the finals would still be a thrill and would absolutely exceed my expectations.
making the conference finals is a point of pride and means you are an elite team.
anything short of these goals is <meh> bordering on failure.

conclusion: had the knicks made it to the cf i would have been satisfied. this season i would still be satisfied. i never expected anything more than that with this knucklehead as the main piece anyway. his ceiling would be the cf with him as the main piece, commanding more money than he deserved to get in the first place.

that is what this all boils down to. a player overvaluing himself and getting paid more than he deserves.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

two times out of ten times he has made it out of the first round. one CF appearance in 10 years.

failure.

I'm sorry but that's some arbitrary criteria you put together. The goal of of the players is the win a championship. Only so many players can get there during their careers. So should I count every player that didn't win it all as failures? I don't think so.

i am not going to bother going into the details of the relative playoff success of his rivals or so-called peers and contemporaries. people like to hang chris paul out there but there are a good number of others who have had more success than melo in the playoffs. off the top of my head: durant, lebron, rose, dirk, pierce, garnett, duncan, bryant, nash, howard, billups, deron williams. all have had better playoff success than anthony.

And I can name even more people who have had less success but where does that get us? What's the point of all that playoff success that Rose, Deron, Durant, etc had if they don't win it all? Should they be satisfied being able to look back on their career and say "Well, at least I had more success than Melo"?

winning the title would be awesome but not realistic.
reaching the finals would still be a thrill and would absolutely exceed my expectations.
making the conference finals is a point of pride and means you are an elite team.
anything short of these goals is <meh> bordering on failure.

conclusion: had the knicks made it to the cf i would have been satisfied. this season i would still be satisfied. i never expected anything more than that with this knucklehead as the main piece anyway. his ceiling would be the cf with him as the main piece, commanding more money than he deserved to get in the first place.

that is what this all boils down to. a player overvaluing himself and getting paid more than he deserves.

I seriously doubt you would be satisfied because no one was satisfied after we lost in the 2nd rnd even though that was better then the yr before.

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

two times out of ten times he has made it out of the first round. one CF appearance in 10 years.

failure.

I'm sorry but that's some arbitrary criteria you put together. The goal of of the players is the win a championship. Only so many players can get there during their careers. So should I count every player that didn't win it all as failures? I don't think so.

i am not going to bother going into the details of the relative playoff success of his rivals or so-called peers and contemporaries. people like to hang chris paul out there but there are a good number of others who have had more success than melo in the playoffs. off the top of my head: durant, lebron, rose, dirk, pierce, garnett, duncan, bryant, nash, howard, billups, deron williams. all have had better playoff success than anthony.

And I can name even more people who have had less success but where does that get us? What's the point of all that playoff success that Rose, Deron, Durant, etc had if they don't win it all? Should they be satisfied being able to look back on their career and say "Well, at least I had more success than Melo"?

winning the title would be awesome but not realistic.
reaching the finals would still be a thrill and would absolutely exceed my expectations.
making the conference finals is a point of pride and means you are an elite team.
anything short of these goals is <meh> bordering on failure.

conclusion: had the knicks made it to the cf i would have been satisfied. this season i would still be satisfied. i never expected anything more than that with this knucklehead as the main piece anyway. his ceiling would be the cf with him as the main piece, commanding more money than he deserved to get in the first place.

that is what this all boils down to. a player overvaluing himself and getting paid more than he deserves.

I seriously doubt you would be satisfied because no one was satisfied after we lost in the 2nd rnd even though that was better then the yr before.

no you're wrong. i said before the season that my highest expectation would be ecf and if they achieved that i would have been satisfied. they didn't so i wasn't.

we're still stuck with felton and melo and that is a big problem in the playoffs.

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

Assuming that's true, what does that help Melo accomplish exactly?

He puts a lil fear in Lebron when they go head to head. It all started back in Highschool when they went head to head and Melo always won. He has too much respect for Melo.

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you ever watch Miami play NY and Melo and Lebron are guarding each other, Lebron respects Melo more than Melo respects Lebron. It's the street cred Melo has over Lebron. Mind you I'm not saying Melo is better than Lebron, im saying he has the mental edge over him when they go up against one another.

"street cred" LOL

Who's more hood on the court, Lebron or Melo ? Melo of course.

melo is more hood, no doubt... but that is the same reason why he's a failure as a pro. hood is about self not team.

Failure as a pro?

two times out of ten times he has made it out of the first round. one CF appearance in 10 years.

failure.

I'm sorry but that's some arbitrary criteria you put together. The goal of of the players is the win a championship. Only so many players can get there during their careers. So should I count every player that didn't win it all as failures? I don't think so.

i am not going to bother going into the details of the relative playoff success of his rivals or so-called peers and contemporaries. people like to hang chris paul out there but there are a good number of others who have had more success than melo in the playoffs. off the top of my head: durant, lebron, rose, dirk, pierce, garnett, duncan, bryant, nash, howard, billups, deron williams. all have had better playoff success than anthony.

And I can name even more people who have had less success but where does that get us? What's the point of all that playoff success that Rose, Deron, Durant, etc had if they don't win it all? Should they be satisfied being able to look back on their career and say "Well, at least I had more success than Melo"?

Rose and Durant are still in the early stages, the book has not been written on them yet, but even then it does matter that they have more success because you have something to gauge positively... if you have those guys and want to build around them, you know you have a legit chance to win it all...

you do realize carmelo is asking for more money than all of those guys.. that is a huge problem... you can't win if you can't get out of the first round.

let me ask you and the others this.. Do you just want to rake over a max deal to carmelo.. a kobe max? is that what you want? do you honestly feel that will get us closer to a ring? If so, then for me this discussion is over.. welcome to HELL for the next few years... Hell with no hope.... and kiss that cap space goooooodbye...