IronWillGiroud wrote:

Dagger wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Clean wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Clean wrote:The difference between Powell and Ike are pretty evident. Both have qualities we need. Powell blacks shots and has size. Ike has inside scoring and rebounding. Both players have decent mid range shots. People who think we need more rebounding will pick Ike and people who think we need more Size and blacks will pick Powell.

I think we need more blacks so I go with Powell

gotta love typos

oh that's a typo?

Haha, if it's not a typo it doesn't make sense because Diogu and Powell are both black.

Yea that's where it falls apart thanks for bringing it to attention

and to be fair, ike is super black

Kenyon Martin's lingering ankle injury will keep him out of Monday's preseason game against the Raptors. It may also keep him out of the Knicks' season opener.

Martin suffered an ankle injury late last season but returned to play in every playoff game for the Knicks.

But the injury is still bothering Martin, according to Mike Woodson.

"His knees are fine. He feels great there. It's just, he’s nursing his ankle," Woodson said after Saturday's practice.

The fact that Martin is still hurt six months after his original ankle sprain is troubling for the 13-year veteran, and for the Knicks.

He's missed the first four preseason games already. Woodson said Martin may scrimmage with the Knicks during their two-game, three-day road trip next week.

"That’s our hope," the coach said. "We’ll see how all this plays out."

Martin's status for the season opener is questionable at this point, according to Woodson.

"And if he is around, I don't know how much he'll even play," Woodson said.

Woodson wants to see the 36-year-old forward scrimmage before playing him in a game.

Martin has missed multiple practices during training camp and the preseason. The Knicks said they were "preserving" the veteran forward, whom they re-signed to a one-year contract for the veteran's minimum in the off season.

Josh Powell would be better suited to do just that, more than Ike Diogu.

playa2 wrote:We have Kmart for defense to protect the basket. Now according to this article , who's going to protect the rim ?

Kenyon Martin's lingering ankle injury will keep him out of Monday's preseason game against the Raptors. It may also keep him out of the Knicks' season opener.

Martin suffered an ankle injury late last season but returned to play in every playoff game for the Knicks.

But the injury is still bothering Martin, according to Mike Woodson.

"His knees are fine. He feels great there. It's just, he’s nursing his ankle," Woodson said after Saturday's practice.

The fact that Martin is still hurt six months after his original ankle sprain is troubling for the 13-year veteran, and for the Knicks.

He's missed the first four preseason games already. Woodson said Martin may scrimmage with the Knicks during their two-game, three-day road trip next week.

"That’s our hope," the coach said. "We’ll see how all this plays out."

Martin's status for the season opener is questionable at this point, according to Woodson.

"And if he is around, I don't know how much he'll even play," Woodson said.

Woodson wants to see the 36-year-old forward scrimmage before playing him in a game.

Martin has missed multiple practices during training camp and the preseason. The Knicks said they were "preserving" the veteran forward, whom they re-signed to a one-year contract for the veteran's minimum in the off season.

Josh Powell would be better suited to do just that, more than Ike Diogu.

My opinion Diogu is simply the better talent. We lack in rebounding and if Amare cant play--we dont have ANY inside scoring. Id rather have the bruiser who can score and rebound who can IMHO put up a few 20-10 games if given the time. Our team is built on scoring first but we need inside scoring to open up the outside. Powell hasnt shown he can score anywhere near Ike D. Powell has been given a great chance and hes played fair at best--Ike has earned the spot like Murry

Finestrg wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:How did CDR do?

Never even got in the game. DNP - coach's decision. Looks like he's only gotten into 1 of the 4 games we've played so far. Joke...Doesn't even look like he's been a big part of the practices, the few clips I've seen (saw the entire 'training camp - live' special the other day and he wasn't a big part of that scrimmage at all which surprised me---it was a starters vs. backups type of scrimmage where Woody coached the starters and Jimmy Todd had the reserves. You figured if Woody has a problem with him, Todd would've given him a better chance to showcase. He played, but he wasn't a factor at all, similar to the other night in the game Boston mauled us). You don't even hear anyone talking about him...Ridiculous, man -- unless he's been doggin' it in practice or he mouthed off to Woody or something... I doubt that seriously. Dude's trying to make this team, trying to get back in the show...It's a shame he's not being given a chance to compete for a spot. I like the kid Murry--I see exactly what everyone else sees. 6'5", good handle, poised, good defender. He looks decent for an unknown. I get that..He's not CDR though. Give CDR the same amount of time next game - I betcha he'd drop 20, even if he only got 15 mins. The man's that good a scorer...Woody took James White last year -- CDR has more talent in his left pinky than White has in his entire body. I know this guy, man. LOVED him in college (one of my favorite college players ever) and I actually thought he was good with the Nets & Milwaukee. I agree though -- I think Murry's in. Done deal..You can tell. Woody giving him extended minutes, affectionately tappin' him on the head last night as he came toward the bench in a timeout, etc... Here's my Murry vs. CDR take -- I don't think we will ever need Murry to play PG here. That leaves a 2G comparison between CDR and Murry. Nothing against Murry, but I'm taking CDR here. At 6'7" dude could play some 3 too... He's a legit offensive NBA wing. Murry's not. Not yet. Can he get there? I dunno. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Murry's ever gonna be a guy a team can count on to go out there and drop 20+ consistently against anyone. That's CDR's game...And at 26 years old, CDR's still young enough where he would be a welcome addition now AND a piece we could keep if and when we ever had to turn over the roster.. Woody sees this different though I guess.

callmened wrote:I agree with situation regarding CDR...im a fan of CDR..i dont get it. Maybe hes hurt

maybe he sucks

i remember he used to tickle the twines from the long range back with the nets, then he fell off like josh childress

knickscity wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

callmened wrote:I agree with situation regarding CDR...im a fan of CDR..i dont get it. Maybe hes hurt

maybe he sucks

That might be the reason.

Most definitely not the reason. I think Woody liked the kid Murry right from SL and convinced him to come to training camp for the Knicks when he had other opportunities (Miami for one). He probably now wants to reward that loyalty...And that's OK...Plus Murry has earned a spot to be fair---he played well in SL and has looked even better in pre-season so far....I like Murry and I'd be OK with us taking him. I just feel CDR is a little bigger and better...And that's not a knock against Murry. I just really like CDR's talent level---always have. His ability to score the ball is a legit weapon and something that could come in handy if one of our primary scorers ever went down...This is a guy that can go out there and drop 30 on Lebron/Wade and co. He's done it before...Can Murry put up that kind of game against the King & Dwayne Wade? I dunno. Maybe. To me, the more scorers the better. The #1 objective in basketball is to outscore the opponent. The more scorers we have at the ready, the easier that objective becomes. Having said that -- Murry does supply something similar & is probably an even better defender (still needs growth in all areas but as is, the kid looks like he has a nice well-rounded game with very few holes). Can't go wrong either way I suppose...I think unless somebody unexpectedly plays well or bad these last few games, the last 3 will be Tyler, Diogu and Murry. And that's cool. I'm fine with that...That's a very decent last 3...I've just been wondering out loud WHY CDR hasn't gotten a legit look yet.. It'd be nice to have Berman, Iannazzone, Begley or one of these guys ask Woody about this...I'd like an answer.. You can't bring in a talent like CDR, not use him at all and then give no explanation...I mean what if we gave him 30+ mins. tomorrow in Toronto and he drops 25 on DeRozan? CDR can do that...Then what? Is Murry still a lock?

Finestrg wrote:

knickscity wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

callmened wrote:I agree with situation regarding CDR...im a fan of CDR..i dont get it. Maybe hes hurt

maybe he sucks

That might be the reason.

Most definitely not the reason. I think Woody liked the kid Murry right from SL and convinced him to come to training camp for the Knicks when he had other opportunities (Miami for one). He probably now wants to reward that loyalty...And that's OK...Plus Murry has earned a spot to be fair---he played well in SL and has looked even better in pre-season so far....I like Murry and I'd be OK with us taking him. I just feel CDR is a little bigger and better...And that's not a knock against Murry. I just really like CDR's talent level---always have. His ability to score the ball is a legit weapon and something that could come in handy if one of our primary scorers ever went down...This is a guy that can go out there and drop 30 on Lebron/Wade and co. He's done it before...Can Murry put up that kind of game against the King & Dwayne Wade? I dunno. Maybe. To me, the more scorers the better. The #1 objective in basketball is the outscore the opponent. The more scorers we have at the ready, the easier that objective becomes. Having said that -- Murry supplies something similar & is probably even a better defender (still needs growth in all areas but as is, the kid looks like he has a nice, well-rounded game with very few holes). Can't go wrong either way...I think unless somebody unexpectedly plays well or bad these last few games, the last 3 will be Tyler, Diogu and Murry. And that's cool. I'm fine with that...That's a very decent last 3...I've just been wondering out loud WHY CDR hasn't gotten a legit look yet.. It'd be nice to have Berman, Iannazzone, Begley or one of these guys ask Woody about this...I'd like an answer.. You can't bring in a talent like CDR, not use him at all and then give no explanation...I mean what if we gave him 30+ mins. tomorrow in Toronto and he drops 25 on DeRozan? CDR can do that...Then what? Is Murry still a lock?

He still sucks