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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

no, all you are doing is increasing the impact of shaq to try to support your point and it is not working.. I ask you, where was dirk's top 10 player? where was lebrons when he made it to the finals?

when carmelo actually HELPS, then you can talk to me about having "help" until then this conversation is becoming a bit ridiculous.. honestly..

I already acknowledged Dirk was the exception and Lebron is on a different level. Please see above. But the point you are missing is Wade does not win a title without Shaq, or even get close. Refer to his years without Shaq or Lebron. And Pierce does not get close to a title with KG, please refer to his years prior to 2008. Melo has never had a player as dominant as Shaq at age 33 or as dominant as prime KG. Melo, like Wade the years without another all-star and Kobe the years without another all-star, has been successful enough to lead his team to the playoffs, and thats it. Again, Lebron is the exception, and Dirk was also the exception. How else can i explain it?

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Andrew wrote:These Uncle Drew vids have lost the entertainment value that they once had for me. Didn't find this latest one interesting at all.

Agreed. The only thing keeping me watching all the way through was trying to figure out who the player was.

They would be more interesting if they were real. Like those professor spiderman clips. The players are good enough for them to do it for real. You would just have to change up the way you pick teams a bit. Instead of having the old guy picks teams just a plant in the crowd so the people don't get suspicious or see who will be playing until right before it starts. Things like this work better when he gets legit reactions from the people watching.

gunsnewing wrote:Wades teams were in the lottery without Shaq. Absolutely true

and how does this help the knicks...

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gunsnewing wrote:Wades teams were in the lottery without Shaq. Absolutely true

and how does this help the knicks...

I know you can connect the dots here. We're not in the lottery with Melo. Give Melo another guy like Wade got and we can go places.

what places can we go?

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gunsnewing wrote:Wades teams were in the lottery without Shaq. Absolutely true

and how does this help the knicks...

I know you can connect the dots here. We're not in the lottery with Melo. Give Melo another guy like Wade got and we can go places.

what places can we go?

Oh the places you'll go!- Dr. Seuss

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

shaq didn't become intimately involved in the destruction of the team he wanted to land with-- melo did.

lebron elevated his game and success when he committed to being a great defender and sought the toughest assignment every night. that is not ever going to happen with carmelo anthony-- conditioning and defense will always remain an issue and will be a huge reason he will never win a title as the main guy.

What destruction? We are coming off a 54-win season, atlantic division title, and 2nd round playoff finish not to mention an open salary cap situation in less than 2 years. The things people make up...

you are like a brand new coloring book. lots of outlines but no fill-ins.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

shaq didn't become intimately involved in the destruction of the team he wanted to land with-- melo did.

lebron elevated his game and success when he committed to being a great defender and sought the toughest assignment every night. that is not ever going to happen with carmelo anthony-- conditioning and defense will always remain an issue and will be a huge reason he will never win a title as the main guy.

What destruction? We are coming off a 54-win season, atlantic division title, and 2nd round playoff finish not to mention an open salary cap situation in less than 2 years. The things people make up...

salary cap is overstated especially if you talk about resigning carmelo...

we have very few of our own picks

very little young talent.

we got owned in the second round

and despite a 54 win season some experts have us a very low seed..

Our long term outlook is not good compared to the rest of the east..

why is that so hard to see?

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

shaq didn't become intimately involved in the destruction of the team he wanted to land with-- melo did.

lebron elevated his game and success when he committed to being a great defender and sought the toughest assignment every night. that is not ever going to happen with carmelo anthony-- conditioning and defense will always remain an issue and will be a huge reason he will never win a title as the main guy.

What destruction? We are coming off a 54-win season, atlantic division title, and 2nd round playoff finish not to mention an open salary cap situation in less than 2 years. The things people make up...

you are like a brand new coloring book. lots of outlines but no fill-ins.

Ok to clarify, i don't consider losing Gallinari, W Chandler, Mozgov, Randolph, Curry, and a bunch of late draft picks the destruction of this franchise. But agree to disagree.

of course you wouldn't.... but if you are not getting better, you are getting worse.. .we are not getting better... meanwhile, the guys you mentioned.. won 57 games and their future looks BRIGHT..

so how would you define that?

We got better. Refer to last seasons results. Denver won 57 games with the best depth in the league and then got exposed. Not sure how bright their future is, many project they will miss the playoffs....

And that's not even discussing amare stoudemire and the level he was at then vs. now.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

shaq didn't become intimately involved in the destruction of the team he wanted to land with-- melo did.

lebron elevated his game and success when he committed to being a great defender and sought the toughest assignment every night. that is not ever going to happen with carmelo anthony-- conditioning and defense will always remain an issue and will be a huge reason he will never win a title as the main guy.

What destruction? We are coming off a 54-win season, atlantic division title, and 2nd round playoff finish not to mention an open salary cap situation in less than 2 years. The things people make up...

you are like a brand new coloring book. lots of outlines but no fill-ins.

Ok to clarify, i don't consider losing Gallinari, W Chandler, Mozgov, Randolph, Curry, and a bunch of late draft picks the destruction of this franchise. But agree to disagree.

of course you wouldn't.... but if you are not getting better, you are getting worse.. .we are not getting better... meanwhile, the guys you mentioned.. won 57 games and their future looks BRIGHT..

so how would you define that?

We got better. Refer to last seasons results. Denver won 57 games with the best depth in the league and then got exposed. Not sure how bright their future is, many project they will miss the playoffs....

And that's not even discussing amare stoudemire and the level he was at then vs. now.

DENVER GOT EXPOSED? and what about the knicks? LOL

many project they will miss the playoffs.

many like who?

Not sure how bright their future is

LOL, you are being ridiculous...... there aren't many teams positioned as nicely as they are.. but enjoy carmelo and the next few years of futility.. westbrook and Kyrie ain't coming here to save that donkey...

Peace....

Knicks won a playoff series, Denver did not. Knicks will have significant cap space in 2 years and Denver will not. I Just look at facts, not some wild theories based on a hatred for Melo and a love for gallo and co. Every view you have on this topic is like you can read the future. Since the trade, we have had nothing but positive results in the standings and playoffs while the players we traded are either solid role players or non factors, meanwhile Anthony enjoyed an MVP caliber season and helped the Knicks to reasonable success withoit any help from amare. The fact that you still argue this topic like we clearly haven't improved and Denver is so much better off is laughable, just look at the results and nothing else.