StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

jazz74 wrote:typical espn hate......how can a player who leads the league in scoring and third in mvp voting be only 15? I am hard pressed to think of five players better than him.

I can lead the league in scoring too if I chucked it 50 times a game.

Some get offended because Melo doenst get enough praise. well the best way to fix that is to at least get to the fianls or at least give the ehat a run for their money in the ECF

That'd be fair if he could actually get credit for it. A lot of what he's done here is downplayed or attributed to anyone but him.

he gets credit. Anybody knows that he is our biggest offensive weapon by a mile. Everybody knows that he is the biggest reason why we won 54 games. However if you wnat him to get the kind of credit lebron and kobe gets then he has to win

however, we are discussing his relevancy on that list. what has love or griffen done to show they are better than melo? nothing. also about chucking 50 times and leading in scoring, not true. ask cedric ceballos.

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Vmart wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

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tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

A buddy of mine knows Karl and said he didn't have a problem with Melo until Melo wanted to leave Denver. The guy has known Karl since his first nba job at Golden State. D'Antoni wanted Melo to fit into his system. Similar to the many other players he has had trouble with since his run in Phoenix, he is all about making his system work and not about utilizing players strengths. The Knicks have done nothing but win since Woodson replaced D'Antoni. The second round of the playoffs were rough but it is hard to find a team that had to overcome as much adversity as the Knicks both in the regular season and the post season.

All teams deal with injuries and such, they all do. Didnt Chicago advance to the same round we did? What if they had played us in the 2nd round?

I agree with your assessment of Karl, disagree with D'antoni....D'antoni has never put the ball in the hands of any player of than a pg....if D'antoni was truly trying to make melo fit...he would have taken away the ball.

but nope, D;'atnoni said literally after we got swept that he expects melo to be a triple double thret the following season.

Not a fan of D'Antoni but his heavy reliance on his point guard was known by Grunwald but he went for a more traditional line up and amnestied Billups to get Tyson. Douglas wasn't good enough to play point and D'Antoni had Melo play point forward. Melo averaged around 4 assists under D'Antoni. Melo was asked to play point forward for D'Antoni. Remember Shump and Douglas were playing the point for awhile and it was a horror show.

D'Antoni tried very hard to make Melo an all around player. I recall Melo hating every bit of his 4 assists. Melo is very talented but he is what he is unwilling to learn to change to situations.

really? Did he tell you that personally?

Yeah he told me, with his attitude. He also told me he likes the ball at the free throw line corners and said he can't shoot 50% from the field because he isn't good enough to do it.

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Steph Curry and Marc Gasol in the top 10...People's reasoning for Melo at 15 is his defense...Curry, the defensive demon is top 10...Have KLove ever been to the playoffs??...If Blake Griffin can't be on the court in crunch time, he is not a max player or a top 20 player...Those advanced stat misses that...

I dont think gasol curry and love should be over him BUT melo is still not in that elite class with lebron kobe durant. His scoring is as good as anyone besides lebron but like i said his bad playoff record and flaws in defense keep him down a bit

Durant has flaws in his defense and how did he look in the playoffs without Westbrook??..How did Kobe's team look last year with another top 10 guy playing next to him??..How did Wade look in his prime without Shaq or Bron next to him???..Curry is ranked in the top 10 and he cant guard a chair...

To be honest i dont give a damn who is ranked where. Its about winning in the playoffs. I just want the Knicks to win and go deep in the playoffs. I actually like melo but so far he hasnt had much success in the playoffs.

well, to be fair, what player, besides lebron and maybe kobe and cp3, would have been more successful with the constructed knicks team than melo?

Im pretty sure i said other than lebron kobe or maybe durant nobody is ahead of melo. In fact i said guys like griffin gasol and curry arent as good as melo. I mean im trying to be fair. In order to get all the accolades from afns you ahve to be successful in the playoffs its just the way it is

true....but i think melo gets sh!tted on more for whatever reason. he has accomplished the same as cp3 but yet cp3 is praised constantly and melo is dogged. double standard.

CP3 elevates talent, Talent has to elevate Melo. When Melo learns the value of efficiency and using the talent around him only then will his game and teams get to the next level.

Vmart wrote:When a player doesn't buy into a situation you are going to have losing and Melo didn't buy into D'Antoni's plan of playing point forward. But I feel there was a method to D'Antoni's madness he was trying to get Melo to up his game in all facets become a better passer and facilitator. Melo didn't buy into it knowing that he isn't capable of handling the challenge put forth.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7683000/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-pushing-mike-dantoni-door

tkf wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Steph Curry and Marc Gasol in the top 10...People's reasoning for Melo at 15 is his defense...Curry, the defensive demon is top 10...Have KLove ever been to the playoffs??...If Blake Griffin can't be on the court in crunch time, he is not a max player or a top 20 player...Those advanced stat misses that...

I dont think gasol curry and love should be over him BUT melo is still not in that elite class with lebron kobe durant. His scoring is as good as anyone besides lebron but like i said his bad playoff record and flaws in defense keep him down a bit

Durant has flaws in his defense and how did he look in the playoffs without Westbrook??..How did Kobe's team look last year with another top 10 guy playing next to him??..How did Wade look in his prime without Shaq or Bron next to him???..Curry is ranked in the top 10 and he cant guard a chair...

To be honest i dont give a damn who is ranked where. Its about winning in the playoffs. I just want the Knicks to win and go deep in the playoffs. I actually like melo but so far he hasnt had much success in the playoffs.

well, to be fair, what player, besides lebron and maybe kobe and cp3, would have been more successful with the constructed knicks team than melo?

Im pretty sure i said other than lebron kobe or maybe durant nobody is ahead of melo. In fact i said guys like griffin gasol and curry arent as good as melo. I mean im trying to be fair. In order to get all the accolades from afns you ahve to be successful in the playoffs its just the way it is

true....but i think melo gets sh!tted on more for whatever reason. he has accomplished the same as cp3 but yet cp3 is praised constantly and melo is dogged. double standard.

really it isn't cp3 has made it out of the first round twice in 5 postseason attempts.. carmelo has made it out twice in 10 post season attempts....

big difference..

plus chris paul hands down is a better player.. and considered the best at his position..
3x all nba first team
3x all nba defense first team
2x all nba defensive second team
2x assist leader
5x steals leader

carmelo has never made all nba first tam
never made any defensive anything..

so no, he has not accomplished the same as CP3... not remotely close..

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1637533-tony-parkers-playoff-resume-taking-best-pg-crown-away-from-chris-paul

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Paul George #13.....hmmmmmm....Blake Griffin 14...Griffin had trouble staying on the court at the end of game during tight player off games ...He dunks, that's it...How does that crack top 25???

No that is matters to me at all but george is a two player, and stats favor that and analysts as well, plus he was on the team that beat ours.

I like Blake, no i dont think he's better than Melo, but he does things I like.

He can score rebound and pass, if Doc makes him into a defender....then yeah he's better.

I think george is certainly better than carmelo..

Blake, although I have been critical of him over the years, does score,rebound and pass well.. almost 4 dimes a game... if he can become a better defender, then watch out...

I like him over carmelo because I know what he is... He is a PF, and plays like one.... carmelo plays PF on offense, sometimes on defense, depending on matchups.... I mean jeeez...

You should excuse yourself from any talks regarding Melo. You are a Melo hater and your judgements suck and one sided. Plus we all know what you are going to say before you say it about Melo. I mean jeeez...

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

jazz74 wrote:typical espn hate......how can a player who leads the league in scoring and third in mvp voting be only 15? I am hard pressed to think of five players better than him.

I can lead the league in scoring too if I chucked it 50 times a game.

Well then how come you are not in the NBA

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

jazz74 wrote:typical espn hate......how can a player who leads the league in scoring and third in mvp voting be only 15? I am hard pressed to think of five players better than him.

I can lead the league in scoring too if I chucked it 50 times a game.

Some get offended because Melo doenst get enough praise. well the best way to fix that is to at least get to the fianls or at least give the ehat a run for their money in the ECF

That'd be fair if he could actually get credit for it. A lot of what he's done here is downplayed or attributed to anyone but him.

he gets credit. Anybody knows that he is our biggest offensive weapon by a mile. Everybody knows that he is the biggest reason why we won 54 games. However if you wnat him to get the kind of credit lebron and kobe gets then he has to win

Papabear Says

Give him a Wade and a Bosh and Ray Allen and he will win and go to the finals. oh also a center who can score and defend.

Don't bother...Haters gonna hate ..

holfresh wrote:

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

jazz74 wrote:typical espn hate......how can a player who leads the league in scoring and third in mvp voting be only 15? I am hard pressed to think of five players better than him.

I can lead the league in scoring too if I chucked it 50 times a game.

Some get offended because Melo doenst get enough praise. well the best way to fix that is to at least get to the fianls or at least give the ehat a run for their money in the ECF

That'd be fair if he could actually get credit for it. A lot of what he's done here is downplayed or attributed to anyone but him.

he gets credit. Anybody knows that he is our biggest offensive weapon by a mile. Everybody knows that he is the biggest reason why we won 54 games. However if you wnat him to get the kind of credit lebron and kobe gets then he has to win

Papabear Says

Give him a Wade and a Bosh and Ray Allen and he will win and go to the finals. oh also a center who can score and defend.

Don't bother...Haters gonna hate ..

tkf wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Steph Curry and Marc Gasol in the top 10...People's reasoning for Melo at 15 is his defense...Curry, the defensive demon is top 10...Have KLove ever been to the playoffs??...If Blake Griffin can't be on the court in crunch time, he is not a max player or a top 20 player...Those advanced stat misses that...

I dont think gasol curry and love should be over him BUT melo is still not in that elite class with lebron kobe durant. His scoring is as good as anyone besides lebron but like i said his bad playoff record and flaws in defense keep him down a bit

Durant has flaws in his defense and how did he look in the playoffs without Westbrook??..How did Kobe's team look last year with another top 10 guy playing next to him??..How did Wade look in his prime without Shaq or Bron next to him???..Curry is ranked in the top 10 and he cant guard a chair...

To be honest i dont give a damn who is ranked where. Its about winning in the playoffs. I just want the Knicks to win and go deep in the playoffs. I actually like melo but so far he hasnt had much success in the playoffs.

well, to be fair, what player, besides lebron and maybe kobe and cp3, would have been more successful with the constructed knicks team than melo?

Im pretty sure i said other than lebron kobe or maybe durant nobody is ahead of melo. In fact i said guys like griffin gasol and curry arent as good as melo. I mean im trying to be fair. In order to get all the accolades from afns you ahve to be successful in the playoffs its just the way it is

true....but i think melo gets sh!tted on more for whatever reason. he has accomplished the same as cp3 but yet cp3 is praised constantly and melo is dogged. double standard.

really it isn't cp3 has made it out of the first round twice in 5 postseason attempts.. carmelo has made it out twice in 10 post season attempts....

big difference..

plus chris paul hands down is a better player.. and considered the best at his position..
3x all nba first team
3x all nba defense first team
2x all nba defensive second team
2x assist leader
5x steals leader

carmelo has never made all nba first tam
never made any defensive anything..

so no, he has not accomplished the same as CP3... not remotely close..

truth is that melo is a top player, a top 10 player, this guy i remember after last playoffs, i said, "melo is only baller we have"