knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

I agree. Pierce will be in the HOF but he's not so great that I feel any "admiration" for him as a fan of a rival team. He's not the caliber of player you tell your grandkids about...

Dagger wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

I agree. Pierce will be in the HOF but he's not so great that I feel any "admiration" for him as a fan of a rival team. He's not the caliber of player you tell your grandkids about...

Being a hall-of-famer means you have the talent that about 1 in a hundred million humans have. How can you say "not so great"?

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"

Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.

The analogy doesnt fit.

would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?

You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"

Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.

The analogy doesnt fit.

would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?

You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.

and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"

Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.

The analogy doesnt fit.

would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?

You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.

And it would be disingenius to do so.

and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.

baseball etiquette, such as it is, doesn't really allow for "dissing" another player openly. the nba often revels in trash talking.

maybe you would care to list some notable incidents where baseball players are dissing each other.

until then the introduction of "dissing" from pierce and being "professional" from jeter is a false and irrelevant comparison.

nobody is talking about character here. we are only talking about what the player does on the court or field.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"

Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.

The analogy doesnt fit.

would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?

You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.

And it would be disingenius to do so.

and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.

baseball etiquette, such as it is, doesn't really allow for "dissing" another player openly. the nba often revels in trash talking.

maybe you would care to list some notable incidents where baseball players are dissing each other.

until then the introduction of "dissing" from pierce and being "professional" from jeter is a false and irrelevant comparison.

nobody is talking about character here. we are only talking about what the player does on the court or field.

Rollins said he might have bunted in his first plate appearance to try to up his batting average, but he would not have exited the game afterward in order to try to win a batting title in the finale, as Reyes did.

"I would have played the whole game," Rollins said, as quoted by the Post. "I'm like, 'Hey, I fought this hard to be in this position and I'm going to see it through to the end.' My personality, I'm going to ride it out. I worked this hard to be this good and put up these numbers, I would like to see it all the way to the end. I don't think it's lack of confidence with Jose Reyes, but that is the way he wanted to do it. For what reason, I don't know. It could have been outside influences. His agent may have told him, 'If you get up there, if you get a hit your first AB, you come out.' "

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/35666/rollins-disses-reyes

remember this quote from a-rod?

“Jeter's been blessed with great talent around him. He's never had to lead. He can just go and play and have fun. And he hits second—that's totally different than third and fourth in a lineup. You go into New York, you wanna stop Bernie and O'Neill. You never say, 'Don't let Derek beat you. He's never your concern.”

that quote was made to esquire magazine.

Or perhaps a video will do....

I also think it safe that a sport where the bench is allowed to fight definitely talks trash and diss each other.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.

I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.

Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.

Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.

But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.

edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.

Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.

Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.

the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.

yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.

how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.

Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.

Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.

Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.

You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"

Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.

The analogy doesnt fit.

would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?

You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.

And it would be disingenius to do so.

and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.

They are analogous in terms of HOFers having a down year but not analogous in terms of how they handle the media. If I say that my stapler is the same as my car, it doesn't imply that I can drive my stapler to work. Given how prone people are to misinterpreting analogies they don't like, I probably should have realized how much time I'd end up wasting explaining the point before hand.

And before people play "gotcha," let me clarify that it also doesn't imply that I can staple papers together with my car

CrushAlot wrote:

all this shows me is that any knucklehead with a camera on his computer can upload his subjective hating gobbledy-gook garbage just like you can.

paul pierce is an nba finals mvp. no amount of his own antics or hating by knuckleheads is going to change that.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

all this shows me is that any knucklehead with a camera on his computer can upload his subjective hating gobbledy-gook garbage just like you can.

paul pierce is an nba finals mvp. no amount of his own antics or hating by knuckleheads is going to change that.