yellowboy90 wrote:I am not sold on George as the next big thing and he needs to duplicate his other numbers besides Fg %. If he does it again and improve his shooting. So far ever year his shooting numbers has gone down as his usage goes up

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Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1640478-paul-george-proving-in-2013-playoffs-hes-nbas-next-max-star

Paul George Proving in 2013 Playoffs He's NBA's Next Max Star
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The notion that Paul George isn't a max-contract NBA superstar is confusing. Why? Because it's not true.

Sans Danny Granger, who was once considered to be their best player, the Indiana Pacers are on the verge of advancing past the New York Knicks and into the Eastern Conference Finals. And while they depended upon the underrated talents of George Hill, the leadership of David West and the inconsistent stylings of Roy Hibbert, it's George who they have ridden into prominence.

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Operating as Indiana's go-to everything, George had the best regular season of his three-year career by far. He closed out 2012-13 averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.8 steals. He converted on just 41.9 percent of his field-goal attempts, but that didn't matter. Not nearly as much as everything else he was able to do.

At only 23 and now with an All-Star selection to his name, George was considered a rising star. And rightfully so.

He had become just the 10th player in NBA history to average at least 16 points, seven rebounds, four assists and 1.5 steals per game before his 24th birthday. It was a feat that put him in the company of Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James and Magic Johnson, among others. It was special. And he was rewarded for it.

George was named the NBA's Most Improved Player, much to the surprise of any Jrue Holiday supporters, but generally applauded all the same. That, along with his All-Star credentials, should have been enough. We should have been sold.

But not everyone was.

Although his accomplishments gave him star status, there was still something (unjustly) separating himself from the rest of the league's superstars—postseason success. Not in the sense that he had to win a championship (see Carmelo Anthony), but that he had to prove he was worth building around.

Could the Pacers contend in the postseason with him as their primary identity? Could he lead his team to some measure of postseason success? Was he worthy of a max contract, or was he perhaps a prolific facade?

The latter is a fair question. George is due to enter restricted free agency after next season, which means he's eligible for an extension.

This side of the lockout, it's become common practice to scrutinize the potential of any players entering the last legs of their rookie contracts. The Denver Nuggets (Ty Lawson), Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry) and Philadelphia 76ers (Jrue Holiday) all exercised extreme caution when it came to assessing the market value of their prized prospects.

No such trepidation is needed when it comes to George, though. He's not on the cusp of stardom; he's there. What he's actually on the precipice of is being compensated like one.

Anyone who watched George knows he wasn't feigning stardom or was some flash in the pan that would disappear overnight, or even next season. George was for real. Playoff success now in hand, arguments to the contrary are less than feeble.

George has been sensational in these playoffs.
For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run.

Once again, we find George pitting himself next to Hall of Famers like Magic, Bird, Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler, as well as future Hall of Famers like LeBron and Garnett.

It's not just his individual numbers either, but what he has meant to the Pacers all year, especially now.

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George has hounded Anthony all series.
Thanks to George, Indiana is in a position of power against the Knicks. New York's offense has spent most of the series wallowing in ineptitude because of the Pacers' stout defensive sets. And George has led the cause on that end (both ends, really) by shutting down the Knicks' greatest weapon—Anthony.

Anthony is averaging 26 points per game in the series, but is shooting just 40.9 percent of the field. And he's fared even worse when George is defending him.

Per ESPN Stats & Information (via Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com), 'Melo is shooting just 32 percent from the floor when being defended by George, a number that has aided in the debilitation of the Knicks offense.

'Melo's shooting woes attest to George's superior length and overall defensive capabilities. Few players in the league can legitimately be considered two-way stars, yet he's one of them, which shouldn't be a surprise.

Is there anything he can't do?

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George is a star. Period.
George has been amongst the most elite of defenders all year. It's what truly separates him from the pack. The NBA is laden with scorers and playmakers, but George's unbridled effort on the defensive end has put him in a class shared by a select few. His teammates recognize this.

"He's got length and good feet and he's never really out of position even when he gets beat he's in the rear view contesting the shot," West said of his teammate (via Windhorst). "Melo is the best 1-on-1 player in the league, he can get shots from anywhere and he can make shots from anywhere. And PG embraces that challenge."

He's always embraced "that challenge." But because he doesn't play in Miami, New York or Los Angeles, he hasn't garnered the same praise as some of peers. And it's left many surprised at how complete a player he really is.

Is Paul George worthy of a max contract?
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Refer to the postseason as George's coming-out party if you must, but understand this is nothing new. His ceiling was always this broad, his future always this blinding. He played at this level the entire season.

Any who have believed otherwise have missed out. Those who disagree are still missing out and depriving themselves the opportunity to embrace the NBA's next max superstar.

That's what George is, after all, a superstar—a warranted status his next contract is destined to reflect.

"For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run."

Papabear Says

So what are you trying to say Ron Ron ? If you like him so much why don't you just become a Pacer's fan. Then you can root for George and company to beat the Knicks. You probably already do. LOL but who really care who you root for not MSG sold out crowds rooting for the Knicks.

That I am a sports fan first
Just because I root for the Knick's doesn't mean, I lose my judgement of players/talents and have to agree with all the decisions of the organization

Because I think Paul George is more efficient, all round more talented than Melo, more cost efficient because he makes much less money, has more upside/potential with his age, and is willing to put his TEAM over his personal achievements, he earned my respect as well as Lebron's it that series, IT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN EVIL PERSON

Last I checked, 90 million is less than 100m, and well what is Melo worth at his age for his next contract with his accomplishments/personal achievements along with a MEMEME attitude, system and offense should always be run through MEMEME??

You asked for the stats and I delivered, don't go attacking other posters here if you can't take it...
DISH BUT CAN'T RECEIVE, world doesn't work that way buddy....

Please come up with a new line because you look like a fool time after time, don't come attacking me because you constantly spiked in your face with your own words
You praise Melo's as if his S#!T don't stink and you would eat it 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for the rest of your life

Oh, I am not done....
Papa Bear says GARBAGE, please stop posting and attacking posters, especially when you are drunk, no one here understands what Papa Bear thinks he "says"

Want me to continue?

You answered my question! You are not a true Knicks fan and you sit on this forum like some others and all that comes out of your mouth is just negative things about the Knicks. I understand now. You are a sports fan first. Well good for you. I'm a Knicks die hard fan first and foremost. The only person that I can say is drunk is you. I will stop attacking posters like you when you stop attacking Knicks players and you say the same damn thing over and over again. The same old stats the same I hate Melo everyday even though he is the best thing to happen for the knicks in years. I don't have a problem when someone is negative about Melo but when the same ol BS comes up and some one can have just post any old topic but you guys just can't wait to drag Melo into the conversation.
I get the point Mr. Sports Fan first. No wonder why you post like you do Mr. Sports fan first. You are drunk with hate.

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You answered my question! You are not a true Knicks fan and you sit on this forum like some others and all that comes out of your mouth is just negative things about the Knicks. I understand now. You are a sports fan first. Well good for you. I'm a Knicks die hard fan first and foremost. The only person that I can say is drunk is you. I will stop attacking posters like you when you stop attacking Knicks players and you say the same damn thing over and over again. The same old stats the same I hate Melo everyday even though he is the best thing to happen for the knicks in years. I don't have a problem when someone is negative about Melo but when the same ol BS comes up and some one can have just post any old topic but you guys just can't wait to drag Melo into the conversation.
I get the point Mr. Sports Fan first. No wonder why you post like you do Mr. Sports fan first. You are drunk with hate.

I've brought up this point before. What is it that makes you a Knicks fan? We don't groom our own players. The coach and gm is a revolving door. The only constant is Jim Dolan. It seems people here hate on Amare but to me he's one of the few players that I think actually embodies the things that I like about a team. Put his injuries aside. He came here when no one else wanted to. He carried the team on his back as best he could. He never complained. He was a good teammate.

Jeremy Lin is another player. We got him dirt cheap. Him and Landry had great chemistry. Team ball was played. Lin-sanity took over the city.

If you ask me, I find it hard to get behind free agent signings of unlikeable characters who don't play the right way. They are mercenaries, pure and simple. There's no allegiance. Do you want these types of players to represent the ideals of your favorite team?

I'm a much more passive spectator of the Knicks now because it's hard to find anyone I really like. I think Iman is one of the lone bright spots. I also really like Raymond Felton because there is some history there and he's tough. But the rest? What about them makes you think 'Knicks'?? What is likeable about them?

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:
Papabear Says

You answered my question! You are not a true Knicks fan and you sit on this forum like some others and all that comes out of your mouth is just negative things about the Knicks. I understand now. You are a sports fan first. Well good for you. I'm a Knicks die hard fan first and foremost. The only person that I can say is drunk is you. I will stop attacking posters like you when you stop attacking Knicks players and you say the same damn thing over and over again. The same old stats the same I hate Melo everyday even though he is the best thing to happen for the knicks in years. I don't have a problem when someone is negative about Melo but when the same ol BS comes up and some one can have just post any old topic but you guys just can't wait to drag Melo into the conversation.
I get the point Mr. Sports Fan first. No wonder why you post like you do Mr. Sports fan first. You are drunk with hate.

I've brought up this point before. What is it that makes you a Knicks fan? We don't groom our own players. The coach and gm is a revolving door. The only constant is Jim Dolan. It seems people here hate on Amare but to me he's one of the few players that I think actually embodies the things that I like about a team. Put his injuries aside. He came here when no one else wanted to. He carried the team on his back as best he could. He never complained. He was a good teammate.

Jeremy Lin is another player. We got him dirt cheap. Him and Landry had great chemistry. Team ball was played. Lin-sanity took over the city.

If you ask me, I find it hard to get behind free agent signings of unlikeable characters who don't play the right way. They are mercenaries, pure and simple. There's no allegiance. Do you want these types of players to represent the ideals of your favorite team?

I'm a much more passive spectator of the Knicks now because it's hard to find anyone I really like. I think Iman is one of the lone bright spots. I also really like Raymond Felton because there is some history there and he's tough. But the rest? What about them makes you think 'Knicks'?? What is likeable about them?

This is something you probably wouldn't understand but I will try to explain to you anyway. It's the Brand!!The New York Knicks. I was there when they won thier first 2 championship and I was there through the good and bad. Think about the teams in the NBA who never made it to the finals or the simi-finals and some teams a lottery pick almost every year. Yet still their fans are in the stands being loyal and always rooting for them. It's not the Knicks problem that some Cities can't pay thier bills and because they can't they muzzel down the Knicks. The game is like pop warner football or little league baseball. Now give little Johnny a chance to play every game. No the best should play and this now watered down NBA league is now at a point where the Knicks who have the money can't spend it. Amare is injured and there is nothing we can do but wait. That should not be the case. We should be able to settle with Amare and Move on. There should be no cap in basketball and we should not have as many teams as we do in the league. I am a fan of the Knicks because I grew up in the New York area and have a love for the sport but my love for the Knicks come first. I know that they may not win a championship but I always hope and enjoy the game. I don't go hatin the players. I just hope that the Knicks make better choices. I'm a Melo fan. When Melo got here he didn't expect to see a broken down Amare.

DurzoBlint wrote:

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DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

Maybe it would actually be a good idea for the team to have good ball movement and have all those other players more involved. Good passing is the best way to create good shots.

and if the guys your passing it to can't hit shots? Then you lose trust in them, right?

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

Maybe it would actually be a good idea for the team to have good ball movement and have all those other players more involved. Good passing is the best way to create good shots.

and if the guys your passing it to can't hit shots? Then you lose trust in them, right?

if you want to lose then losing trust in your teammates is the fastest and most efficient way to do so.

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RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:

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Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1640478-paul-george-proving-in-2013-playoffs-hes-nbas-next-max-star

Paul George Proving in 2013 Playoffs He's NBA's Next Max Star
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The notion that Paul George isn't a max-contract NBA superstar is confusing. Why? Because it's not true.

Sans Danny Granger, who was once considered to be their best player, the Indiana Pacers are on the verge of advancing past the New York Knicks and into the Eastern Conference Finals. And while they depended upon the underrated talents of George Hill, the leadership of David West and the inconsistent stylings of Roy Hibbert, it's George who they have ridden into prominence.

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Operating as Indiana's go-to everything, George had the best regular season of his three-year career by far. He closed out 2012-13 averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.8 steals. He converted on just 41.9 percent of his field-goal attempts, but that didn't matter. Not nearly as much as everything else he was able to do.

At only 23 and now with an All-Star selection to his name, George was considered a rising star. And rightfully so.

He had become just the 10th player in NBA history to average at least 16 points, seven rebounds, four assists and 1.5 steals per game before his 24th birthday. It was a feat that put him in the company of Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James and Magic Johnson, among others. It was special. And he was rewarded for it.

George was named the NBA's Most Improved Player, much to the surprise of any Jrue Holiday supporters, but generally applauded all the same. That, along with his All-Star credentials, should have been enough. We should have been sold.

But not everyone was.

Although his accomplishments gave him star status, there was still something (unjustly) separating himself from the rest of the league's superstars—postseason success. Not in the sense that he had to win a championship (see Carmelo Anthony), but that he had to prove he was worth building around.

Could the Pacers contend in the postseason with him as their primary identity? Could he lead his team to some measure of postseason success? Was he worthy of a max contract, or was he perhaps a prolific facade?

The latter is a fair question. George is due to enter restricted free agency after next season, which means he's eligible for an extension.

This side of the lockout, it's become common practice to scrutinize the potential of any players entering the last legs of their rookie contracts. The Denver Nuggets (Ty Lawson), Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry) and Philadelphia 76ers (Jrue Holiday) all exercised extreme caution when it came to assessing the market value of their prized prospects.

No such trepidation is needed when it comes to George, though. He's not on the cusp of stardom; he's there. What he's actually on the precipice of is being compensated like one.

Anyone who watched George knows he wasn't feigning stardom or was some flash in the pan that would disappear overnight, or even next season. George was for real. Playoff success now in hand, arguments to the contrary are less than feeble.

George has been sensational in these playoffs.
For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run.

Once again, we find George pitting himself next to Hall of Famers like Magic, Bird, Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler, as well as future Hall of Famers like LeBron and Garnett.

It's not just his individual numbers either, but what he has meant to the Pacers all year, especially now.

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George has hounded Anthony all series.
Thanks to George, Indiana is in a position of power against the Knicks. New York's offense has spent most of the series wallowing in ineptitude because of the Pacers' stout defensive sets. And George has led the cause on that end (both ends, really) by shutting down the Knicks' greatest weapon—Anthony.

Anthony is averaging 26 points per game in the series, but is shooting just 40.9 percent of the field. And he's fared even worse when George is defending him.

Per ESPN Stats & Information (via Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com), 'Melo is shooting just 32 percent from the floor when being defended by George, a number that has aided in the debilitation of the Knicks offense.

'Melo's shooting woes attest to George's superior length and overall defensive capabilities. Few players in the league can legitimately be considered two-way stars, yet he's one of them, which shouldn't be a surprise.

Is there anything he can't do?

USA TODAY Sports
George is a star. Period.
George has been amongst the most elite of defenders all year. It's what truly separates him from the pack. The NBA is laden with scorers and playmakers, but George's unbridled effort on the defensive end has put him in a class shared by a select few. His teammates recognize this.

"He's got length and good feet and he's never really out of position even when he gets beat he's in the rear view contesting the shot," West said of his teammate (via Windhorst). "Melo is the best 1-on-1 player in the league, he can get shots from anywhere and he can make shots from anywhere. And PG embraces that challenge."

He's always embraced "that challenge." But because he doesn't play in Miami, New York or Los Angeles, he hasn't garnered the same praise as some of peers. And it's left many surprised at how complete a player he really is.

Is Paul George worthy of a max contract?
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Refer to the postseason as George's coming-out party if you must, but understand this is nothing new. His ceiling was always this broad, his future always this blinding. He played at this level the entire season.

Any who have believed otherwise have missed out. Those who disagree are still missing out and depriving themselves the opportunity to embrace the NBA's next max superstar.

That's what George is, after all, a superstar—a warranted status his next contract is destined to reflect.

"For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run."

Papabear Says

So what are you trying to say Ron Ron ? If you like him so much why don't you just become a Pacer's fan. Then you can root for George and company to beat the Knicks. You probably already do. LOL but who really care who you root for not MSG sold out crowds rooting for the Knicks.

That I am a sports fan first
Just because I root for the Knick's doesn't mean, I lose my judgement of players/talents and have to agree with all the decisions of the organization

Because I think Paul George is more efficient, all round more talented than Melo, more cost efficient because he makes much less money, has more upside/potential with his age, and is willing to put his TEAM over his personal achievements, he earned my respect as well as Lebron's it that series, IT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN EVIL PERSON

Last I checked, 90 million is less than 100m, and well what is Melo worth at his age for his next contract with his accomplishments/personal achievements along with a MEMEME attitude, system and offense should always be run through MEMEME??

You asked for the stats and I delivered, don't go attacking other posters here if you can't take it...
DISH BUT CAN'T RECEIVE, world doesn't work that way buddy....

Please come up with a new line because you look like a fool time after time, don't come attacking me because you constantly spiked in your face with your own words
You praise Melo's as if his S#!T don't stink and you would eat it 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for the rest of your life

Oh, I am not done....
Papa Bear says GARBAGE, please stop posting and attacking posters, especially when you are drunk, no one here understands what Papa Bear thinks he "says"

Want me to continue?

Papabear Says

You answered my question! You are not a true Knicks fan and you sit on this forum like some others and all that comes out of your mouth is just negative things about the Knicks. I understand now. You are a sports fan first. Well good for you. I'm a Knicks die hard fan first and foremost. The only person that I can say is drunk is you. I will stop attacking posters like you when you stop attacking Knicks players and you say the same damn thing over and over again. The same old stats the same I hate Melo everyday even though he is the best thing to happen for the knicks in years. I don't have a problem when someone is negative about Melo but when the same ol BS comes up and some one can have just post any old topic but you guys just can't wait to drag Melo into the conversation.
I get the point Mr. Sports Fan first. No wonder why you post like you do Mr. Sports fan first. You are drunk with hate.

This is one of the biggest loads of bulls*it I have ever read on here. You are the same guy who has been here saying you are rooting for Melo to break the bank and get as much money as he can on his next contract with us, knowing full well that can cripple our chances of adding a 2nd or 3rd top tier guy to help the KNICKS win a championship.

You are the one who isn't a true Knicks fan. You are supposed root for the name on the front of the jersey, not on the back. You are a Melo fan far before you are a Knicks fan.

you might find the ignore function useful. that way the only time you have to endure posts of this kind is when they are quoted by others. sincere and friendly advice

Thanks man, I definitely will have to use that.

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

why do you guys equate carrying a team to shooting? other guys are capable, are you telling me, that felton isn't capable of 2 more PPG? spread the ball, share the ball, these guys are capable or scoring in a team oriented offense.... tell me, what happened when carmelo missed games? did the knicks average 50ppg? during that period? no, they still scored, collectively they did it..

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

Maybe it would actually be a good idea for the team to have good ball movement and have all those other players more involved. Good passing is the best way to create good shots.

and if the guys your passing it to can't hit shots? Then you lose trust in them, right?

carmelo isn't hitting shots at a higher rate, you do understand that right? he is just taking a lot more of them... carmelo is not carrying or saving the knicks.. IMO he is doing more harm to their long term chances of actually trying to win a ring... he doesn't pass, defend, and he isn't efficient scoring the ball... The knicks are not loaded with talent, that is true, but lets stop pretending that no one can hit a shot if they are allowed to play in their comfort zone and not have to wait for scraps..

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..

only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)

why would his shots go up? I don't think he would change the way he plays.... the pacers don't have a bunch of scorers on that team, they are the product of good defense, and good team play on offense.... their best player sets the example..

because like Melo, he'd have to carry this squad too. Who else is there to really step up? JR? Shump? Felton? You can't rely on these guys to carry you offensively. JR can do it in spurts for a few games but, is anyone really ready to rely on JR to be that consistent 2nd option again this season?

Maybe it would actually be a good idea for the team to have good ball movement and have all those other players more involved. Good passing is the best way to create good shots.

and if the guys your passing it to can't hit shots? Then you lose trust in them, right?

carmelo isn't hitting shots at a higher rate, you do understand that right? he is just taking a lot more of them... carmelo is not carrying or saving the knicks.. IMO he is doing more harm to their long term chances of actually trying to win a ring... he doesn't pass, defend, and he isn't efficient scoring the ball... The knicks are not loaded with talent, that is true, but lets stop pretending that no one can hit a shot if they are allowed to play in their comfort zone and not have to wait for scraps..

"wait for scraps" LOL. you have a way with words.

but the eye test and the numbers back it up.

usage rate 35.6 then 38.0 in the playoffs
assist rate 14.1 then 9.3 in the playoffs
ts% 56% then 49.7% in the playoffs
3.1 fouls then 3.8 fouls in the playoffs-- many of them dumb offensive and defensive fouls
2.6 assists and 2.6 turnovers in the regular season
1.6 assists and 2.6 turnovers in the playoffs
offensive rebounds and blocks went down from regular season to playoffs too.

great players, max money players, are expected to elevate their games in the big boy season, not regress. all his numbers across the board went down, not up-- except his usage of course.

but yeah the teammates can't be trusted, they didn't step up, and melo did his job, stepped up, and carried the team.