nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH

Remember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH

Papabear Says

Remember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.

It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.

Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.

nyk4ever wrote:lol 'mr. holier than thou tkf'.. get over yourself bro.

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH

Papabear Says

Remember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.

It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.

Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.

You can't expect other fans to feel the same way you do. If you expect the Knicks to win a ring and you are ok with being let down again then more power to you. Not me. Not this time

in the postseason, solid to great defensive teams (i.e. chi, indy, mia and probably nj) will be able to exploit bargnani's defense in a 7 game series. so whatever effect he will have offensively, will probably be nullified and then some on the defensive end. you will have the defense scrambling all over the place to cover for him. it is why novak got 0 pt last year. you just can't have defensive liabilities on the court for the playoffs.

woodson will probably use chandler + melo + artest alot more in the postseason with bargs mins getting lower as the series continues.

chi + mia have players the knicks just can not contain at all. and once you remove bargs and amare, then the frontcourt attack is nullified as well. nj just has crazy depth and savvy - don't see how the knicks get past them in a 7 game series either. they might be able to get past indy b/c they don't have a true takeover the game offensive player on the squad.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:lol 'mr. holier than thou tkf'.. get over yourself bro.

Seriously?
He didn't personally attack you. Why start something like that? TKF is pessimistic about this organization but he sticks to basketball at least.

i was referring to tkf speaking like he's the only person here who can "realistically and reasonably assess" the team like the rest of us are a bunch of ****ing morons. you do the same thing bonn and it's annoying, get over yourself.

tkf wrote:I heard the same thing last year.... I was also in Miami two weeks ago, and I heard the heat fans say the say things knicks fans are saying in this thread....

In the end, it is better to be realistic and reasonable when assessing your own team, I know that is hard to do for some fans, especially knick fans.. but if you honestly look around at the rest of the east, I am not sure how we can talk any kind of championship.... I really don't like setting myself up for let downs...

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:lol 'mr. holier than thou tkf'.. get over yourself bro.

Seriously?
He didn't personally attack you. Why start something like that? TKF is pessimistic about this organization but he sticks to basketball at least.

i was referring to tkf speaking like he's the only person here who can "realistically and reasonably assess" the team like the rest of us are a bunch of ****ing morons. you do the same thing bonn and it's annoying, get over yourself.

tkf wrote:I heard the same thing last year.... I was also in Miami two weeks ago, and I heard the heat fans say the say things knicks fans are saying in this thread....

In the end, it is better to be realistic and reasonable when assessing your own team, I know that is hard to do for some fans, especially knick fans.. but if you honestly look around at the rest of the east, I am not sure how we can talk any kind of championship.... I really don't like setting myself up for let downs...

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:lol 'mr. holier than thou tkf'.. get over yourself bro.

Seriously?
He didn't personally attack you. Why start something like that? TKF is pessimistic about this organization but he sticks to basketball at least.

i was referring to tkf speaking like he's the only person here who can "realistically and reasonably assess" the team like the rest of us are a bunch of ****ing morons. you do the same thing bonn and it's annoying, get over yourself.

tkf wrote:I heard the same thing last year.... I was also in Miami two weeks ago, and I heard the heat fans say the say things knicks fans are saying in this thread....

In the end, it is better to be realistic and reasonable when assessing your own team, I know that is hard to do for some fans, especially knick fans.. but if you honestly look around at the rest of the east, I am not sure how we can talk any kind of championship.... I really don't like setting myself up for let downs...

Everyone thinks the evidence supports their views. Otherwise, they wouldn't post those views. Maybe you just need to learn to accept diversity of opinions.

lol. whatever bonn.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH

top 8 defense instead of a fool's gold 16th rank.
top 10 assist rank instead of a fool's gold 29th rank.
top 10 rebounding rate instead of a fool's gold 17th rank.

these rankings would give me a sense of optimism. even 2 out of 3 would.

but sadly the knick priorities may well lie elsewhere.

Yea dk, we are lacking in key areas.. I guess some fans are ok with just blindly rooting for a team.. that is fine.. Root for your team however you see fit, but don't judge others who tend to look at things objectively..

I asked this question and never got an answer.. had any other team, the nets, pacers, bulls,ect made the moves we made to get bargnani and beno, would knicks fans feel that those teams were not only better, but championship contenders? I know the honest answer to that one.