DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

it doesn't matter whether he would take it or not, that is what Walsh should have done and if Amare refused, he should have gone to a plan B. You don't pay new tire prices for retreads.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

it doesn't matter whether he would take it or not, that is what Walsh should have done and if Amare refused, he should have gone to a plan B. You don't pay new tire prices for retreads.

Hey, im not arguing with you about the signing but Amare was likely plan b or C as Lebron/Bosh went to Miami.

Your assuming this was all on Walsh.

In a way if we just say "Knicks should have not signed Amare" then we not having this discussion. Venting on Layden, Grunfeld, Isiah, Donnie, etc........its the knicks. Its how things are done. You make it sound like "If Layden didn't sign H20....".

the reality is, if Layden didn't, someone else as kNick GM would have. If DOnnie don't sign Amare, most likely another man named Knick GM would have.......

Thats my point, the names change but the insanity continues.

Thus, "Organizational failure" is the one constant. We burn thru coaches and GM's far more than most franchises!!

So if that is the case, why is blame even significant? Would anyone else been better?

Let's wax romantically about 23 and 32 win seasons, back before starphucquing erased all that fun and potenshull. Let's follow Bermanbury logic and dream about what could have been, what should have been...where we traded up and got Kevin Durant for Wilson Chandler, and the next year where we traded Gallo for Westbrook and Love, and then it all gelled perfectly in 2010, when Lebron came riding into town...

Oh, that stupid Donnie Walsh! Couldn't he pull off a few simple draft day moves???

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

it doesn't matter whether he would take it or not, that is what Walsh should have done and if Amare refused, he should have gone to a plan B. You don't pay new tire prices for retreads.

Hey, im not arguing with you about the signing but Amare was likely plan b or C as Lebron/Bosh went to Miami.

Your assuming this was all on Walsh.

In a way if we just say "Knicks should have not signed Amare" then we not having this discussion. Venting on Layden, Grunfeld, Isiah, Donnie, etc........its the knicks. Its how things are done. You make it sound like "If Layden didn't sign H20....".

the reality is, if Layden didn't, someone else as kNick GM would have. If DOnnie don't sign Amare, most likely another man named Knick GM would have.......

Thats my point, the names change but the insanity continues.

Thus, "Organizational failure" is the one constant. We burn thru coaches and GM's far more than most franchises!!

So if that is the case, why is blame even significant? Would anyone else been better?

I did, many times. Always felt he'd break down...surprised he lasted as long as he did.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

And you think Amare would have signed that deal? He had a three or 4 year deal with PHX.

Whose money is it? Donnies?

I would credit Dolan for taking the risk if we can can get a good one to work out! Dyce, Eddy, Marbles, Amare!!!

I can't believe some of think the GM has this much power!!!!

Layden resigned H20 because he was honoring a deal! Layden don't hand out 100mm contracts himself!!!!

Since the GM's and coach's we sign have gag orders and don't talk we really have no idea how things work but if we assume there is a logical process and one similar to other teams, then the owner has influence on decisions and the final say!!!

GM's are usually the talking head for the franchise. Usually. Cube speaks more than Donnie Nelson and appears to be very active in the personal decisions.

Donnie ommitting incentives on Amare's contract? Do we really know this was not attempted? If you have half a brain you think donnie don't tell Dolan why PHX won't go long on the kid, that there is not insurance available to cover the loss, and its possible his contract is untradable for a long time?

Like I said, look at Donnies history in Indy and the knicks history. Indy does not have a history of these types of deals.

Donnies worst mistake was likely Austin Croshere:

Croshere was the 12th pick of the 1997 NBA Draft, selected by the Indiana Pacers.

A 6'10", hard-nosed player who can play the power forward and small forward positions, Croshere has shot 33.9% from three-point range over the course of his ten-year career. In the 1999–2000 NBA season, he had peaked at just the right time as he helped the Pacers advance to the 2000 NBA Finals, marking the Pacers' first Finals appearance since the ABA-NBA merger.

He was rewarded for his performance in the regular season and particularly the playoffs with a hefty contract, which the Pacers soon learned to regret as lamentably, Austin never fully lived up to the promise he had shown. In fairness to him, Pacers coach Isiah Thomas seldom used him during the three seasons he coached the team. Croshere played 49 games in 2002-03, averaging a career-low 12.9 minutes per game that season as he fell out of the rotation.

Croshere became an important backup again during the Rick Carlisle years, and was a key contributor against the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

All teams make mistakes. Knicks inpatience would have gotten him out of town but either took a worse contract in return or gave up an asset to intice a team to take his contract. Its our history regardless of the GM.

We burn money. Its Dolans to do what he wants.

it doesn't matter whether he would take it or not, that is what Walsh should have done and if Amare refused, he should have gone to a plan B. You don't pay new tire prices for retreads.

Hey, im not arguing with you about the signing but Amare was likely plan b or C as Lebron/Bosh went to Miami.

Your assuming this was all on Walsh.

In a way if we just say "Knicks should have not signed Amare" then we not having this discussion. Venting on Layden, Grunfeld, Isiah, Donnie, etc........its the knicks. Its how things are done. You make it sound like "If Layden didn't sign H20....".

the reality is, if Layden didn't, someone else as kNick GM would have. If DOnnie don't sign Amare, most likely another man named Knick GM would have.......

Thats my point, the names change but the insanity continues.

Thus, "Organizational failure" is the one constant. We burn thru coaches and GM's far more than most franchises!!

So if that is the case, why is blame even significant? Would anyone else been better?

I did, many times. Always felt he'd break down...surprised he lasted as long as he did.

The whole medical thing was out there for all to see. It was well known Suns were not going more than three years guaranteed, 4th based on incentives. Knicks gave 5 years full. Like I said, nothing hin Donnies history has him taking that kind of approach and no GM can do that without the owners blessing.

Dolan has a history of taking on star players that are tainted in some fashion. Dolan is the knicks........

blkexec wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:Komives and Bellamy for Debuschure??????

We paid too much!!!!!

Or did we?

you are just cranky cause I called out Donnie and not Melo. you aren't objective at all. you have never called out Donnie for signing Amare but gave Isaiah a lot of grief for Marbury. towel bury right? yah, that didn't get old. but when I blame Donnie for Amare, that's old news and all you have is wise cracks. nothing to add but garbage jokes. Amare still plays for nyc. I mean, didn't play but still gets paid cause of Donnie.

Amare was signed just to get other big tickets to come to NY. He was the only thing available. And he played great for us before his body give up.

You mean before Melo came over. Stress adds to injuries as well. And Melo elevated that stress with his ISO ball, which put Amari on an island since he's a system guy. Trying to make them play together was the biggest waste of time. If I was the GM at the time, it was clear they did not compliment each other....I would've traded Amari before he got injured. But he's here now and lets hope he proves me and others wrong.

Nalod wrote:Donnie was bought in to clear the cap and make a run at Lebron.

Owner sets the directive. Thats my belief. Whole world knows we clearing cap so the price goes up.

Whats with the whole "Blame" thing anyway?

Donnie gone a while now, and I don't see any reason to bring it up for the 50th time.

I can ignore it, but what fun would that be.

Y'all remember my stance son things? Im flattered!

BTW, don't forget this when evaluating the Pacers:
I

n July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.

Go back and remember the Isiah years and look up the records. It was pretty bad. Shyt on Walsh all you want but he is the guy that had to clean up the stench.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

what would you have had walsh do instead? stoudemire says "no i won't agree to those terms i want a max guaranteed contract" and so he passes on stoudemire and does what instead in summer 2010?

to me it's dolan's money at stake at that point and really nothing else. therefore it is what occurs SUBSEQUENT to that investment, poor or not, that counts.

The entire plan was wrong. If you want to dissect what Walsh should have done you start with the coach he hired and his first draft and move on from there. He was desperate and had to come away with something after fleecing the franchise of talent and picks. When you ask, What would you have done? My answer would be a lot of things differently so that I wasn't in that situation.

i don't see the fleecing that you see i see clearing out isiah thomas's garbage in as short a time as possible. kind of like hercules's first labor of clearing out the augean stables.

then i would have hired mark jackson.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

what would you have had walsh do instead? stoudemire says "no i won't agree to those terms i want a max guaranteed contract" and so he passes on stoudemire and does what instead in summer 2010?

to me it's dolan's money at stake at that point and really nothing else. therefore it is what occurs SUBSEQUENT to that investment, poor or not, that counts.

The entire plan was wrong. If you want to dissect what Walsh should have done you start with the coach he hired and his first draft and move on from there. He was desperate and had to come away with something after fleecing the franchise of talent and picks. When you ask, What would you have done? My answer would be a lot of things differently so that I wasn't in that situation.

i don't see the fleecing that you see i see clearing out isiah thomas's garbage in as short a time as possible. kind of like hercules's first labor of clearing out the augean stables.

then i would have hired mark jackson.

I agree about Jackson. I think the coaching hire influenced the draft picks taken. I think the McGrady trade was horrific and I think the way D'Antoni handled the 09'-10 season and the roster should have cost him his job.

Mark Jackson and Dolan... LOL
Mark is not an idiot to work for Dolan and MSG.
He is a guy with integrity and will not be anyonce bitch.
Walsh was there because his heart was hurting about what a joke Dolan/IT and their chronies made out of the game of basketball in NY.
At his age and his carier track he does not give a sht of what anyone thinks.
And D'Antony was there because of his ego. He regeret it very fast and was trying to get out desperately... but Dolan refused to see the signals.