dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Some where along the line we dropped the ball again. When we trade a player or two we have to give up our draft picks. When another team trade their players they get draft picks. I took a good look at what the Nets did this summer and they cleaned our clocks. Here in New York is the Mecca of basketball and we can't seem to put a championship team on the floor. We over pay for everything we do. How could we have been so stupid to give Amare a deal like that knowing the shape his knees were in. Now we are screwed. Melo will opt out at the end of the season and if he grabs a max money with out trying to do the LeBron thing as to giving something back to help the team as him being the leader then I say let him go and we do what Boston is doing but Na we are too stupid to do that. I believe that New Yorkers are starting to say If you can't win with the team you love, then love the team across the bridge. The Knicks really have done nothing this season to really get better. We got Metta world peace at the end of his career. What happened to Chris Paul?? oh we got Tyson Chandler and over paid for a center who can't score who can't make a jump shot. I have not heard a word from the team leader Melo. Why wasn't he on the phones calling players to come to New York. If we had the players to trade for Rondo Boston still would not do business with us. They are rebuilding and they decided to give the Nets their top player to kick our ass until they are ready to do it again in a few years. I now believe that last season was it for us. In order for us to have a chance we must develop young players which the Knicks don't believe in. If the Nets kick ass this season the Knicks will become secondary and you will start seeing Knicks heads fans saying oh what the hell ain't no use the Knick ain't never gonna contend so let's go Nets. Dolan don't have a free pass anymore in New York. People are sick and tired of their bone headed moves and not being able to move at all and that's where we are at now. Come on a starting line up with Felton and Prigs and Shump?? or Bargs?? Who is that gonna beat. All Woody wants to do is shoot 3 pointers all day kiss JR's butt and we are not a good 3 point shooting team anyway.We just may be witnessing the Fall of the New York Knicks as the most popular team in the city. Hey I'm a New York Knicks die hard fan. But when I see a half ass team like this and we are pretending that we have something?? Come on now! Let's be real. We only have one big man 7 footer and we are running around chasing point guards instead of finding a big 7 footer who can shoot and defend. It's a big joke man. a big big joke.

it's really okay to bitch and moan about the knicks but at least get your facts straight; no need to post a misleading or incomplete account of what brought the knicks to this place.

yea, I see him placing blame on amare, but again, he ignores the series of events that got us here...

foosballnick wrote:Nets gave up a boatload of first round picks to get three guys at the end of their careers. They are essentially following the old Knicks blueprint of giving away the future for a one, maybe two year run and being outlandishly over the cap. As far as fans crossing over to Brooklyn.....there will always be bandwagon fans. Let's see how they look in 3 years before we proclaim them Kings of NY.

Celtics IMO are smartly reloading. They dumped guys who helped them in the past, but would not help them in the future.....for some potentially valuable first rounders.

Knicks unfortunately are cap hamstrung mainly due to Amare's knee and back. He seems like a good guy, but that 20 million sitting on IR really hurts. If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year. People here are too hard on Tyson IMO. He was brought in to be a defensive minded big and for veteran leadership, to play along side offensive minded Amare and Melo. Was he paid too highly, sure. But the Knicks smartly tied his contract length to most of the rest of the roster with a reload targeted for 15. Will they win a ring this year? Probably not, but most already knew that as long as LBJ has an effective Wade and Bosh beside him.

I want to see us in the ECF this year. Many focus on the Knicks offense. IMO it will be needed improvement on D that can get us there. My hope is with the defensive minded support that has been retained and will hopefully gel and stay healthy. Yes we are getting Metta on his decline, but Shump should be better this year as ACL injuries generally take over 12 months to return to full capacity. Kmart is still very effective. Tyson As far as remaining roster spots, we still need another big and PG to fill out the roster.

that is not true..

gunsnewing wrote:Nyets core is young unlike the lakers and they don't have Dantoni getting in the way of pau and Dwight

I am trying to figure out who you think the young Nets core is...?

DurzoBlint wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Deron brook and joe. They didn't have any career threatening injuries. I hope people realize that they are much better equipped to sustain injuries than th Knicks are. An injury to Melo or Tyson and the Knicks are a lottery team without lottery picks.

I'm gonna step back now because there is no point in arguing with Knicks fans on a Knicks forum

Deron of the bad ankles and Brook of the bad foot??

Not to mention KG and PP being old as the dirt.

Too many people overrating the Nets for their past accomplishments...

I didn't/don't understand the hype behind the current Natz. Paul and Kevin were running on fumes and Doc was constantly fighting to get Garnette to become more offensive minded which, never happened. Why people seem to think they will be both rejuvenated and play like they did 10years go is beyond me.

I still say the Knicks are the better team and finish with the better record. Another division win is in the works.

kevin and pierce should not be playing those many minutes.. they won't have to now.. believe me, they will be well rested and dangerous.. playing on the nets...

Why people seem to think they will be both rejuvenated and play like they did 10years go is beyond me.

why do people think Barnani will become this stud on the knicks when he never has... i will bet on an aging pierce and garnett to actually perform at a high level with rested legs..

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Nyets core is young unlike the lakers and they don't have Dantoni getting in the way of pau and Dwight

I am trying to figure out who you think the young Nets core is...?

Deron Lopez and Johnson. They added kg pierce terry AK47 & Anderson to that core. Lakers added Dwight to Kobe pau Nash and metta and then hired Dantoni. I don't see the Nyets tanking like LA did. Nyets were a good team last year with that same core. They lacked leadership and toughness which is exactly what those guys will bring. Nyets really hit it out of the park this offseason while we are stuck somewhere in the middle of the east with no shot at advancing past the 2nd rd until 2015+

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:29 & 32. Both just celebrated birthdays in june. Brook is 25

I thought Deron was younger and Johnson older so I guess that evens out in my mind. I take it Lopez in near 27. That's not a young core but it's ok age wise. There team will be interesting. I am not a believer only because Pierce has looked awful the last two playoffs and will be older plus Garnett guarding 4s maybe a problem.

gunsnewing wrote:Yet there guys played in a lot more games last year than our core guys

and yet they still couldn't win as many games as the Knicks.

Boston struggled mightily throughout the first half of their season, and that is when Rondo played. 20-23.

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yet there guys played in a lot more games last year than our core guys

and yet they still couldn't win as many games as the Knicks.

Boston struggled mightily throughout the first half of their season, and that is when Rondo played. 20-23.

And now the best of both teams converged. We will see who is better after the season. I will readily admit I was wrong although I highly doubt it