IronWillGiroud wrote:Is Melo worth max money?

We can look at it from two directions: first, the numbers; second, the market reality.

If we're considering the question based purely on statistics, we can say no, he's not worth it; he's inefficient, a black-hole, doesn't pass and so on.

But if we consider the reality of the hardwoods, how many other guys in the league can do what he does?

The problem is that guys like LeBron deserve a 1/3rd more than the max. The current max zone is where guys like Melo live.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:Melo=Pippen As long as he is the best player on this team, we not winning jack!

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The better alternative is to spend money more wisely. That means no longer being PPG whores too. There's an infinite # of ways to do that. You can't list *the* better alternative. I've argued for using rather than ignoring the best available statistical models for a long time. With patience, there will be better options available like getting a 23 year old superstar scorer with many other talents for a much lower salary (Harden in Houston).

What makes that a better alternative? There is no proof that your way works. Time will tell for Houston and Harden

BRIGGS wrote:Anthony is one of four players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, four rebounds and two assists per game in each of his first 10 seasons. The others are Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson and LeBron James

That means we have to win a championship, because they all did.

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player. Does he have 5 years left after this one? Well hes never been a run jump athlete so his knees should hold up and he seems to be a hard worker in the offseason--but there will be risk with the back end of that contract. If he gets it--they must give every dollar they can in year 1 and when they go back into free agency it will have to be a guy who is young.

so briggs why hasn't he done so in any of the playoffs here in NY.. why was it paul george that had the superstar impact.. why was it paul pierce , garnett... I keep hearing this, but yet to see any evidence.

Look at Dirk. Dallas fans killed "Irk" (with no D). Put Tyson and Marion next to him and add a scorer in the backcourt and he's an MVP with a title. Could that be MElo? I doubt it but it would be nice to at least find out.

I make no excuses for MElo. Holes in his game are just that, and many are mental/approach type holes. But he's good and unique. Are the Knicks execs capable of seeing what he needs? Or is the MO just to cater to their new cash cow? I think its the later which SUCKS because it just meas we are the Knuggets all over again

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:
Only way Knicks ever win big is if they can land a star PG whos star enough to take the ball out of Melo's hands and just make him a finisher. Hard to envision that trade with this roster. Time will tell

Didn't he have that in Denver, Billups ?

and NY
and Iverson too
He needs a new mindset, not a new teammate

no playa and no bonn. Billups was never a great PG. Great defender, great clutch player, but he was never someone who could pick apart a defense and distribute.

Melo is never going to have a different mindset, and its silly to think after 10+ years thats changing. The only way he plays off the ball is if its in another great players hands. When Melo does that (Olympics) he's the player folks here wish he would be.

CP3. Maybe Rondo (won a title). Parker... that caliber.

And look at the ONLY year Melo was on a team there was a guy that took more shots than him. It was Iverson, and that was also Melo's BEST year shooting the ball. Its not really hard to to figure out (except for Melo)

There's about 350 players in the league who would be better playing with Chris Paul. You shouldn't need Chris Paul to stop taking dumb shots though.

of those 350 how many are capable of dropping 30 a night and have led their teams to 50 wins year after year WITHOUT Chris Paul.

Look.. Im not a Melo homer, I think thats been well established, but just because he doest shoot 50% doesnt mean he just another Al Harrington. Nobody has been more critical of Melo's playoff failures then me, but Melo is a bigtime NBA player with a unique skill set. He's not how I would build a team but I do believe he be a part of a title contendor, even the main part. He needs a true floor general. Not a guy who dribbles and hands it off for 20 seconds of pounding the rock on an iso play.

The shooting is just one issue. He's below average in every phase of the game other than PPG. I do think high volume scoring has some value, but not remotely close to $20 mil. Probably not even remotely close to remotely close to 20 mil.

he is not worth more than 15 million per year if you want to win a title. he obviously isn't interested in winning so i would try and trade him.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player. Does he have 5 years left after this one? Well hes never been a run jump athlete so his knees should hold up and he seems to be a hard worker in the offseason--but there will be risk with the back end of that contract. If he gets it--they must give every dollar they can in year 1 and when they go back into free agency it will have to be a guy who is young.

so briggs why hasn't he done so in any of the playoffs here in NY.. why was it paul george that had the superstar impact.. why was it paul pierce , garnett... I keep hearing this, but yet to see any evidence.

he's not good enough to create. Getting a shot off and creating are two different things. If you bottle up the other players you can force Melo into iso mode and taking a ton of shots at a low %. He needs the second player. When Billups was beasting they went to the conf finals. When Iverson took the most shots on the Nuggs Melo had his best shooting % of his career. Cant ask Melo to change.. he's Melo. But if he had a peer on the team he's shown the things we all hate about him are managable.

Look at Dirk. Dallas fans killed "Irk" (with no D). Put Tyson and Marion next to him and add a scorer in the backcourt and he's an MVP with a title. Could that be MElo? I doubt it but it would be nice to at least find out.

I make no excuses for MElo. Holes in his game are just that, and many are mental/approach type holes. But he's good and unique. Are the Knicks execs capable of seeing what he needs? Or is the MO just to cater to their new cash cow? I think its the later which SUCKS because it just meas we are the Knuggets all over again

if that is the case fish, then he should not be demanding a max contract..

Dirk has his issues but was a more complete player, his biggest problem was staying to much on the outside.. once he changed that, he was a champion.. but lets be real. dirk reached the finals early in his career.... has always delivered in the playoffs....

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player.

You have to ask yourself does his deficiencies hinder you to win it all or can you win it all with them ?
He needs help, players who want to win it all will sacrifice .

if it were merely deficiencies-- but he makes others worse.