martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Doc wasn't as concerned with winning the division. More concerned with limiting their minutes. Everything was derailed when rondo went down. Woodson was busy playing Kidd 30+ mins

That team was flailing around before Rondo went down. Get it right.

Doc was concerned about just making the playoffs.

the celtics may have been a mediocre reg sea team but they gave the knicks a real scare. and what might have occurred had rondo been healthy for that first round?

dk7th wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Doc wasn't as concerned with winning the division. More concerned with limiting their minutes. Everything was derailed when rondo went down. Woodson was busy playing Kidd 30+ mins

That team was flailing around before Rondo went down. Get it right.

Doc was concerned about just making the playoffs.

the celtics may have been a mediocre reg sea team but they gave the knicks a real scare. and what might have occurred had rondo been healthy for that first round?

The Knicks won. End of story. Just as much as Indiana beat Knicks in next round.

And what might have occurred if Amare, Wallace, Camby, JR were healthy for Boston, Indiana series? Knicks kick ass.

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Doc wasn't as concerned with winning the division. More concerned with limiting their minutes. Everything was derailed when rondo went down. Woodson was busy playing Kidd 30+ mins

That team was flailing around before Rondo went down. Get it right.

Doc was concerned about just making the playoffs.

the celtics may have been a mediocre reg sea team but they gave the knicks a real scare. and what might have occurred had rondo been healthy for that first round?

So even when we win a series, we didn't really?! A genuine question- where do you gain any joy from following this team? Did you like the winning streaks?

yes

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

You must secretly be a Net fan since you are going out of your way to make the Nets future pick situation seem better than it is. Please read your link again.......

The Nets have traded away their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18. In 15.... the Hawks have the right to swap.....so the Nets have little chance at a high pick. In 17.....the Celtics have the right to swap.....so essentially...the Nets may not have a decent first round pick until 2019. Further, the Nets also do not currently own a second round pick until 2017.....and in that year they gave the rights if a high second rounder in a swap as well.

Salary cap wise....the Nets are not in great shape either over the next 3 years due to high contracts for Deron, Bropez and JJ who will take up over 60 mil in space between them and this does not count if they resign Blatch to a higher number. It will be extremely difficult to sign or draft anyone of consequence over the next 4-5 years.

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

Papabear Says

Ha ha LOL foosballnick: Don't you get it he is the Sean Hanity of basketball he throws out lies and don't care who finds out about his half azz truths.

if you realize how wrong he is, you wouldn't be cosigning, but then again, why should I expect any different from you?

I'm not sure what is more despicable. You lying originally to try and prove a pathetic point. Or you lying again, to back up your first lie.

1). You claimed the Nets only have given up their first rounder in 14 and that 15-17 are swaps. This is simply not true. In the trade with Boston, they traded their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18 to the Celtics and also gave Boston the right to swap in 17. I am tired of your continual lies.....and the fact that you backed up the original lie by challenging my integrity is fvcking pathetic.

2). You claim the Nets are set up to win over the next 3 years so hence the swap options by other teams will not come in to play. Any fool can understand that given the age of Pierce, Garnett and Terry....they are going for it all THIS year. After that, the likelihood of seeing Pierce next year and then Garnett/Terry after that is next to null. Without these guys, the Nets have shown they are a middling playoff team at best.

3). You claim the Nets can build around Deron and Lopez. This will have to start after 2015, since JJ is still on the roster and the three combined are basically over the cap by themselves. With few picks (no second rounders either) and minimal cap flexibility until that time.....I would like to know how you explain in detail that this will happen?

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

TKF why stress your self out why don't you and your brother just pledge allegiance to the Nets. OOHH wait ! You already did. I forgot you are already a Nets fan and to hell with the Knicks. LOL good luck!